Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 |OT| Late to the party

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At least it sounds like they wont have to worry much about BO5's campaign too much as Sledgehammer and Raven will do that, and they can probably also salvage stuff like weapons, player models etc. for re-use in Zombies and MP.
I really hope MP is overhauled, either return to 3's or revert to 2's.
The current patchwork is awful.

Blackout should be easy.
 

Jameswell

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I really really can’t get over how bad Artifact is. It is legit one of the worst CoD maps I’ve ever played. And I’ve played every single CoD except Ghosts
 

poklane

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I really really can’t get over how bad Artifact is. It is legit one of the worst CoD maps I’ve ever played. And I’ve played every single CoD except Ghosts
Well, you did skip the CoD with the worst maps.
No joke here: if we ever see a map as bad or worse than Stonehaven (not sure if the latter is even possible), the map designers behind that map should be fired on the spot.
 

Jameswell

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Ha, good to know I didn’t miss much. I’ve been playing since the very first one on PC. It’s kind of amazing how much I dislike Carentan now. And that was considered THE map back in the day.
 

PeskyToaster

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Oct 27, 2017
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If they go with Specialists again, their abilities should be non-lethal. It's not fun to just get one-shot. Manual healing or not, I hope they keep the health pool of this game. It's in a really good spot where you can still get multi-kills but also allows for outplays.

Take me with you, all my main Blackout-playing friends are gone.
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HiLife

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Oct 25, 2017
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Goddamn I didn’t know they had specter back. Started using him and the MW2 commando cheese is amazing lol.
 

Hispanicguy

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It’s utterly hilarious that Activision give us the best CoD experience and release it on mobile.
I'm excited to try out the mobile version.

https://charlieintel.com/call-of-duty-mobile-battle-royale-map-revealed/54219/

They released the battle royale map for the mobile version and they've combined maps from MW and BO:



Can we get this on consoles, please? Would love to see the best of both worlds on one game.

I still think Blackout is fun but it's become 2nd place in my eyes next to Apex.

The biggest thing I hope they do for Blackout is make the wait for a new round much shorter. My biggest reason for not playing anymore. I don't want a pregame lobby. Throw me into a match. If I lose, give me the ability to quick join another match.
 

poklane

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Mobile BR apparently allows you to switch between 1st and 3rd person, which is enough for me to not even try it. Hate it when I get killed because someone was just standing behind a wall while still seeing me due to them being in 3rd person.
 

Triscuitable

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Oct 27, 2017
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If they go with Specialists again, their abilities should be non-lethal. It's not fun to just get one-shot. Manual healing or not, I hope they keep the health pool of this game. It's in a really good spot where you can still get multi-kills but also allows for outplays.
Agreed, but sniper body multipliers and shotgun damage profiles need to change dramatically. Treyarch has a good foundation with 150HP and manual healing, but the actual core of the experience stinks once the MOG and snipers are introduced. Gear also needs to go, as well as 2nd level attachments (high caliber 2 was an enormous mistake). Hit detection and server tick rate also need to improve dramatically.
Do you play on PS4? Same name as here if you want to add me.
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HiLife

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I’m actually a fan of the specialist kits. OW and Siege spoiled me with character classes that feel different from one another. I guess they could tweak it next time to be passive in MW4 but I don’t want them to remove it completely.



Sliding under the trip wire is so clutch lol.
 

poklane

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I’m actually a fan of the specialist kits. OW and Siege spoiled me with character classes that feel different from one another. I guess they could tweak it next time to be passive in MW4 but I don’t want them to remove it completely.



Sliding under the trip wire is so clutch lol.
Just get rid off them being free, overpowered pieces of weaponry and equipment.
 

Triscuitable

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Oct 27, 2017
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Spitballing how to make Specialists work:
  • Scorestreaks are simplified, with each streak being earned at 500, 1000, and 1500 points
  • Any streak can be assigned to any tier, with the streak increasing in power based on each tier (i.e., standard UAV at 500, real-time UAV at 1000, and indestructible real-time UAV at 1500)
  • You can assign your specialist weapon to the second tier, replacing your second streak with a specialist weapon usable after earning 1000 score (it will not generate meter over time)
  • Specialist weapons that aren't one-and-done, such as the Death Machine and War Machine, would persist through deaths as they did in BO2
Specialist Gear goes the way of the dodo. This isn't perfect, obviously, but if Treyarch wants to have their cake and eat it too, this is one solution (though not a perfect solution).
 

HiLife

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Alcatraz is fun as hell when you have randoms who aren’t scared to engage. Gets boring pretty fast with people that just slow play all the damn time. There’s time for both and it’s even more lame when you camp all match with 0 kills just to die in your first encounter in the final collapse.
 

