If hectic stupid shit is considered flow then sure.
Nuke Town looks like a Picasso painting compared to this
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If hectic stupid shit is considered flow then sure.
Nuke Town looks like a Picasso painting compared to this
Im betting the map is purposely done badly . Theee cant be such thing like flow on it.
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Shoot House is a goddamn mess. I feel like this is a monkey paw situation where they put this out quick to try to appease people who wanted faster gameplay/run and gun back, but it's way too tiny with too many angles for 6v6. I just played a Domination match on it where every single person in the lobby had at least 15 captures LOL. The map itself seems okay but it has the problem most maps in this game have where it's the swiss cheese effect and there's just way too many angles and windows and sightlines. If 3v3 or 4v4 was a thing in this game it'd probably work well for that, but it's pretty awful in 6v6 IMO.
Welp that answer's my question. Nervous for future 6v6 maps now.
Agreed. Last night, even with the stupid break up the lobby in between every match, 90% of the lobby was using a 725/M4
725 Completely eliminates any gunfight to have. You shoot first, get the better angle? Doesn't matter, 725 deletes your character from the memory of the game files.
I think it's because of the spawns overall, the way the TTK is super fast compared to BF. The grenade spam, and most of all, the killstreak rewards. The rewards are the biggest contributor to the shitstorm. I mean, take it out, and you'll have an easier time. Also, they should borrow Battlefield's flag capping score thing.
People are deluded if they think past CODs didn't have SBMM. I honestly am OK with it. I mean, I get smashed a lot of times usually by squads, but that's life. If it was EVERY friggin' game, then yeah, there's a problem. I don't pretend I'm some hotshot and stick to what I know I can do. That said, I still hate some of the stuff that aren't fixed, but SBMM isn't one of them.
Yes, exactly. My take on this? These people that continue saying "play tactical" or whatever, are just happy that they have a COD they can dow ell in now. Compared to before that it was mostly run n gun.
I think it's because of the spawns overall, the way the TTK is super fast compared to BF. The grenade spam, and most of all, the killstreak rewards. The rewards are the biggest contributor to the shitstorm. I mean, take it out, and you'll have an easier time. Also, they should borrow Battlefield's flag capping score thing.
People are deluded if they think past CODs didn't have SBMM. I honestly am OK with it. I mean, I get smashed a lot of times usually by squads, but that's life. If it was EVERY friggin' game, then yeah, there's a problem. I don't pretend I'm some hotshot and stick to what I know I can do. That said, I still hate some of the stuff that aren't fixed, but SBMM isn't one of them.
Nah. They did nerf it but it's barely noticable.
Imho black ops 3 had some of the best 3 lane designed maps this gen. Combine, Fringe, stronghold, Hunted.
In ground war I just stay by the B and C flags and stay inside the buildings. No snipers or vehicles to worry about.
Treyarch hasn't made good maps since Black Ops 2
I remember being in a party with my friends and playing those maps.
we didnt have scuf Controllers, but still had mad fun .
Yup, CoD has been trying hard not be be CoD lately. I get it when most of the fan base was begging for innovation, but they've realized the error in that awhile ago and jut want last gen CoD. Give us MW2R already dammit.
The community always focuses on the strongest weapon but yea, this go round is ridiculous.
I would much rather see Excess from Infinite Warfare return. Rust with room to breathe.
Infinity Ward (and fans) would do well to realize "military realism" is neither fun nor makes sense in a game where "realism" is completely arbitrary. Some weapons handle realistically, others do not. Some soldiers kill eleven people in a row and call in an attack chopper, while in real life you'd sit in cover and call in artillery to minimize the risk of poking your head out and getting shot. Realism is not something to aspire to in a game like this, and selective realism is harmful in the long run.
CODWWII had good maps, the only bad one was Gustav Cannon and thats way better than every MW19 map.
Shoot House is probably the best map the game has. It's not a good map, however. Also spawns flip quite a lot here to quite some hilarity.
It's terrible.
I played several rounds of HQ on it and had a blast. Too chaotic? Yes, but a nice palate cleanser compared to some of the bigger maps.
This new ground war map is pretty bad. I played it twice and both times enemy team spawn trapped my team to base with all flags taken, and it didn't take long before someone from the opposite team got the nuke.
Ground war would be so much better if they removed tanks and such. Imo such vehicles don't belong to CoD.
Ground war would be so much better if they removed tanks and such. Imo such vehicles don't belong to CoD.
Shoot House has people constantly spawn inches away from an enemy, either being shot at in tenths of a second or fucking somebody in the back who didn't expect an enemy to spawn literally behind his back. They just can't seem to get these spawns right, either it keeps on flipping like crazy like in this map, or it never flips and you get spawntrapped.
I found myself mostly hating the game until I started playing the NVG mode. It felt so much better and engaging than the regular mode. Just less bullshit and more suspense.
Now I start the game and realize the playlist has been removed. I tried playing the new map and playing some of the other modes, but it just feels like a terrible slog.
- The game rewards camping by having dead silence be a field upgrade. Being mobile is a death sentence for anyone that's not a headshot machine with the reflexes of an MLG player.
- The maps are so fucking cluttered that it's impossible to actually see where everyone is.
- Everyone's running ghost, so not even the spotter grenade is useful to track enemies.
- Not appearing on the minimap when shooting unsilenced even further encourages camping.
- The spawns make objective modes terrible since you always spawn really far away, and have to pass through all of the fucking hotzones that campers have on lockdown.
