This sounds like a fifteen year old trying to make a political bowel movement.
This shit should be bannable. You have not once replied to what a poster actually said and instead reconfigured it to suit your shitty teenage take.
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Can anyone explain what's happening in Venezuela? Dictator Maduro hated by majority but, Trump Admin / VP Pence and Bolsonaro backing opposition?
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This sounds like a fifteen year old trying to make a political bowel movement.
This shit should be bannable. You have not once replied to what a poster actually said and instead reconfigured it to suit your shitty teenage take.
Yeah, and she's talking pure nonsense. This lady should seriously educate herself on the matter before spreading lies. "Far right opposition"... give me a fucking break.
What's insane is their insistence on repeating the same line over and over about intervention while saying that it's up to Venezuelans to figure things out... But that's what's happening! Recognition isn't military intervention, and the opposition be it citizens or members of the legislator calling for new elections is exactly Venezuelans figuring it out.
Abby Martin, propaganda mouthpiece of Maduro and Putin supports this!
Yeah, they are basically spewing a libertarian viewpoint, except directing it to other countries, while conveniently ignoring what is currently happening in the countries itself.
For the new page, because people need to know:
if people want to know this new self-proclaimed president's feelings about the fascist Bolsanaro:
Translated: "Congratulations to the Brazilian people for their election day today and successes to President-elect Jair Bolsonaro, we know of his commitment to and democracy, human rights, security and development of the region.#EleccionesBrasil "
Iloelemen you should probably put this in the OP to give an idea who this guy actually is
if people want to know this new self-proclaimed president's feelings about the fascist Bolsanaro:
Translated: "Congratulations to the Brazilian people for their election day today and successes to President-elect Jair Bolsonaro, we know of his commitment to and democracy, human rights, security and development of the region.
Iloelemen you should probably put this in the OP to give an idea who this guy actually is
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To be fair, it's not like the US hasn't tried instigating coups in the past.
Well at least you're staying on message with these condescending insults.
You're from Venezuela, right? How's it feel on the street there. You getting food and and milk and stuff?
People are letting her have it in her twitter mentions (the congresswoman) who called Guaido far right opposition
This is a dumb argument. It's no different than people saying "You can't be against Maduro, Bolsonaro is!"
Shock face. Opposition leader says good things about one of the few countries that can handle Maduro's military
Well thank god no one here is actually praising Guaido and putting him on a pedestal, instead we are discussing about the situation itself.
No, condescension happens when there's an intellectual gulf that's miscalculated by the original claimant.
But what pray tell, is my message?
Apparently there were already 27 deaths these past few days, during the protests. Sooo... yeah... not looking great :/
(link is in Portuguese).
So many deaths. Thats so bad. I hope the internatinal pressure lead to elections or some type of change. Maduro is a crazy man.
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She's probably calling the opposition far-right because far-right people like Trump and Bolsonaro supports it.
Which is to say that just because a "thing" is supported by someone "bad", it doesn't necessarily make the "thing" itself bad too.
It won't lead to elections because Maduro has to stay in power to remain out of prison.
You were condescending when you dismissed what I was saying by comparing it to teenage shit, and frankly I think you should apologize. At least Kirblar and Suiko had the decency to engage with what I said earlier, even if we fundamentally disagree. I understand that you view my rhetoric with distaste, but there is substance behind it if you're willing to engage. We may even find common ground.
Or don't and continue to toss insults. Sorry I called the idea of "pressuring democracy" paternalistic, but that's what it is.
The far right and the far left just need to get together and meet in the middle, after all. Venezuelans are responsible for fixing their own problems /s
That's true, but assuming everyone supports that by acknowledging the opposition as president is a stretch. You need to wait until people say they support a coup, that'd be literally what they're doing but nobody has done that. There is more nuance to political opinions than thinking everything is good or bad.
if it was indeed a sham what does that make a U.S. sanction and CIA backed right wing coup? democracy at work?