Triscuitable

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I'm getting so tired of crappy reserve drops. This is the worst loot box system I've seen in years. Worse than BO3's, really. At least in BO3 you could only get weapon camos on a per-gun basis. In this game, it's camos, charms, and "death effects". It's so fucked.
 

poklane

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I'm getting so tired of crappy reserve drops. This is the worst loot box system I've seen in years. Worse than BO3's, really. At least in BO3 you could only get weapon camos on a per-gun basis. In this game, it's camos, charms, and "death effects". It's so fucked.
I'm trying to remember the last time I got something I actually used from them..... Don't think that's happened yet. The loot pool is just 99% filler, which also just devalues Reserves and probably hurts mtx sales. They're 2 bucks a piece, I wouldn't pay 20 cents.
 

poklane

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Black Ops Pass owners now get a 2x tier boost for the Contraband Stream. I also can't confirm this yet, but I think the boost also applies to Party members who are a party with a Black Ops Pass holders. I don't have the Pass but are in a party with someone who does, and it's mentioning the tier boost and it does indeed seem quite a bit faster.
 

TRU

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Black Ops Pass owners now get a 2x tier boost for the Contraband Stream. I also can't confirm this yet, but I think the boost also applies to Party members who are a party with a Black Ops Pass holders. I don't have the Pass but are in a party with someone who does, and it's mentioning the tier boost and it does indeed seem quite a bit faster.
Wonder if I have to wait a week for the boost/loot boxes? #psfirst
 

HiLife

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Oct 25, 2017
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Did they change the Hades in anyway the past few weeks? I fell out for awhile and came back to it two days ago and the crossbar just feels....different. And skullsplitter on the Mozu I swear isn’t registering my headshots lol.
 

Triscuitable

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I'm trying to remember the last time I got something I actually used from them..... Don't think that's happened yet. The loot pool is just 99% filler, which also just devalues Reserves and probably hurts mtx sales. They're 2 bucks a piece, I wouldn't pay 20 cents.
Out of those five crates we just got, I pulled a whopping one epic item: yet another Afterlife camo, this time for the Hades.

Hooray. Last season, I was pulling an Ultra roughly every other week, meaning I had two Mk2 guns and all three Blackout characters by the end of Grand Heist. This time around? Nothing.
 

poklane

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Party members also getting 2x tier progression and having access to DLC maps if they are in a party with a Black Ops Pass owners lasts throughout the 28th

Out of those five crates we just got, I pulled a whopping one epic item: yet another Afterlife camo, this time for the Hades.

Hooray. Last season, I was pulling an Ultra roughly every other week, meaning I had two Mk2 guns and all three Blackout characters by the end of Grand Heist. This time around? Nothing.
And Activision wonders why Black Ops 4's post-launch revenue isn't as good as they had hoped lmao. Black Ops 4's microtransactions aren't just anti-consumer, they're also overpriced. Maybe Reserves would actually sell decently if you we're guaranteed to get something decent you might actually use out of it. The fact that each of the Reserve gun camouflages have to be unlocked on a gun by gun basis is just a pisstake, even if you get a cool camo there's still a 90% it's for a gun you'll never use.
 
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Triscuitable

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And Activision wonders why Black Ops 4's post-launch revenue isn't as good as they had hoped lmao. Black Ops 4's microtransactions aren't just anti-consumer, they're also overpriced. Maybe Reserves would actually sell decently if you we're guaranteed to get something decent you might actually use out of it. The fact that each of the Reserve gun camouflages have to be unlocked on a gun by gun basis is just a pisstake, even if you get a cool camo there's still a 90% it's for a gun you'll never use.
It's mostly Treyarch's fault, from what I can tell. Infinite Warfare at least allowed you to craft the stuff you wanted, and WWII not only let you do that, but also made supply drops extremely easy to earn in large quantities. I remember kicking off the summer event last year with nearly 150 combined SDs, RSDs, ZSDs, and RZSDs. In BO4, not only is the earn rate for drops way too slow, but the items within are unrewarding, stupid, and often copy-pasted a dozen times over, if not more.
 

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Man I get wrecked on Barebones Moshpit. I dunno seems like it's sweaty matches in that playlist 24/7 (or I'm used to specialist cheese I guess?).

It's the first time in quite a while that COD isn't my go to shooter. I keep jumping between BLOPS4, TF2, Apex and BF5 these days. I tried Siege but I'm just not feeling it.
 

HiLife

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This whole time I never realized I didn’t have the new maps auto downloaded 🙄🙄🙄

Missing out on 5 new maps lol. Bout to see what they’re like.
 

PeskyToaster

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Oct 27, 2017
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Almost won a blackout with just the Strife last night. There were 7 people left and I got fourth. Ran into the three man squad. Managed to down two but only finished one. Killed another 3-man squad with it earlier that match so pretty good game. I was the only one left on my team in Quads and I could've easily won that. I tried to heal and reload but I only got the heal off before they were on me so I ran out of ammo.
 

poklane

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Nuketown 24/7 is interesting as well, 3 years ago they used Nuketown in Black Ops 3 to tease Infinite Warfare, I wonder if they're gonna do the same for MW4 tomorrow?
 

