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Byleth from Fire Emblem: Three Houses announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (launches on January 28th for $5.99) [SEE STAFF POST]
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It's going to vary greatly depending on how you pace yourself in the monastery activities. And if you're playing on Normal, you can grind side-battles infinitely.
Personally, I just watched that route on YouTube, as I didn't really find it a route I wanted to personally do. That's always an option for routes you're not interested in.
Wait, Normal has grinding? Huh.
It's kind of wild that such a viewpoint as "I wish female Byleth was the default" or "Hero should've had a female alt costume" is such a controversial opinion even on a site as progressive as this one. People really get mad when someone criticizes Sakurai.
Yeah, it's one of those games that'll absorb much of your time before you notice.
I feel I should explain my position instead of just posting and dropping out.
The lack of representation in Smash, and the video game industry as a whole is a bad thing. We all should be able to agree on this. Smash should have more women and more people of color.
I don't necessarily think getting up and arms on Era against other members and industry individuals would be the best way to fix this seeing as they have nothing to do with Smash, but I can understand and empathize with the frustration. I don't think Sakurai is sexist just because we didn't get one of the two or so Female Dragon Quest characters as an alt, nor do I think that characters need to be female front and center for them to necessarily "count" because that's only about the marketing and not the actual core product. There's a lot more that goes into DLC than any of us are privy to.
However, if you do think characters like F!Byleth are not enough you're free to do so. I obviously cannot stop you.
The lack of representation in Smash, and the video game industry as a whole is a bad thing. We all should be able to agree on this. Smash should have more women and more people of color.
I don't necessarily think getting up and arms on Era against other members and industry individuals would be the best way to fix this seeing as they have nothing to do with Smash, but I can understand and empathize with the frustration. I don't think Sakurai is sexist just because we didn't get one of the two or so Female Dragon Quest characters as an alt, nor do I think that characters need to be female front and center for them to necessarily "count" because that's only about the marketing and not the actual core product. There's a lot more that goes into DLC than any of us are privy to.
However, if you do think characters like F!Byleth are not enough you're free to do so. I obviously cannot stop you.
Thanks everyone.
Yeah, I know this game probably going to suck most of my free time for awhile. I just need to wait and see if it will get on sales so I can pick it up.
Male robin is more popular, where did you get the impression FRobin is more popular?
I don't think anyone was getting up in arms over industry individuals... Imran's behavior wasn't exactly what I expect out of a good conversation, so I grew weary when I see him complain about how toxic the conversation was, when he was perhaps the biggest issue with the conversation due to how dismissive and condescending he behaved.
DM me what you think as you play.
They added Hero, which was under very strict limitations by Square Enix, a female bird and a male bear, female/male Byleth, Joker and Terry. They could have done a better job ignoring women. Yes, there are great female characters which should be totally added, but them being ignored is a stretch born in wishful thinking.
I wish that female Byleth was the default as well. Do we have any info on which one was more popular?
It's frustrating that I brought this up as a thing I thought sucked and now the narrative is being twisted into something else.
I apologize for offending. I did not intend to.
After the shitshow with the Grinch leak and how the community treated insiders like him, I'm not going to begrudge him for assuming the worst about this fanbase.
Yep, there are always battles you can take part in that cost zero action points, so you can battle as often as you want.
I'm not sure what you're getting with regard to this conversation.
This would line up with conventions, so it's probably accurate. With this in mind, I will be shocked if 2B isn't added.
Sure is interesting.
I can understand his anxiety, it was incredibly rude and shitty of people to harass Imran like that. However, that understanding doesn't mean I have to be okay with him assuming the worst about people, making claims of what they're saying that they never did. It's his responsibility to engage in good faith.
You have to be pretty bad at FE, or its your first game in the series, to need to grind to progress on Normal. The game is pretty darn forgiving and easy on Normal and even on Hard. This is not a tough game. No gridning required at all.
And this is a fair and reasonable opinion, which you're free to have. I disagree, (though I wouldn't call Sakurai sexist either, just negligent) but that's my perspective. I think it's easy to say things like alts "count" when your gender is always the one that get's preferential treatment on everything.
I see. I played on Hard, and just assumed that grinding wasn't a thing.
How Byleth is presented is weird. On the site, they're the only avatar character to feature both male/female on their icon because they just happen to have different names. But on the big portrait and presumably the CSS it's just gonna be Male Byleth.
Then there's the fact that FE is a nice 10% of Smash's massive roster and Lucina is the sole lady.
Then there's the fact that FE is a nice 10% of Smash's massive roster and Lucina is the sole lady.
Yeah this has generally been the case (with the exception of Robin, Lucina and a few others - and even then that's debatable).
The gender split situation here is probably trickier to solve on a whole because of the industries choices to have mostly male leads, not so much Smash Bros.
Although recently I'm noticing a lot of new mascots/IPs have opted for male and female options, which seems to be reflected in Ultimate when looking at Corrin, Inkling and Byleth. Could still be better though.
I'm hoping to see Lara Croft make it in for the next Fighters Pass (as well as Rayman). Because I see her as another massive gaming icon alongside the picks in Smash.
I would have loved to see Celica and/or Anna. Celica as Robin Echo, Anna as an original character.
yeah I played on Hard too, never "grinded" or did missions to extra level up. With the rewind feature, the game is super forgiving. I love it.
On Normal you could do that "side missions" instead of exploring the school as many times as you want to get EXP and stuff. On Hard once you completed them, you couldn't redo them.