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Why can't the election being a sham, a U.S. sanction and a CIA backed right wing coup be all true at the same time? These things, as well as Maduro being a corrupt monster, don't have to necessarily be mutually exclusive.
sanctions are an internationally recognized and agreed upon method of condemning governments that do A Bad.
unless you're bringing it up in the "anything bad that has ever happened in venzuela is because of us sanctions!!!" context that a lot of ppl keep mentioning
unless you're bringing it up in the "anything bad that has ever happened in venzuela is because of us sanctions!!!" context that a lot of ppl keep mentioning
of course they can all be true, it's a matter of what posters here are most perturbed by
So Ilhan has badly, badly fucked up here.
Because Guaido's party is not right wing whatsoever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Will
It's in fact a center left social democratic party that's a member of the international organization Socialist International.
Because Guaido's party is not right wing whatsoever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Will
It's in fact a center left social democratic party that's a member of the international organization Socialist International.
Correct. I've been saying this on multiple pages now, and countless people keep referring to him as a far-right puppet. There's a lot I dislike about the discourse surrounding him.
MUD opposition is a coalition of many ideologies where the sole unifying factor is their opposition to PSUV. So yeah, it's silly for people here to tar all of them as right wing.
Ilhan Omar was named to the foreign affairs committee 🤦🏼♂️.
I mean do some homework?
It's being done deliberately to frame it as "Guaido = right = bad" with the implication left unsaid.
are you advocating the US should start overthrowing democracies to own Putin?
Care to elaborate on the posts of actual venezuelans here on this thread? Or are you just gonna continue with this dishonest stuff to try to make a point that doesn't make any sense at all?
edit: jesus i just looked at the OP's edit. You guys are horrible. So dishonest. Man, i feel nauseous reading this shit.
Of course none of you actually respond to actual venezuelans telling you to stop with this bullshit. Cause you are so above actual venezuelans talking about what they want for their country.
democracies rofl
yeah i'll just stop posting here, funny to see people supporting a literal dictator that resembles a fascist (Maduro) and calling themselves progressives
fuck off with that shit
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Some people don't understand this sort of stuff is typical geopolitics.
It's astonishing really. People should actually read real informed Socialist philosophy. Go read G.A. Cohen and Marx (The German Ideology and Capital not just the Manifesto). My former professor S.M. Love just wrote a great article "Freedom from the Market" where she grounds socialism in a Kantian understanding of Freedom and is currently doing research and Marx, Kant, and Socialism. It's amazing how little people know about the ideology they claim to believe in.
My heart goes out to all the Venezuelans and I truly hope things get better soon. Also the Maduro support here is ridiculous. Also this is from a couple places back but even putting aside the question of whether the unfairness of the election voids Maduro's legitimacy people do realize "elected dictator" is not an oxymoron. What defines dictator is what they do with power not how they got it.
People also have various rights besides the right to democracy. They have the right to a competent government that actually works, they have the right to an economic system that actually produces things (like food, notice I left the type of system empty but if you have a system that doesn't produce anything that's a bad system), and nonviolent peace.
The next (rhetorical question) might be controversial but suppose for argument's sense that Maduro is democratically legitimate, How much are you willing to sacrifice on Democracy's altar?
um well you see actually it only counts if they're the ones tweeting out congratulations
So you put some garbage tweet on the OP but where are the posts from people that are actually from Venezuela, that posted in this thread (and the other one)?
This is disgusting.
This thread is disgusting. A tyrannical leader has mismanaged a country into starvation and exodus while using violence on the population to repress dissent.
And people are defending it just to save face because the tyrant claims to be a socialist.
And people are defending it just to save face because the tyrant claims to be a socialist.
He should be happy that the government is so kind to keep his ass out of jail where he would be in jail if it was any other country in the world.
Can't believe he is still talking lmao, CIA gave him some good bricks to pump up his self confidence.
Would love people try to defend the shootings going on right now over there. (as in happening right now)
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