Can anyone explain the belligerent "liberal" character archetype in fiction?

Crackhead_Bob

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This is not a political question.

I read an interesting piece in an old TV guide article about the Ed Asner's character in The Mary Tyler Moore Show. I never got that impression of his character, given that how he was always such an overbearing presence.

It got me wondering, how were overbearing liberals often characterized when they often displayed superficial qualities that you'd usually associate with conservative impulses?

A pal of mine mentioned that Spiderman's J. Jonah Jameson was the same way when he wasn't obsessing over Spiderman. That too I'm having a hard time piecing together. He's usually got a stick up his ass.

Aside from polemical determination, how is the belligerent stereotype often embodied, both good and bad? And not like the angry hippie stereotype. I'm thinking more along the lines of Marc Maron's Sam Sylvia on GLOW, who on a few occasions took swipes at Ronald Reagan and the Religious Right.
 

Akira86

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conservative projection.

willingness to change things and have an open mind toward progressivism and social justice is pushy and imposing and oppressive. In the way that segregation and Jim Crow and patriarchy have never been.
 

Pein

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Amazing

I feel some users in Era do this David Foley character when they quote a post with just the word "Wow" or "what the fuck" to a post I am scratching my head to find the offense in.
It’s especially true when people ask if they should be offended lol.

Anyways it’s no different than the hardcore conservative trope, basically going extreme on anything is obnoxious as fuck.
 
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siddx

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I'll put my honest shit out there

I believe one of the subconscious truths about late 20th century America is that millions of baby boomer(give or take) Americans constructed their identities by watching marketable laugh-track sitcoms and imitating

we are a culture of Archie Bunkers and Tim Allens and Fred Flinstones
 

Unknownlight

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What it comes down to is that a vast amount of comedy is based on taking a true thing and exaggerating it until it becomes ridiculous. The "belligerent liberal", the "dumb redneck", the "fanatical evangelicalist", etc. are all the most obvious character archetypes you get when you try to write comedy about any of those groups. There's nothing really special about it.
 

excelsiorlef

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The reality is anything pushing against the status qup will be seen as belligerent to those who desire negative peace
 
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Crackhead_Bob

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I was meaning more of the nuanced, complex personality type. Unlikable, but relatable. Sam Silvia is a caustic personality, but he's portrayed in a way that I can sympathize with his motives.
 

GayAnimeDad

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You're asking the wrong forum. EtcetEra *is* the belligerent liberal character archetype.
What the fuck, I was already beaten to it.

I'll put my honest shit out there

I believe one of the subconscious truths about late 20th century America is that millions of baby boomer(give or take) Americans constructed their identities by watching marketable laugh-track sitcoms and imitating

we are a culture of Archie Bunkers and Tim Allens and Fred Flinstones
This makes a frightening amount of sense.
 

gfxtwin

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You're asking the wrong forum. EtcetEra *is* the belligerent liberal character archetype.
You don't get how these anti-progressive attitudes and hot takes about Resetera being posted in here (like yours), in fucking 2018 no less, are kind of disgusting? I was going to educate you with a three paragraph thesis about why you're trashy and judgemental, but it looks like your profile pic did it for me. That, and the three posts of yours I've read say everything there is to know about you tbh.

By promoting your shitshow of negative peace, you've sided with extremist centrist monsters such as Jerry Seinfeld, Matt Groening, Joe Rogan, Ken Levine, Bernie Sanders, Elon Musk, Trey Parker & Matt Stone, etc. FUCK your bullshit opinion.

When you finally accept that society is evolving to no longer tolerate such intolerance, and that us humans who are actually worthy of dignity deserve the freedom of living in a society where nobody make any more social blunders (as though any moment of social ignorance isn't an action of bad faith) maybe your opinion will be respectable. But until then you have some fucking learning to do.
 

Spectone

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You don't get how these anti-progressive attitudes and hot takes about Resetera being posted in here (like yours), in fucking 2018 no less, are kind of disgusting? I was going to educate you with a three paragraph thesis about why you're trashy and judgemental, but it looks like your profile pic did it for me. That, and the three posts of yours I've read say everything there is to know about you tbh.

By promoting your shitshow of negative peace, you've sided with extremist centrist monsters such as Jerry Seinfeld, Matt Groening, Joe Rogan, Ken Levine, Bernie Sanders, Elon Musk, Trey Parker & Matt Stone, etc. FUCK your bullshit opinion.

When you finally accept that society is evolving to no longer tolerate such intolerance, and that us humans who are actually worthy of dignity deserve the freedom of living in a society where nobody make any more social blunders (as though any moment of social ignorance isn't an action of bad faith) maybe your opinion will be respectable. But until then you have some fucking learning to do.
Hmm I still do not see it.
 

baden

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You don't get how these anti-progressive attitudes and hot takes about Resetera being posted in here (like yours), in fucking 2018 no less, are kind of disgusting? I was going to educate you with a three paragraph thesis about why you're trashy and judgemental, but it looks like your profile pic did it for me. That, and the three posts of yours I've read say everything there is to know about you tbh.

By promoting your shitshow of negative peace, you've sided with extremist centrist monsters such as Jerry Seinfeld, Matt Groening, Joe Rogan, Ken Levine, Bernie Sanders, Elon Musk, Trey Parker & Matt Stone, etc. FUCK your bullshit opinion.

When you finally accept that society is evolving to no longer tolerate such intolerance, and that us humans who are actually worthy of dignity deserve the freedom of living in a society where nobody make any more social blunders (as though any moment of social ignorance isn't an action of bad faith) maybe your opinion will be respectable. But until then you have some fucking learning to do.
Where is this pasta from? If you take the "extremist centrist monsters" stuff it is something that would be posted here non ironically.
 
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You don't get how these anti-progressive attitudes and hot takes about Resetera being posted in here (like yours), in fucking 2018 no less, are kind of disgusting? I was going to educate you with a three paragraph thesis about why you're trashy and judgemental, but it looks like your profile pic did it for me. That, and the three posts of yours I've read say everything there is to know about you tbh.

By promoting your shitshow of negative peace, you've sided with extremist centrist monsters such as Jerry Seinfeld, Matt Groening, Joe Rogan, Ken Levine, Bernie Sanders, Elon Musk, Trey Parker & Matt Stone, etc. FUCK your bullshit opinion.

When you finally accept that society is evolving to no longer tolerate such intolerance, and that us humans who are actually worthy of dignity deserve the freedom of living in a society where nobody make any more social blunders (as though any moment of social ignorance isn't an action of bad faith) maybe your opinion will be respectable. But until then you have some fucking learning to do.
 

Fat4all

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i mean, wouldn’t it be crazy if a dinosaur existed back then who had liberal convictions

wow, how out of play they would be