Cadence of Hyrule - Crypt of the NecroDancer Featuring The Legend of Zelda announced (spring 2019)

Vern

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They reuse Zelda enemies all the time, though. Last game Gleeok was in was Phantom Hourglass and that boss was great.


I look forward to more bosses like:

Digdogger

+ Didgeridoo


= Didgeridogger

You guys are amazing at remembering shit. Phantom Hourglass was what...12 years ago or something? Pretty sure I played it in college.
 

Davey Cakes

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Damn, this looks great. I haven't even gotten far in CotND (because I suck) but the game is quite fun with its rhythm-based formula. That seems like such s fine thing to bring to Zelda. It's relatively fresh and it comes straight from left field. Fantastic.
 

Roy

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I fucking love Crypt of the Necrodancer, its DLC is the only time I’ve ever bought DLC at full price, sight unseen. I still play every day, my favourite rogue by a massive margin!

I may have to get a Nintendo for this
 

thepotatoman

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It's really weird to see a big nintendo franchise in such a difficult and punishing genre. I wonder if there'll be any difficulty adjustments made for zelda fans that might not be as big into roguelikes..
 

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I just rewatched the trailer, and while i never finished Necrodancer, im buying this game day 1
 

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It's really weird to see a big nintendo franchise in such a difficult and punishing genre. I wonder if there'll be any difficulty adjustments made for zelda fans that might not be as big into roguelikes..
Crypt isn't especially hard for the most part. I'd say only a couple of bosses really require major effort, and the last area.

Though I'm guessing this'll be adjusted to be less rougelike(or not at all), probably add proper levels and progression rather than random levels and death resets.

The major fun of Crypt comes from the rhythm gameplay rather than the roguelike elements anyway
 
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Been playing Crypt and the game is a lot of fun, but trying to get more than five diamonds (let alone 12) for coin multiplier or another heart upgrade is not easy. Still on Area 1, lol, bosses wreck me before I can figure out their pattern. Enjoying it a lot regardless, don’t think I’ll be able to complete the game before the Zelda one comes out, but at least I’ll have practiced for it.
 

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Been playing Crypt and the game is a lot of fun, but trying to get more than five diamonds (let alone 12) for coin multiplier or another heart upgrade is not easy. Still on Area 1, lol, bosses wreck me before I can figure out their pattern. Enjoying it a lot regardless, don’t think I’ll be able to complete the game before the Zelda one comes out, but at least I’ll have practiced for it.
You get increasingly higher amounts of diamonds with every area(i.e 2 instead of 1 in Area 2, 3 instead of 1 in Area 3)

The big thing is finding a weapon you like with good range so you don't have to be adjacent to an enemy. The Bows, Broadsword come to mind
 
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You get increasingly higher amounts of diamonds with every area(i.e 2 instead of 1 in Area 2, 3 instead of 1 in Area 3)

The big thing is finding a weapon you like with good range so you don't have to be adjacent to an enemy. The Bows, Broadsword come to mind
Yeah the range weapons are great, the whip with miner hat for no penalty on digging is crazy. I have a lot of good items in chests I can get, it’s just I die right before the boss because of a stupid error in movement or I get to the boss and the enemies surround me preventing me from doing much of anything.
 
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I wonder if it’ll be shadow dropped at e3.
New Link’s Awakening Trailer “and you can play Cadence of Hyrule later today”
 
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I should get necrodancer and give it another shot. I love everything about it in theory, but couldn't quite get into the groove with the demo. It seems so hard to keep with the beat while making quick decisions. Maybe it's something that clicks eventually, though.
 

toythatkills

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I should get necrodancer and give it another shot. I love everything about it in theory, but couldn't quite get into the groove with the demo. It seems so hard to keep with the beat while making quick decisions. Maybe it's something that clicks eventually, though.
It's probably worth practicing with the character who doesn't need to move in time with the music. Get used to the enemy patterns and mechanics etc with a bit of thinking time then worry about the beat later.
 

SeeingeyeDug

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I should get necrodancer and give it another shot. I love everything about it in theory, but couldn't quite get into the groove with the demo. It seems so hard to keep with the beat while making quick decisions. Maybe it's something that clicks eventually, though.
Don’t be afraid to stop sometimes so you can think about your move. Keeping that multiplier by keeping the beat isn’t as important as staying alive.
 

Kandinsky

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I really hope the floor grid was turned off in the trailer, because I don't think I can play these games without one.

Most anticipated game for me so far.
 
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Anyone notice how the Lynel is basically a Red Dragon?

I wonder if it’ll be shadow dropped at e3.
New Link’s Awakening Trailer “and you can play Cadence of Hyrule later today”
Yes, would make a lot of sense for them to cover it on Treehouse.

