I have to assume it's making fun of him. This is their new socks.Is he supposed to be mocking Trudeau's yoga? He looks like an idiot.
Was it his idea or his handlers?
I have to assume it's making fun of him. This is their new socks.Is he supposed to be mocking Trudeau's yoga? He looks like an idiot.
Was it his idea or his handlers?
normal people in ontario weren't going to care about native land and native lives until some sort of action was being taken to make them take notice.
all of a sudden you care
protesting works
Naw, Trudeau will cry for a photo op. So there's at least a day that he'll care.
so what? the protestors should just fade meekly into the night and accept a slow but quiet death? switch to pamphlets at bus stops? if we need to push them out with guns and soldiers then native leaders, communities, activists, allies, can build out strategies from there and the mask comes off on reconciliation and the thin veneer of 'respect' the nation has for its' indigenous people (and the environment in general)It will just push more people to demand the government round up the protesters imo.
I remember this:
No one has really cared for a long time, they're not going to start now.
It's why I'm in full nihilist mode, because what's more inconvenient than a continent burning to the ground?I meant the general public.
You inconvenience people they just push back regardless of how noble your cause is.
Just look at Extinction Rebellion.
normal people in ontario weren't going to care about native land and native lives until some sort of action was being taken to make them take notice.
all of a sudden you care
protesting works
Not so much pro civil rights when you are buying votes for a UN Security council seat abroad eh?
if mild inconvenience is enough for you to decide you hate their cause it is a) indictment of you more than anything else and b) you deciding you hate their cause will, unfortunately, not stop the protest from continuing!No. All of a sudden I hate their cause.
Protesting to raise awareness is a valid tool, forcing disruption on people's lives and causing financial and emotional damage is not. It's a crime.
People will loose their jobs if this continues.
if mild inconvenience is enough for you to decide you hate their cause it is a) indictment of you more than anything else and b) you deciding you hate their cause will, unfortunately, not stop the protest from continuing!
every single protest of note that has ever changed anything for the better has caused some amount of 'financial and emotional damage', most usually force some amount of 'disruption' and asking for a protest that does not somehow 'disrupt' things and force regular citizens to take notice is not and has never been an effective protest. you decide you 'hate their cause' but what were you feeling about it before your train got cancelled? ignorant at best, indifferent at worst. i certainly doubt you were writing your MPs or circulating what you can do to help their cause. if they went to your door instead and asked you to sign a petition you would, maybe, sign it and then feel kind of good about yourself so that petition could go to parliament unanswered and forgotten.
if you want to solve this sudden problem in your daily life, write to someone who can fix it and maybe get rid of the root cause (read: the pipeline running illegally through unconceded native land). your federal MP absolutely has power to help fix it. they have a voice in parliament, they are obligated to speak for your concerns as someone they are representing.
or you can just say that you don't give a shit about native people and their concerns and a train ride and speculation about what this might do to 'the economy' is far more important to you. i don't think i have anything else to offer you in that event, at least not sympathy.
a protest just ruined your long weekend. that's pretty unfortunate, especially during valentine's day. that sucks but there are ways around it, you can find another date to meet up, even if it's a less special one. you can call, text, see each other over video. go to the movies on the day off or finish some video game. probably not the way you wanted that day to go but you can probably make yourself feel a bit better about it, and then put it behind you.
whether or not the nation cares is its' own problem, not the protestors
a protest just ruined your long weekend. that's pretty unfortunate, especially during valentine's day. that sucks but there are ways around it, you can find another date to meet up, even if it's a less special one. you can call, text, see each other over video. go to the movies on the day off or finish some video game. probably not the way you wanted that day to go but you can probably make yourself feel a bit better about it, and then put it behind you.
Not on me, but on everyone.
What is the expected result? What will happen in practice?
Do you understand all the impact on the economy and everyone else?
Finally, do you believe is worth it? This is the trade off I'm talking about.
What other means do they really have, other to impact us where it hurts the most?
What other means do they really have, other to impact us where it hurts the most?