HiLife

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These maps are so forgettable to me. I have days of playtime and maps like Arsenal still don’t ring a bell and I couldn’t picture the layout until I saw the thumbnail.

As soon as I read that WMD is coming I could already remember the best line of sights. Trash maps nowadays lol.
 

Triscuitable

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Nuketown 24/7 is interesting as well, 3 years ago they used Nuketown in Black Ops 3 to tease Infinite Warfare, I wonder if they're gonna do the same for MW4 tomorrow?
I forgot that BO3 teased Infinite Warfare. What an odd crossover that was. So rarely do CoD devs do things like that. At most, you'll see an ad for the next game in the current title once the new one nears launch. I believe BO2 and Ghosts both had pre-order camos advertising the next games, too.
 

Racketpunch

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My buddy and I just tried to play some Blackout on PC after not playing since the game was hot months ago. What the hell happened to Blackout? Did they remove duos and can we not choose just to play the standard mode?
 

Triscuitable

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My buddy and I just tried to play some Blackout on PC after not playing since the game was hot months ago. What the hell happened to Blackout? Did they remove duos and can we not choose just to play the standard mode?
IIRC the population is so low that to facilitate people finding games, Solos, Duos, and Quads rotate out every week or so.
 

poklane

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Played a bit of Nuketown the past few days, how the fuck do people enjoy this shit? 50% of games are you spawntrapping the enemy, the other 50 is you being spawntrapped. Nothing can convince me otherwise that shit maps like this simply shouldn't exist.
 

HiLife

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Black Ops 4 is fast paced compared to Black Ops in addition to the more ridiculous KS and specialist kits it just makes Nuketown a clusterfuck in general. Can’t stand that map.
 

poklane

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If it weren't for Barebones I would have uninstalled the game, Specialists just ruin the game and it's actually mind blowing how little thought Treyarch put into some of these weapons and abilities. Take Torque's Barricade for example, how the fuck did this shit ever make it through playtesting? You have people just locking down flags in Domination with this shit, not to mention it's a camper's wet dream to lock down a doorway. Camping on the 1st floor of one of Nuketown's 2 houses? Just put that bitch down and you don't have to worry about someone walking up to you anymore, it's fucking laughable. Someone seriously has to explain to me how this shit didn't get cut, because right now I can only think of 2 options: playtesters recognized it was a load of shit, told Treyarch to cut it and Treyarch ignored them, or the average playtester at Treyarch is completely braindead and should honestly be fired.
Black Ops 4's Multiplayer is Treyarch's worst ever MP by a fucking mile, they completely shit the bed.
 
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Triscuitable

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The amount of problems that can be solved in MP by carrying a rocket launcher is indescribable
UAVs have been overpowered since Call of Duty 4, and with MW2, we finally got a counter that doesn't eat up a valuable perk slot... and people never use it.

I rake in tons of extra points (especially for my own streaks) because I have an RPG on every loadout that doesn't exclusively run a secondary weapon (Underkill is unlocked too late to be useful). Run launchers, folks.
 

Goodacre0081

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love how the official twitter account seems to completely abandon Black ops4 when the new game is about to be announced.

 

PeskyToaster

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I think it's tough to have lethal killstreaks and lethal specialist weapons. Turns it into a cluster. Not that I didn't dominate in that cluster but still. I also kind of prefer custom soldiers over the specialists. I wanna make my own person.

As for battle royale, I'd like to see non-lethal killstreaks added. Maybe a care package of loot or counter-uav. UAV of course would be super powerful. Sensor darts are already OP as hell. As someone who regularly gets a lot of kills it would be nice lol.
 

HiLife

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Oct 25, 2017
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Love going into TDMs and dropping 50. The feel of trying hard enough to get half the kills for your team lol.

I’ve been sleeping on outrider. Her drone is clutch. Nobody even shoots it out of the sky.
 
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Triscuitable

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Love going into TDMs and dropping 50. The feel of trying hard enough to get half the kills for your team lol.

I’ve been sleeping on outrider. Her drone is clutch. Nobody even shoots it out of the sky.
It's legitimately one of the most powerful pieces of equipment in the game right now. Most folks just park it a few meters up, but you can take the Hawk really high up. Run it with Equipment Charge and you can have eyes in the sky every 90 seconds or so.
 

HiLife

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It's legitimately one of the most powerful pieces of equipment in the game right now. Most folks just park it a few meters up, but you can take the Hawk really high up. Run it with Equipment Charge and you can have eyes in the sky every 90 seconds or so.
Yup I’ve been doing exactly that. Put it in the sky over a choke point and it tag for me. I like her bow. It feels like Seraphs one shot that can kill up to 2-3 people at chokes. All those private lobbies with Hanzo are paying off lol.
 

Triscuitable

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Why bring back Perkaholic? BO4 is easy enough without even using the "get 4 bonus perks" elixir. We don't need all of them.