Not alt-right but can't stop talking about them? Sounds like resetera.
Can We Just Admit that Joe Rogan is Alt-Right Already?
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It's been a thing everywhere forever. There are degrees, of course. Having a family member that is a piece of shit is one thing, but going out of your way to hang out and associate with known racists is another.
Not taking specifically about Milo or Bannon here, but doesn't this line of thinking essentially create a disingenuous blanket that makes the alt-right (and perhaps more accurately, the far right) far more expansive than it is in actuality?
To label someone like Richard Spencer in the same political category or movement as Joe Rogan seems very limiting in terms of discourse.
What's Alt-Right these days anyway? I used to think I knew but now I feel like I do not.
I thought originally it was a term coined by neo-nazi Richard Spencer to describe his own sub-group within the Republican party. That lines up with some of these "white pride" groups you see holding rallies like "Patriot Prayer" and "Proud Boys" etc. All that "we must secure white future, etc" bullshit.
Now I see it being used to describe Dave Rubin or Ben Shapiro. Those guys are shitheads, but they're not posting messages with the numbers 14 or 88 hidden in there. They want to ride that rich dick to the end, no doubt, but is there any white pride in the message? I think its more about pretending they are experts on the constitution and how any kind of regulation against big business is unconstitutional and bad because freedom freedom liberty freedom, etc. I mean that's totally in line with who writes their checks so I see those two as being more about giving handjobs to their masters who throw them scraps, not so much about white pride.
So that's why I'm confused about what Alt-Right even is anymore.
I thought originally it was a term coined by neo-nazi Richard Spencer to describe his own sub-group within the Republican party. That lines up with some of these "white pride" groups you see holding rallies like "Patriot Prayer" and "Proud Boys" etc. All that "we must secure white future, etc" bullshit.
Now I see it being used to describe Dave Rubin or Ben Shapiro. Those guys are shitheads, but they're not posting messages with the numbers 14 or 88 hidden in there. They want to ride that rich dick to the end, no doubt, but is there any white pride in the message? I think its more about pretending they are experts on the constitution and how any kind of regulation against big business is unconstitutional and bad because freedom freedom liberty freedom, etc. I mean that's totally in line with who writes their checks so I see those two as being more about giving handjobs to their masters who throw them scraps, not so much about white pride.
So that's why I'm confused about what Alt-Right even is anymore.
The words become so overused I'm not sure if any of us know anymore. It went from white nationalism / supremacy to now being a blanket term to refer to anyone that isn't lock step with the far left on basically every issue
It's because guilt by association has become an extremely weaponized concept. The problem is it applies to every single person with some level of visibility, so it completely breaks down when applied even a little bit broadly.
And seeing as this is a gaming site, it's literally impossible to escape. You know those Youtubers and other e-celebs posted on gaming side often (some that have entire community threads dedicated to them)? Every single one of them is friends with Boogie or worse people. So by the logic of those that use guilt by association as ammo, liking any of those people, regardless of how progressive they present themselves, makes you complicit.
"Lie with dogs, get up with fleas".
Guilt by association is only a fallacy when the association is tenuous or unintentional, not when it's a deliberate association.
Yep.
I did enjoy his podcasts about a year ago when he had actual interesting guests on but now all he does now is host political activists...
The right wingers he brings on just spend the entire time arguing how they've been unjustly attacked by the left and that's why the left is bad.
The right wingers he brings on just spend the entire time arguing how they've been unjustly attacked by the left and that's why the left is bad.
He was also big on context when using certain words, like N-word he used was just a word for him and words in itself aren't bad. I don't think that reasoning would go well here either. I don't have much of an opinion on Joe Rogan since I don't follow him, but to me it's pretty normal to give a platform even to people who migh hold questionable views. Though what I understand he doesn't really debate them, or make any hard questions. I've only watched some clips of his podcast one point in time, but very little.
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Did the Tea Party not have current alt-right ideologies? All the post 9/11 hysteria groups? It's definitely been prevalent in the gaming space for many years. Not sure how that's reality bending or a defense of anything.
Joe Rogan is what we call "an useful idiot". This is not something to be proud of.
It's so weird to see this... But I actually know the girl in your avatar picture. She's a friend of mine from middle and high school.
That's awesome! She makes the native in me proud. Someone in the Keep Families Together thread posted a photo of her on a protest sign and I immediately dug it.
Nah, he isn't.
Joe Rogan is the perfect example of a useful idiot. He thinks he's an intellectual but he isn't and also cannot determine when other people are or aren't intellectuals, so he gives all opinions the same amount of time and even footing because he doesn't believe in de-platforming.
The obsession with guys like Peterson is baffling (he's had him on his podcast like 3 times this year alone) and he's very easily fooled into thinking someone who is arguing in bad faith isn't being dishonest.
Joe Rogan is the perfect example of a useful idiot. He thinks he's an intellectual but he isn't and also cannot determine when other people are or aren't intellectuals, so he gives all opinions the same amount of time and even footing because he doesn't believe in de-platforming.
The obsession with guys like Peterson is baffling (he's had him on his podcast like 3 times this year alone) and he's very easily fooled into thinking someone who is arguing in bad faith isn't being dishonest.
I would call him a conservative. Not alt right. Same with Shapiro. Don't know about the others in the photo.