The secret sexist thing was out of line and a misinterpretation of what Neoxon was saying. I do not believe that Sakurai not saying he fought for F!Hero IV is evidence that he didn't, however, nor do I think it's reasonable to assume that.
I had more trouble than you, but then again, I'm bad at strategy games, haha.
To be fair: I'm of the opinion that alts count because I never play as the male versions of Robin or Corrin (or Inkling, but the situation's obviously different there). Those characters might as well not exist to me.
That said, it would be nice if the female versions were front and center in the marketing more often. At the very least both versions should be on the banner and have gotten Amiibos.
FByleth should be the default if only because MByleth's design is the blandest out of all the FE protagonists already in the game. Even his action poses are stiff as fuck.
Oh? I liked her more than the Male version. That's who I will be using in Smash.
I agree. He's generic. They could've done a super cool Astral Chain character with a Male/Female variant.
I apologize if I sound dismissive, but that's kind of what I'm getting at here. For L Thammy, for Hailinel, for DrArchon, for Imran, for Regulus Tera, even for Neoxon, this is all an academic discussion and we don't have any actual skin in the game. So I think we should be aware of that and try to make some effort to listen.
Animal Crossing having Dude Villager as default always rubbed me the wrong way somewhat; AC is a series that appeals to women more than men, and the Lady Villagers tend to be more prominent in marketing. Honestly, I'd like it if Sakurai started adding more alts; add Sofia and Ferdrick, and add the New Horizons female Villager (whose design, FYI, is the best).
I don't think she was taken aback by your comment or anything.
I don't think she was taken aback by your comment or anything.
I agree. And I think for certain characters like Corrin, that's where most players' preferences lie. Hence the frustration with the marketing!
I just wish they made the lord alts be kind like the koopalings and be different models. Byleth can pass as Dimitri and Edelgard but as Claude it feels wrong
The problem with Sofia is that not even Square Enix uses her on the marketing materials anymore. Outside from DQIV rereleases, the one appearing in all the crossover material is always Solo.
I don't think "sexism" is an emotionally charged, hostile term so much as it is a descriptive one. Sexist behavior can be passive and unconscious. It can be major or minor.
There is not a single standalone female DLC character. Kazooie is a weapon so she hardly counts*, and female Byleth is still packaged with a male version.
I take issue with shifting potential blame away from Sakurai, as if this one damning issue must have been out of his hands. There is no more evidence that it was 100% on Square than there is that he was negligent himself.
*That said, I'm happy to have her and I think Banjo & Kazooie would have been the perfect midway point between male and female characters.
You've been cool. I was only seconding what you said.
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It's been a while since I played the game but I'm pretty sure the games lore prevents all the lords from even using Byleth's sword.
Male robin is more popular with FE fans. In fact FRobin popularity only came close to his because of Smash.
FCorrin is more popular but I don't care about the character. FByleth might be more popular but they should keep MByleth as default to not reward the female version design.
It's all good, & as I said, the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence regarding discussions for F!Erdrick &/or Sophia (I.E. I admit my fault there).
Technically anyone can use it but it just becomes a normal sword. Also Robin can't use Nosferatu as a grandmaster in Awakening.
Lets be sincere, Smash isnt very truthful to FE lore to begin with. Ike should have sword beams and be very fast, Chrom should be the slow one. And it isnt like Byleth can wield all 4 weapons at the same time in the lore, the maximum he can have is 3 in Azure Moon
The female version is still in Smash though. Female Byleth being the default wouldn't "reward" the design any more than it's already been "rewarded." It would just make her feel like more of a female rep in a DLC pass that's been exclusively male.
That's really sad, Sofia's way better. :T Her hair is cool.
The official Japanese poll had Lucina and Robin as they #1 and #2 favorite female characters.
The Knights of Iris art book also had multiple polls in it which had F!Robin as #3 among female characters compared to #5 for M!Robin. This book also had F!Robin x Chrom as the overall favorite romantic pairing whereas M!Robin x Lucina was at the bottom of the list.
Also just being aware of the FE:A fanbase at the time is firsthand evidence enough, IMO. We've been talking about this since Smash 4.
Unless there's been a massive shift since 2013-2016 I have never seen anything to indicate M!Robin was ever or is now more popular than his female counterpart.
Unless these were all mistranslations that were debunked or unless you have alternate data to suggest otherwise I am not aware of anything that places M!Robin over F!Robin in any context.
F!Robin's popularity compared to her male counterpart also surely contributes to how well F!Corrin was embraced. Byleth was the first of the three where the female character was significantly less popular than their male counterpart.
Didn't sakurai say that they only had the resources to afford 4 versions with Hero? I seem to remember reading that somewhere in an interview
I wouldn't be surprised if we would have gotten to see F. Erdrick and Sofia if they had the chance to do 8 different versions for hero
Especially V is apparently out due to weapon choice, VI and VII are younger and smaller so they don't fit the frame either, and IX and X have no set protagonist due to their structures
I think with 8 we could see it like this
DQ1 Erdrick
DQ1 F. Erdrick
DQ3 Erdrick
DQ3 F. Erdrick
DQ4 Solo
DQ4 Sofia
DQ8 Eight
DQ11 Eleven
It just seems to be some sort of mandate by Square Enix itself, more specifically Horii. This is why I cannot fault Sakurai for not including Sofia, it's a pattern that precedes him.
Female Erdrick doesn't ever appear in anything, not even paraphernalia.