Though I'm guessing this'll be adjusted to be less rougelike(or not at all), probably add proper levels and progression rather than random levels and death resets.

The major fun of Crypt comes from the rhythm gameplay rather than the roguelike elements anyway
The levels are still randomly generated, it says so on Nintendo's site. I don't think it's going to diverge that far from Crypt's gameplay.
Not sure if overworld areas are just the first level of each zone or what, but it says both the overworlds and dungeons are random.
 
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louris

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Has any full song been released since yesterday? I am aching to listen to that Tal Tal Heights full version, or to that tune playing before the trailer began.
 

WordAssassin

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Bought Necrodancer last night and played it for 30-40 minutes, only ever managed to get down to the third floor of the first level but oh my god the music, it's so good. I bought the soundtrack immediately.

So this is my first game in this genre, I think, and I have... no clue how it works lol. You go into the dungeon, but when you die, the only thing you take out with you are the diamonds? How do the power-ups/upgrades you buy in the lobby work? Do you lose everything when you turn the game off? I saw there was a "story mode" down at the bottom of the lobby, should I play through that or tackle heave level on its own?

I bought it on PS4 since it's on sale but I'm definitely gonna double dip on Switch, it's all I've been able to think about all morning lmao I can't freaking wait for the Zelda version.
 

Zero-ELEC

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So we have Gleeokenspiel and Electric Guitarmos Knights.

I can't wait for other classic Zelda bosses like "Bongos Bongos" and "Big Opoe"
 

Weltall Zero

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So this is my first game in this genre, I think, and I have... no clue how it works lol.
Well, I'm feeling like going into Necrodancer scholar mode (adjusts glasses). :)
Before we start, let me copypaste some crucial advice I gave a friend who's also started the game recently:

Super important Crypt of the Necrodancer tip, especially if you're noticing you're occassionally dropping bombs accidentally. The game was originally meant to be played with only four directional keys on PC so that it's compatible with dance mats, so all other commands (spells, throw dagger, items, etc.) could be performed by pressing two directions at once. They added button bindings as a convenience (and, well, to make it compatible with gamepads, because one of these commands was "up + down", which is considerably easier to do on a keyboard or dance mt than a stick or d-pad :D), but it seems they left some of the commands in the console versions for whatever reason. Particularly, the command to drop a bomb is "left+down", so if you press that accidentally, you'll drop one.

Fortunately, there's an option to disable these alternate bindings (and it's frankly mind-boggling they're not disabled by default). Just go to Options -> Rebind Controls and check "ignore multi-press combos", boom (or rather, "no more boom").

You go into the dungeon, but when you die, the only thing you take out with you are the diamonds?
Correct! And what's more, unspent diamonds are lost when you enter the dungeon again (the game warns you about this). This means you should probably buy the most expensive things you can afford. That said, don't worry about that too much because later levels drop diamonds in bundles of 2, 3 or 4. In fact, with the DLC, the fastest way to farm diamonds is to go into the fifth level, which for some reason is unlocked from the start and has 4-diamond bundles.

How do the power-ups/upgrades you buy in the lobby work?
For things like extra hears, they're permanent; that is, you will start every subsequent run with them.
For things like items and weapons, you aren't actually buying them; you're unlocking them so that they can appear on subsequent runs (there's also a janitor that lets you remove items you don't want to appear).

Do you lose everything when you turn the game off?
As long as you're in the lobby, you don't lose anything that you haven't already lost by returning to the lobby (either from level victory or death). Even unspent diamonds are saved, and will only be removed when you enter a new run.

If you're in the middle of a run, I'm guessing the run is aborted, although I've never done this.

I saw there was a "story mode" down at the bottom of the lobby, should I play through that or tackle heave level on its own?
Ignore this for the moment, that's a bit of an advanced mode. Story mode (and almost any other alternate mode that's not accessing the levels from the lobby) makes you go through all the levels in sequence, with the following modifications:
- Every items is unlocked (drops are not limited to what you've unlocked in the lobby).
- Upgrades are ignored (you always start the game with three hearts and 1x coin multiplier).
Story mode in particular makes you go through the first four levels with Cadence, then Melody, then Aria. The "story" you get from it is the same as you get by completing the levels on their own from the lobby.

