The joke is racist and offensive, If he apologized and said he's a different person today i would accept, but saying It was ok and not apologized....
Thats disapointing
Thats disapointing
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Calls for boycott as racist Trevor Noah clip resurfaces
- Thread starter 30yearsofhurt
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In the event that the point contained in my previous post was not entirely clear, I would want to slightly clarify my comment, in relation one of Mr. Noah's claims, specifically the following claim:
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In general, (1) I do not think it is helpful to make possibly inaccurate predictions/generalizations ("...regardless of how many times you speak about the thing, they still want to be angry...") about how individuals who have claimed to have been 'aggrieved' by you (and who may or may not have a reasonable/legitimate claim) will react to an expression of remorse by you; and in addition, (2) the available evidence does in fact indicate that very often and in many cases, both the 'offending party' and the 'aggrieved party' can benefit from an expression of remorse, offered by the 'offending party' to the 'aggrieved party':
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I don't see Trevor getting fired by Comedy Central over this, different type of company. I'm not surprised to see Gunn fired by supposedly family friendly Diensy for pedo jokes, other studios would have probably kept him around since he apparently prints $$
Oh know I agree they wont fire him , apart of this seems like outrage culture adding more fuel to it , and james will land on his feet
I was just pointing out james Gunn did exact what the poster said and still got fired
the fuck is wrong with you
I find it hard to believe you would be singing the same tune (assuming your heritage isn't caucasian otherwise not applicable as insulting all white people in one fell swoop is ok) if he said 'all chinese women are ugly', 'all spanish women are ugly' or whichever race is applicable.
I don't see why because he said this on a stage instead of on his social media network account it is suddenly palatable. Words have meaning and for him to use them to garner laughs either means he's a aware dickhead or an imbecilic dickhead. There's offensive comedy and then there's this which is offensive "comedy". He's fucked up for making this joke and anyone who laughs at it is fucked up too. This is the kind of joke boys make in school before their balls drop. It is not comedy. It is playing to the absolute lowest common racist denominator of 'haha those aborigine fuckers are ugly fucks aren't they haha'. Defending that is indefensible.
"it's comedy"
"comedians shouldn't apologise for their comedy"
this is bullshit and if you can't realise that you're an idiot too
It's palatable to me because it's a performance on a stage and not an admission of his own personal beliefs. It's a show. Not a social media account full of racist aboriginal jokes, expanding upon how unattractive they are.
I don't genuinely believe that this guy was announcing his disdain for all aboriginals from the joke, his history, and his explanation sort of make that clear. Just as Eddie Murphy wasn't making fun of every single instance of a homosexual during his comedy act. Which is exactly what it is. It's a comedy act. That in itself is vastly different than him going on record about all aboriginals. How you take the joke, is on you/the audience. It's a literal profession. I think it's subjective to say if his set was offensive "comedy" or not. It's really up to if you make people laugh.
Dave Chappelle isn't a racist for his stereotypical jokes on white people. Would he be a racist if during an interview he made comments about how he dislikes all white people? You bet.
Not sure if Lenny Bruce was a racist, I've never looked into his personal commentary, but yes. People play up stereotypes on stage, because that's a performance. They are trying to be funny and relate to an audience. I'm sure there are conservative comedians that I'd find just plain offensive. But it's comedy. Going on a racist tirade like Kramer is not comedy, but I guarantee a dude like that would have been tweeting some suspect shit now at days.
Is jeff Foxworthy a self hating white man for his comedy about white trash? Or is it a comedy bit. There is a difference.
I didn't find what he said to be funny. However I wouldn't demand an apology from the comedian, as it's a comedy routine. You just don't laugh, or you can boo.
What you say on social media is often the real you. Youre generally saying things no one has invited you to say, so there is definitely a intimacy element with your online posting.
I just feel like your opinion could be said about any comedian besides rated g ones really. But yes, I think being a comedian is different than what you post on your social media.
That's likely why raw acts find success in television and film later. They have a on stage act, and a kids movie act. But at the end of the day, it's still a mask you're putting on. And you do enjoy the freedom to say what you want, and others have the freedom to support you or boycott you. That's the profession.
if more comes out about the dudes racism, which I'm sure folks are looking for now, I think it will be simple to judge. But not from a single stereotype joke. I'm sure if he's a racist, it will only be a matter of time before it all comes out. And I'll be here to eat my avatar with a side of crow.
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Also clearly this is being seen and viewed differently than I view it. Personally I've been offended by comedians, but then I know there are times where I'm laughing and someone else is offended. I do not disagree with what you're saying. Just that I'd probably look for more instances of racism before coming to that conclusion.
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It's pretty weird to see the left going after comedians now, since when I was growing up it was conservatives who were getting offended by comedy all the time. Anyway, Jim Jefferies laid it out pretty well: https://youtu.be/RIwrnFLwOlI?t=1m14s
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I think in order for comparative cases to function, you'd need to have comedians who punch down in their jokes, as I think this is what triggers this particular critique from the aboriginal community. But even then I find the Noah case disturbing, because his explanation/defense is that there was no intent to be offensive.
That is a very big difference to the cases you give - where there is absolutely clear intention to "hurt" because they see the role of comedians to be outrageous and punch up and down on anything tabu, baby rape, gays, trans, blacks etc. But to me it signals an incredible amount of ignorance to basically come out and say "I made this joke, but I had no clue about who these people were and their history of suffering, disposession, abuse and dehumanization - but now that I know I will stop making such jokes as I always do when I realize that someone finds such jokes hurtful or racist". It seems to me that Noah is something of an opportunist, getting cheap laughs from people who share his stereotypes or racist bias, but admits and 'outside' where said jokes would be so offensive he'd never tell them. I have no clue how a comedian functioning in the age of Internet, youtube and social media can think this way - that there is a contained inside for these jokes.. The " intent" defense is very strange and I am pretty sure the comedians you list would say there is an absolute intent to shock, mock, hurt, punch upwards and downwards. Actually I would go as far as say the closest defense I have seen is Roseanne backing down with the "planet of the apes" "joke". I have no idea if she is that stupid, but I suppose it is possible. Just as it is possible that Noah is completely ignorant about aborigines... but if this is the case the man should not make attempts to make comedy of any community that he is not part of himself because he seems pretty ignorant.
Between this and how he handled the WC criticism, he can fuck right off.