Come with more than a fucking picture.
What are his specific political positions that you consider alt-right?
Thank you for that. I haven't talked to her in a long while. But I know that she's been very involved with native American rights since high school and she's doing a lot of good work. I'll pass along your kind words. :)
I'm not a Joe Rogan fan, and I've only seen bits and pieces of his show, but I wouldn't characterize him as "alt-right." I think he's libertarian, which is sort of the gateway drug of the alt-right but won't necessarily lead you to it. I will also say he's probably far more sympathetic and receptive to right wing ideology than left wing ideology. When someone like Peterson or Harris say something patently false and offensive about women or black people, it doesn't offend him; he'll just just find it strange or inconsequential.
Why are people so obsessed with the term intellectual. Doubt he sees himself as anything more than a curious dude.
The alt-right controls conservative discourse on the internet, helped get Trump into office, and has people in major positions of power in our government. That all seems pretty big to me.
I think far right would be even more blanketing than alt-right by putting people like Bannon and friends in the same category as the Tea Party. To me, alt-right separates the far right conservatives who understand and make use of the internet to get supporters (and money) from the ones who don't.
I don't think it's limiting to say that bigots are supported by a wide range of people, from true believers to useful idiots.
Personally, I'm comfortable with saying that Joe Rogan is a guy with conservative leanings who hangs out with the stupid man's idea of smart people because he's a huge dumbass.
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Gonna guess that people want a way to say they're superior without referring to genetics, IQ, race, etc. etc.
because I've watched a lot of content from these so-called intellectuals and I've never been impressed by their insight, it's baffling to me how guys like Peterson become Alt-Right darlings, he's a whining moron.
No I'm wondering why you and some other people are saying he sees himself as an intellectual. I never go that feeling during the episodes I've listened to. Just seems like a pretty chill interviewer.
I've watched a lot of episode of JRE, he thinks he's pretty intelligent.
He also thinks he's a great comedian too.
He isn't alt right, he is just dangerously and stupidly naive and eager to play that obnoxious "I'm willing to listen to anybody" role. He has a ton of liberal views, arguably far more than conservative. But in his quest to be open minded he has let his fucking brain fall out of his head.
His podcasts with Joey Diaz and tom segura are hilarious but I skip every single one he does with any if these right leaning dipshits.
Oh he rightfully deserves to get torn a new asshole for that picture.
His podcasts with Joey Diaz and tom segura are hilarious but I skip every single one he does with any if these right leaning dipshits.
Oh he rightfully deserves to get torn a new asshole for that picture.
Why? Like it or not, he's giving a platform to ideas that are helping to destroy our democracy and that can't be tolerated. If you're not speaking out and you're going so far a to have a sit down dinner with these people AND give them a huge platform, you're complicit. When you step in shit don't complain about the smell.
Sometimes he has, yes, but most of it is implied. The mask slips most commonly on Fight Companions when he's with guys like Eddie Bravo, Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen.
Nah, those people are Nazis. By using any other word to describe them, underplays just how disgusting they are.
Really? Would be funny to hear him refer to himself as an intellectual so please lmk next time he says it on his podcast.
Must not be that big of an idiot though if he got someone who thinks he's an idiot hooked on multiple of his podcasts lol.
I completely agree. Not gonna lie and say that I never liked Rogan but I do. But to say he is alt right is complete shit. I think his either doesn't know enough of what these guys talk about to call them out on it or he isn't one to be confrontational with his guests. To be fair, he did let Alex Jones on his show but he let him rant and get nuts and let him make himself look stupid on air.
Nah I’m cool with calling those you listed a NAZI. I don’t give a fuck what they claim. What an odd defense lol stop that
Even if he isn't "alt-right" who cares about the label? Why do you guys even care what the Apprentice host is even up to
LMFAO that's super random
Joe Rogan is a useful idiot for the alt-right. He should really stick to talking about MMA and marijuana. I don't think he's an alt-righter though.
hahaha is that seriously your comparison? Yes, Joe Rogan and the PoTUS are in the exact same position
To those saying Rogan isn't racist, have you not seen his planet of the apes comment?
Guy literally says "we go to this neighbourhood to watch planet of the apes, we walk into the movie theatre and it WAS planet of the apes, straight up Africa, not a white person in sight".
Now he acknowledged it was racist but in a 'lol that was pretty racist' and moves straight on.
If that isn't racist I don't know what is.
Also, racists can have black friends and still be racist so I don't wanna hear some bullshit excuses for why he isn't racist.
Guy literally says "we go to this neighbourhood to watch planet of the apes, we walk into the movie theatre and it WAS planet of the apes, straight up Africa, not a white person in sight".
Now he acknowledged it was racist but in a 'lol that was pretty racist' and moves straight on.
If that isn't racist I don't know what is.
Also, racists can have black friends and still be racist so I don't wanna hear some bullshit excuses for why he isn't racist.
Seriously?
Christ.
I don't understand how that's remotely defensible.
What bullshit was that? As if I don't have enough reason to dislike the fuckwit for giving Colin Moriarty a platform already.
That comes off to me as passive racism/microaggression to me. He's basically buying into stereotypes and assigning it as a positive experience in like a halfway between a normal negative stereotype and a more positive "Asians are good at math"-like one. It doesn't make him a monster, it makes him a dumbass.
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