I bought it on PS4 since it's on sale but I'm definitely gonna double dip on Switch, it's all I've been able to think about all morning lmao I can't freaking wait for the Zelda version.
*highfive*

A couple more tips. Characters in Necrodancer have wildly different difficulty in playing them (some like Aria and Coda are an absolute nightmare to play). The thing is Cadence, contrary to most roguelites (where the "default" character tends to be easier / more straightforward than the altered modes other characters provide), isn't actually the easiest character to play. If you find the game kicking your ass, I would recommend starting with one of these two characters:
- The Bard plays pretty much like Cadence but turns the game into a turn-based game, much like a classic roguelike: there's no beat movement, enemies instead only move when you do. This obviously makes the game much easier.
- Nocturna is a character added in the DLC that has her own story mode separate from the rest of the cast. She's considerably easier than Cadence, as she starts with a cutlass (has a lunge attack, can parry attacks) rather than a dagger, and can turn into a bat form which deals a whopping 4 damage per hit, is immune to traps, can see enemies in the entire level, and regenerates half a heart every five enemies you kill. The downside to bat form is that it can't dig or use equipment, and that turning back to human form costs half a heart. And the only downsides to Nocturna herself compared to Cadence is that these mechanics make her a bit less straightforward than Cadence, and that each floor will have a room with enemies from level 5, but these aren't particularly hard.

If you have any other question I'll be happy to help. :)
 
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Roy

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Well, I'm feeling like going into Necrodancer scholar mode (adjusts glasses). :)
Before we start, let me copypaste some crucial advice I gave a friend who's also started the game recently:

Super important Crypt of the Necrodancer tip, especially if you're noticing you're occassionally dropping bombs accidentally. The game was originally meant to be played with only four directional keys on PC so that it's compatible with dance mats, so all other commands (spells, throw dagger, items, etc.) could be performed by pressing two directions at once. They added button bindings as a convenience (and, well, to make it compatible with gamepads, because one of these commands was "up + down", which is considerably easier to do on a keyboard or dance mt than a stick or d-pad :D), but it seems they left some of the commands in the console versions for whatever reason. Particularly, the command to drop a bomb is "left+down", so if you press that accidentally, you'll drop one.

Fortunately, there's an option to disable these alternate bindings (and it's frankly mind-boggling they're not disabled by default). Just go to Options -> Rebind Controls and check "ignore multi-press combos", boom (or rather, "no more boom").



Correct! And what's more, unspent diamonds are lost when you enter the dungeon again (the game warns you about this). This means you should probably buy the most expensive things you can afford. That said, don't worry about that too much because later levels drop diamonds in bundles of 2, 3 or 4. In fact, with the DLC, the fastest way to farm diamonds is to go into the fifth level, which for some reason is unlocked from the start and has 4-diamond bundles.



For things like extra hears, they're permanent; that is, you will start every subsequent run with them.
For things like items and weapons, you aren't actually buying them; you're unlocking them so that they can appear on subsequent runs (there's also a janitor that lets you remove items you don't want to appear).



As long as you're in the lobby, you don't lose anything that you haven't already lost by returning to the lobby (either from level victory or death). Even unspent diamonds are saved, and will only be removed when you enter a new run.

If you're in the middle of a run, I'm guessing the run is aborted, although I've never done this.



Ignore this for the moment, that's a bit of an advanced mode. Story mode (and almost any other alternate mode that's not accessing the levels from the lobby) makes you go through all the levels in sequence, with the following modifications:
- Every items is unlocked (drops are not limited to what you've unlocked in the lobby).
- Upgrades are ignored (you always start the game with three hearts and 1x coin multiplier).
Story mode in particular makes you go through the first four levels with Cadence, then Melody, then Aria. The "story" you get from it is the same as you get by completing the levels on their own from the lobby.



*highfive*

A couple more tips. Characters in Necrodancer have wildly different difficulty in playing them (some like Aria and Coda are an absolute nightmare to play). The thing is Cadence, contrary to most roguelites (where the "default" character tends to be easier / more straightforward than the altered modes other characters provide), isn't actually the easiest character to play. If you find the game kicking your ass, I would recommend starting with one of these two characters:
- The Bard plays pretty much like Cadence but turns the game into a turn-based game, much like a classic roguelike: there's no beat movement, enemies instead only move when you do. This obviously makes the game much easier.
- Nocturna is a character added in the DLC that has her own story mode separate from the rest of the cast. She's considerably easier than Cadence, as she starts with a cutlass (has a lunge attack, can parry attacks) rather than a dagger, and can turn into a bat form which deals a whopping 4 damage per hit, is immune to traps, can see enemies in the entire level, and regenerates half a heart every five enemies you kill. The downside to bat form is that it can't dig or use equipment, and that turning back to human form costs half a heart. And the only downsides to Nocturna herself compared to Cadence is that these mechanics make her a bit less straightforward than Cadence, and that each floor will have a room with enemies from level 5, but these aren't particularly hard.

If you have any other question I'll be happy to help. :)
How many hours do you have in the game?
 

Weltall Zero

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How many hours do you have in the game?
That's an excellent question. I have 12 hours on Steam, but most of my playtime is on Vita, with AFAIK doesn't let one check that. I completed the game with Cadence and Melody, then hit the difficulty wall that is Aria and stopped.