- No demolition, which is the best mode.
- Skill based matchmaking, but no penalty for leaving? Most of the times, I join a losing team mid-session because people just ragequit. How about a 10 minute ban after leaving?
All of my lives in the game are either:
- Me running and getting good kills by keeping track of where my teammates are, where they're being shot from.
- Me getting killed by a camper.
- Me getting a kill, but then immediately being killed by their teammate behind right next to them.
I spent around 60 days of playtime across MW2, Blops and MW3, and goddamn do I miss those games in comparison.
If you want to fix the game, replace ghost with dead silence, and make ghost a field order, and make suppressors the only way to hide yourself from the minimap when shooting.
Now I start the game and realize the playlist has been removed. I tried playing the new map and playing some of the other modes, but it just feels like a terrible slog.
- The game rewards camping by having dead silence be a field upgrade. Being mobile is a death sentence for anyone that's not a headshot machine with the reflexes of an MLG player.
- The maps are so fucking cluttered that it's impossible to actually see where everyone is.
- Everyone's running ghost, so not even the spotter grenade is useful to track enemies.
- Not appearing on the minimap when shooting unsilenced even further encourages camping.
- The spawns make objective modes terrible since you always spawn really far away, and have to pass through all of the fucking hotzones that campers have on lockdown.
- No demolition, which is the best mode.
- Skill based matchmaking, but no penalty for leaving? Most of the times, I join a losing team mid-session because people just ragequit. How about a 10 minute ban after leaving?
All of my lives in the game are either:
- Me running and getting good kills by keeping track of where my teammates are, where they're being shot from.
- Me getting killed by a camper.
- Me getting a kill, but then immediately being killed by their teammate behind right next to them.
I spent around 60 days of playtime across MW2, Blops and MW3, and goddamn do I miss those games in comparison.
If you want to fix the game, replace ghost with dead silence, and make ghost a field order, and make suppressors the only way to hide yourself from the minimap when shooting.
Well of course it's still gonna feel good. Their goal was to balance it not break it.
Lol just played a match of HQ where the defenders kept respawning somehow. Good to know that cheating/exploiting joins the laundry list of issues too.
Seeing all the complaints about having to play tactically is just depressing and makes me afraid they are gonna cave in and go back to the mindless 3 lane running and gunning BS that made me quit CoD years back. Because having to play tactically is why this is the first CoD I've bought since idk when. The mindless running and gunning and constant dropshotting is why I dropped the series and moved to BF in the first place. This is the first CoD since the original Black Ops where I feel like I have options on how I wanna play. I can run and gun or I can play more tactically and hold buildings or corners and still be able to win
Whereas before it was run n gun or GTFO and that was annoying as fuck because it came down to whoever could dropshot better or whoever had the better gun. Strategy didn't matter at all.
It's nice to have positioning and strategy matter again.
Whereas before it was run n gun or GTFO and that was annoying as fuck because it came down to whoever could dropshot better or whoever had the better gun. Strategy didn't matter at all.
It's nice to have positioning and strategy matter again.
It just feels at this point there may be no hope for that fix.
Unfortunate. Its also gone past the time I managed to play it for a refund. Having a game hard crash a console should be priority one. Screw M4 and Shotgun nerfs, fixes the crashes!
Yeah i dont mind it either. I find this a lot more fun. But im sure theyll cave. Soon, shotguns will do no damage and claymores will be useless. I give it 2 months
New map is great for what it is
cant tell if it's a reworked or large gunfight map or if it was meant to be a 6v6
im hoping they can drip 6v6 maps faster and have more medium sized maps. hoping the next 2 are 6v6 maps and they hold off on gunfight and gw for another time. We need more 6v6 fast
patiently waiting for the old minimap and further footstep tweaks to walking and crouching.
still think they need to nerf ghost and give claymores one more nerf, particularly A buff to spotter
cant tell if it's a reworked or large gunfight map or if it was meant to be a 6v6
im hoping they can drip 6v6 maps faster and have more medium sized maps. hoping the next 2 are 6v6 maps and they hold off on gunfight and gw for another time. We need more 6v6 fast
patiently waiting for the old minimap and further footstep tweaks to walking and crouching.
still think they need to nerf ghost and give claymores one more nerf, particularly A buff to spotter
I'm fine with them balancing the Claymores actually. I honestly prefer Frags or Mollies anyway. The shotguns I'm indifferent to. I don't have a problem with shotguns being strong. But it also wouldn't destroy me if they made them weaker.
What i don't want them to change though is this new map philosophy they have going. The maps are more interesting and random. They aren't just basically the same 3 lane design with different skins and surroundings on them. They just need to tweak the spawn system to make it harder to trap players in their spawn and I'll be happy as hell with the game as it sits now.
I supported them when u were gone. Now its your turn i guess ;)
Lmao that and the M4 nerf might as well not have been done. Both are still dominant weapons. Their tweaking did almost nothing to how powerful they are.
Drift0r did a video on the post patch and he is also reporting minimal nerfs to the M4 and 725.
And i see no problem with that. The point of balance is not to take what is currently the strongest and make it the worst. The point is to take what is overpowered and bring it more in line with the rest of the game and it's very hard to nail that on the first try. So yeah it's probably gonna take a few more tweaks before the 725 and the M4 are where they need to be.
I would take small incremental tweaks over hamfisted nerfbat nonsense any day of the week. Small incremental changes actually put things where they need to be. The hamfisted nerfbat way of doing things just breaks things and that doesn't help anyone.