That's the thing, the land at the center of this dispute (and many others) isn't purely their land. The tribes' control of actual reserve land has been well-established. But the recent developments in indigenous law have created a sort of in-between category of traditional indigenous lands that are owned by the Crown but over which the tribes have an acknowledged legal interest necessitating consultations.Until Indigenous tribes have true autonomy over their land then there will never be any reconciliation. You can't tell them "this is your land" then turn around and tell them they have no choice in what other people do within that land. It's either their land or it's not.
i understand the impact on everyone else because last i checked i am part of 'everyone else', yes. i can't tell you what will happen in practice, but the expected result is already happening. anecdotally speaking, just as i've heard more people complaining about the train shutdown, i have heard more 'regular' people than ever talk about the issue of native sovereignty and reconciliation than i've heard in my entire life. i can't say where this will all go, but hopefully in a better direction for native people than the country has been interested in taking them since we arrived here. and we all have our means at our disposal to try for that better outcome for this.Not on me, but on everyone.
What is the expected result? What will happen in practice?
Do you understand all the impact on the economy and everyone else?
Finally, do you believe is worth it? This is the trade off I'm talking about.
Let's take a page from G.W.Bush's playbook and set up fenced off "free speech zones" where people can protest. That way "protests" can technically still occur, but they're now out of sight and out of mind enough to not bother normal people.
Inconveniencing so called normal people is exactly how you get shit done. Hell, whole countries built their independence on inconveniencing "normal people". Large scale civil disobedience works. It worked in Egypt (independence movement), it worked in India, and it worked for the Civil Rights movements in the US.
Strongly disagree. We live n a free and democratic society.
We just had a federal election and the pipeline was a known issue at that time.
Chaos don't bring any benefit. It only hurts people, specially the more vulnerable. There are mechanisms to move our society forward without breaking it.
"I have reason to believe that the agents as a whole … are doing all they can, by refusing food until the Indians are on the verge of starvation, to reduce the expense," Macdonald told the House of Commons in 1882.
It's one of the most damning quotations ever attributed to Macdonald. And yet, in the parliament record it's immediately followed by an even more damning comment as the Liberal opposition benches accuse Macdonald of not starving Indians enough.
"No doubt the Indians will bear a great degree of starvation before they will work, and so long as they are certain the Government will come to their aid they will not do much for themselves," said David Mills, who had served as minister of the interior under the Liberal government of Alexander Mackenzie.
This was clearly an Ottawa that had no time for the rights and culture of what they would have called "savage" nations. Even in that context, over his career Macdonald would pursue an Indigenous policy so draconian that even his contemporaries would come to accuse him of going beyond the pale.
"Macdonald basically had Indigenous people locked down so tightly that they became irrelevant after 1885," said James Daschuk, the author of the bestseller Clearing the Plains, from which many of the primary sources quoted in this article were obtained.
Macdonald did not cause the famine. Nor did he draft the Indian Act or most of the West's treaties, which had been created under the prior Liberal government.
But Macdonald would capitalize on prairies wracked with famine. His Conservatives had returned to office with an ambitious "National Policy" that included quickly driving a railroad to the Pacific.
To do this, Macdonald effectively gave himself near-autocratic control of the prairies, including supervision of Indian affairs and the Northwest Mounted Police
"Indian matters … form so great a portion of the general policy of the Government that I think it necessary for the Prime Minister, whoever he may be, to have that in his own hands." Macdonald wrote in 1881.
In government archives, Daschuk found ample primary evidence showing that Macdonald's Indian agents explicitly withheld food in order to drive bands onto reserve and out of the way of the railroad. A Liberal MP at the time even called it "a policy of submission shaped by a policy of starvation."
I don't think these protests are cut and dry as some imply.
But here's Scheer playing a wild card.
I don't think these protests are cut and dry as some imply.
But here's Scheer playing a wild card.
This. It's their right to protest. We should be supporting them not bitching about traffic ffs.Protests without disruption = good press.
Change received for good press =
Canada can get serious or it can continue its present course of speaking out of two sides of its mouth on the crises of reconciliation and climate.
That's the point. It's to get your attention.This Rail shutdown is fucking me.
Booked a train way in advance so I could afford the ticket to reunite with my SO for Valentines Day and the long weekend. Now is cancelled, I can't afford flights and even bus tickets are outrageous (if you find a seat).
What is the purpose of this? Piss off people that need to work, and see their family and loved ones? What do normal people in Ontario have to do with this problem? How's forcing more cars on the road is going to help? I'm not even mentioning the impact on the economy that will hurt everyone.
Its not even that. If there isn't disruption, then the press straight up does not care. Peaceful Protests don't sell views.Protests without disruption = good press.
Change received for good press =
Canada can get serious or it can continue its present course of speaking out of two sides of its mouth on the crises of reconciliation and climate.