Fun fact: while checking if I could see my played time on Vita, the game asked me to update for the Amplified content. I thought that would never come to Vita... which is why I rebought it on Switch. :P
 

El Crono

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This literally came out of nowhere and instantly became one of my most anticipated games. For those who are being pessimistic about Crypt of the NecroZeldancer (yes that's how I'm calling it): I don't think Nintendo would throw the Zelda franchise to just anyone. They clearly see something special in these devs. And if you played the original CotN you know what that is.
 

Roy

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That's an excellent question. I have 12 hours on Steam, but most of my playtime is on Vita, with AFAIK doesn't let one check that. I completed the game with Cadence and Melody, then hit the difficulty wall that is Aria and stopped.

Fun fact: while checking if I could see my played time on Vita, the game asked me to update for the Amplified content. I thought that would never come to Vita... which is why I rebought it on Switch. :P
At least you have a Switch, I’ll need to get one for this Zelda game!

Yeah the other characters can be really punishing and not really fun either.

My favourite mode was just doing the daily challenge but now since Amplified I love doing Nocturna on Hard Mode. It’s hectic but I like the challenge!
 

Machine Law

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Today I bought and played a bunch of Crypt of the NecroDancer. It's a really unique and fun roguelike, I see why Nintendo would be interested in doing a collaboration with them. I hope they keep doing this type of thing in the future. The music is also amazing, as expected from the original composer of Super Meat Boy.

One thing I noticed after playing for a few hours and then coming back to watch the video is how great of an upgrade the visuals are. They are going for a more Game Boy Advance era artstyle and I'm loving it, it looks even better than before.
 

Weltall Zero

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At least you have a Switch, I’ll need to get one for this Zelda game!

I'm assuming you had a Wii U, right? Otherwise this isn't even the Zelda game you should get a Switch for... :D

Yeah the other characters can be really punishing and not really fun either.

My favourite mode was just doing the daily challenge but now since Amplified I love doing Nocturna on Hard Mode. It’s hectic but I like the challenge!
I haven't really played any of the alternate modes, including Hard Mode. Since I'm replaying from the start on Switch as of a couple days ago, I still need to do Cadence and Melody, plus I never owned the DLC so Nocturna is new to me. :)

One thing I noticed after playing for a few hours and then coming back to watch the video is how great of an upgrade the visuals are. They are going for a more Game Boy Advance era artstyle and I'm loving it, it looks even better than before.
For sure. The original art style was good enough for me, but Cadence of Hyrule's visuals are positively delightful. High quality GBA / late SNES is quite possibly my favorite art style for a game, above any 3D styles.
 

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HOLY COW THANK YOU!!

Just spent a few hours with these tips and holy cow it made things so much better. I've actually gotten to Level 2 now hahaha (it's so much harder!! D: )

I have no idea the other characters had their own versions of the songs and they're not on the OST, is there anywhere to get the ENTIRE soundtrack? The Bard's version of some of the songs are SO tight, omg I love the disco flavor he gets
 

Weltall Zero

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HOLY COW THANK YOU!!

Just spent a few hours with these tips and holy cow it made things so much better. I've actually gotten to Level 2 now hahaha (it's so much harder!! D: )

I have no idea the other characters had their own versions of the songs and they're not on the OST, is there anywhere to get the ENTIRE soundtrack? The Bard's version of some of the songs are SO tight, omg I love the disco flavor he gets
The wiki has bandcamp links for most of the alternate OSTs and even further remixes:
https://crypt-of-the-necrodancer.fandom.com/wiki/Music
My favorites are the original and the FamilyJules version. It's by default assigned to Aria, but I set it as Nocturna's as well; it seems vaguely fitting to have the metal version on the vampire character. :)

Edit: Oh god, I just realized if they do the same thing with Cadence of Hyrule, we'll get remixes of Zelda music in a huge variety of genres. I know it's obvious but it just hit me now. :D
 
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KillstealWolf

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So considering the bosses seem to be Zelda bosses with a musical motif (Armos Knights with Guitars and Gleeok with a Xylophone motif), what over bosses do you want in and what instruments do they have?

Digdogger with the Didgeridoo was mentioned earlier, but I would love to see some King Dodongo's with some Bongos's (Unless they use... Bongo Bongo for that role I guess).
 

vitormg

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I just beat Crypt's base game mode and I'm really hyped for this game. Luckily I still have the AMPLIFIED DLC to beat and keep me busy. This is so addicting and satisfying to play. I've put 13 hours only this weekend.
 

mnz

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At the timestamp, Imran Khan says this game happened because Aonuma and Miyamoto became addicted to the game when it came to Switch lol
 

Kouriozan

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Miyamoto falling in love with a game, that doesn’t happen often wow.
I’m glad for the team, they managed to impress a legend.