"The Venezuelans are just working out the matters between themselves."
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Can anyone explain what's happening in Venezuela? Dictator Maduro hated by majority but, Trump Admin / VP Pence and Bolsonaro backing opposition?
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you wouldn't be the first rich white upper class american liberal to be completely oblivious to their deeply held beliefs that america should paternalistically "encourage" nonwhite nations towards far-right governments more amenable to american corporate interests
oh, you don't want to "hurt the venezuelan people" or have "a single boot on the ground"? how magnanimous. interference is interference. you can't be anti-Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election and be pro-what America is doing with Venezuela. this isn't a false equivalence, it's all foreign meddling. the only difference is that America doing it has been woven into the fabric of its culture for more than half a century.
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Just note that if you go on this twitter its not safe for work, dude is an nsfw artist. But here's a glimpse of whats happening (has a more recent video on top of twitter and other vids if you look. Again his twitter is NSFW.
Recognizing someone as an interim president isn't interfering.
And even if it is, there's actual Venezuelan people in this thread who seem to have very different views then you. Why are you ignoring them?
Yes, look at all those democracies around the world jailing opposition leaders....
Go to Washington, announce that you are president in a set up ceremony with the support of China and see how long you can stay a free man.
if you honestly think recognizing an interim president is all the U.S. is doing right now, you haven't been paying attention to america's favourite pastime of toppling socialist regimes
i don't support maduro and i'm not ignoring them, venezuelans aren't a monolith
We literally have the political opposition here calling for the impeachment of the President, and all they get is him saying some mean things about them in tweets.
Far-right opposition?
Seems like another ignorant user on twitter needs to shut the fuck up about this situation.
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That has been happening for a long time in Venezuela and nothing happened. You can't even argue against my point yet still can't resist to respond, laughable. Open your damn mind and inform yourself of the history of the opposition in Venezuela, read Wikipedia ffs
I should of known better then to come into this thread. The place is hellish for the people there. I have had family chased out and killed due to Chaves/Maduro governance. Still have some living there who can not leave. Its fucking depressing.
You made an outright nonsensical point that doesn't match the current situation. This isn't some rando shouting he's the President with the backing of a foreign power. This is a politician being sworn into office by the National Assembly after Maduro rigged the previous elections in his favor.
He's a center-left progressive, from what we know.
you're doing an irony here right? about this congresswoman?
he's a right wing goon opposition leader who just up and announced that he's the new unelected president. very cool to have so many people on the internet running interference for him because he's "interim"
The Congresswoman said something fucking stupid, and should shut the fuck up about a situation she's clearly not well informed about.
these two posts sure are something back to back like that
No, she called a center-left member of a socialist party a far-righter. Ignorant is exactly the right word.
I am sure we can find Venezuelan people with all types of views, some on side another, others in the opposite. The point is that it is for them to decide and do whatever needs to be done in order to fix their country.
In my opinion -as a non-Venezuelan- Maduro and his administration do need to go, as well as the top military officials that support him. However the US government needs to stay the fuck out of it and mind their own business.
There already is a president and he is legitimate. The Venezuelan constitution does not allow for the puppet to be sworn in, it is a pretence of legality to fool people like you. And it works.
This congresswoman very clearly has no fucking clue what she's talking about.
How can posts like these exist?
it seems like very few people are arguing the united states should intervene.
And that's where I and countless others disagree. He is illegitimate, and has thus forfeited his right to be President. His own government has now turned against him and sworn in a new interim President, and his people are in open revolt attempting to oust him.
i wanna see the fantasy land political spectrum all you guys have in your heads but it would probably give me aneurysm
Here's the cold hard reality of the political party he belongs to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Will
So yes, Ilhan had no fucking clue what she was talking about.
I guess Socialist International became a far-right association too.
Many people seem to get confused and think there is only one opposition to Maduro and it comes from the far-right when the true is the opposition to Maduro comes from many groups and all political spectrum's.
And there it is. "Maduro's bullshit elections are to be considered legitimate, anyone opposing him merely a puppet."
The only pretense here is the one you just decided to drop about your point of view.
User Banned (1 Day): Antagonizing another member
as opposed to Kirblar who had Tank jack him into a matrix chair last night to download the floppy disk labelled "venezuelan politics" into his brain
My cousin was refused refugee status in the US last year so he had to go back there. Somber day that was.
"Go read wikipedia you morons"
*reads wikipedia*
"Well, look at the know-it-all, thinking he knows anything"
Lmao.
*reads wikipedia*
"Well, look at the know-it-all, thinking he knows anything"
Lmao.
so informed that he's rambling on about the illegitimacy of Maduro's election instead of America's role in destabilizing Venezuela to the point it's at now
weird how none of the hospitals have medicine, wonder how that happened. also weird how england is sitting on 1.3 billion dollars of venezuelan gold that it could use to bring food into the country.
The majority of the world and the majority of Venezuela sees Nicolás Maduro as the president of the country and that will not change until new elections. This coup has already failed.
Sorry? Do you even understand how governments work? How legitimacy works? Maduro is president.
I have been consistent. I criticize PSUV policy, criticize US meddling (also economic) but want change from within the country through dialogue. You can only beat me by, again, reducing my argumentation to an easy to combat caricature. But like I said, whatever this is not happening because this is an opportunistic attempt by the opposition and the US after they could not grab hold of the military.
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"Majority" is a word you define very loosely, from what I can see. And hey, if you want to side with Erdogan and Putin, be my guest.
The idolatry some of the westerners here over their US politicians and *check notes* western journalists is nothing short of ironic.
Even when Venezuelans have been stating what is happening they are still spewing shit written by people who have their liberal heads up their ass.
Your mans on the left is wrong. Do your own damn fact check.
Even when Venezuelans have been stating what is happening they are still spewing shit written by people who have their liberal heads up their ass.
Your mans on the left is wrong. Do your own damn fact check.
Is he doing this, though? I don't see anyone supporting Trump doing a coup with the CIA and military here.
Acknowledging who won a fair election is not interference. The Russia's did a whole lot more than that in '16, the comparison is ridiculous and a straw man. This blurs what foreign meddling is to a degree where the concept loses all meaning. There is quite a difference between America recognising a centre-left candidate who won an election fairly in Venezuela and sending in the US troops to install him ala Pincochet. No-one in this thread supports the latter.
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wikipedia's footnote on where a politicial party lands on the imaginary linear political spectrum does not paint a full picture of their intentions in overthrowing maduro, or what policies they will enact. being supported by trump and bolsonaro should give you some strong hints though
ah, so we've reached the point at which we're just fabricating events whole cloth
on that note, goodnight everyone
What does it say, then, when Erdogan and Putin are coming out against them and throwing their support behind Maduro?
I'm not talking about "America's role in destabilizing Venezuela" because I'm informed and aware of the nature of its economic collapse far predating any type of US sanctions in the latter half of the '10s, despite your best efforts to muddy the waters by spouting state propaganda.
As per the Last Week Tonight video (which people should give a watch) did the US give Chavez cancer? Or did they secretly hack all of Venezuela's ATMs?
can you elaborate on this? do you have any information on the policies he supports, or things his party campaigned on?
Where does Canada fit into this?
This guy is their current president.
must be a right wingerWhere does Canada fit into this?
This guy is their current president.
White guy, probably a Nazi.Where does Canada fit into this?
This guy is their current president.
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Tbh, where are you getting info?
US imperialism is bad and US imperialism led by a right-wing administration is ultra bad butttttt Maduro's mess is real.
US sanctions causing weakening might be real, and there might've been pulling of strings in the world oil economy, Maduro's mess was still there.
I feel like it's hard to find the least-biased news source that has a very nuanced take (talking about micros and macros) on all of this since the leading left-wing news voice of Venezuela is government-backed (and I've seen lefties share tweets from them unquestioningly).
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Trump, Bolsonaro.
This is getting sad. I'm out and will happily return in a new thread after hope is lost.
Trudeau.
You are claiming sham elections to be legitimate. That says it all.
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