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Vamphuntr

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Trudeau's speech would have been really excellent on day 2 of the whole mess. A month later it kind of doesn't have the same impact. Especially since then he had many versions of his story. It's also strangely similar to that of his close advisor and best friend that timely appeared live on TV yesterday. In the end there is two sides you can take and I doubt people change their mind with what have been said today and yesterday. JWR is stated to appear again on the committee in the next 5 days. Her previous appearance hinted that there was more to come. Let's see what happens next.

Some interesting thoughts I have about the story:
-Why are people still arguing about whether or not she should have went with the agreement? Considering the DPP came to same conclusion I don't see how shocking her decision was.
-Butts claiming her demotion is only because Brison retired and they needed someone from NS in a prestigious position isn't believable. At all.
-JWR is not honest on the whole story. She waited for a leak to take action even though from her point of view she should have taken action much before.
-Her mounting some kind of bad and dumb counterattack with Celina doesn't seem like a great idea. It makes them feel petty.
-Curious about what Philpott knows we don't. You don't leave a senior minister position for a friend or a perception problem.
-If there is a casualty in this it will be the Clerk of the privy council. His testimonies pretty much paints him as partisan and unprofessional.
 

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Man, I don't fucking care if Trudeau ate a puppy. Like fuck I'm ever voting for a Conservative government.
 

mo60

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He doesn't need to be infallible. He needs to be not NDP or Liberal.



So the best hope is the UCP falling apart in the next 2 months? Good luck steering anything away from the economy, as Alberta slides into the toilet due to what everyone feels is looming recession.
i won't be doing the steering but it will be others that really despise him. There are people in the conservative sphere in Alberta that want to kick him out of his leadership position despite the alberta ndp because the ucp has not been listening to there concerns and kenney and the ucp have been treating some of these people like shit.A lot of these people don't like the AB ndp either but they will only be happy when kenney is gone.
 
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Mr.Mike

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Labour Force Survey, February 2019

Employment grew for a second consecutive month, up 56,000 in February, driven by gains in full-time work. The unemployment rate was unchanged at 5.8% as the number of people searching for work held steady.

In the 12 months to February, total employment grew by 369,000 or 2.0%, reflecting increases in both full- (+266,000) and part-time (+103,000) work. Over the same period, total hours worked were virtually unchanged.

To explore the most recent results from the Labour Force Survey in an interactive format, visit the "Labour Force Survey in brief: Interactive app."

Highlights
Ontario was the sole province with a notable employment gain in February. Employment declined in Manitoba, and was little changed in the remaining provinces.

More people were employed in professional, scientific and technical services; public administration; natural resources; and agriculture. At the same time, there were fewer workers in accommodation and food services, as well as transportation and warehousing.

The overall number of employees increased, while self-employment was little changed.

Employment rose for both women and men aged 15 to 24, while it was little changed for the other demographic groups.

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Labour Force Survey in brief: Interactive app
 
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Mouseiana

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This is an important apology for a heinous act committed by the Canadian Government, and its a shame that a lot of people are going to write it off as him trying to change the subject from SNC-Lavalin
 

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So can we pay more attention to Scheer now?

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5048256

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said today he "didn't hear" a question about an infamous — and debunked — conspiracy theory connecting the Clinton Foundation to a child sex ring during a town hall event in Kitchener, Ont. last night.

At one point during the event, a member of the audience rose to ask a two-minute question touching on several subjects, including immigration funding and international aid. He then linked Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to the mythical conspiracy known as "pizzagate," which gained traction during the 2016 United States presidential election.
 
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Scheer is, as Trump would say, "Low energy"

He will get exposed hard on the campaign trail. He'll get his classic ~30% but that's it. The more he associates with the alt-right, the easier a target he becomes. Not to mention there's Ford, who is liable to make a decision that will hurt the Conservative brand in Ontario within the coming year. I expect Bernier to start becoming a thorn in his side soon as well.

He has even failed to capitalize on this SNC scandal, he just mindlessly called for a resignation.
 

Vamphuntr

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Pretty good piece on the SNC-Lavallin case from a former crown prosecutor on why their deal might have been refused. Brutal Wernick burn too.

Yet repeatedly and overwhelmingly from the prime minister and his advisors, the hand-wringing has focused on Canadian jobs, without substantiation of what the real job losses might be.

Not a whisper for the innocent civilians trampled under a dictator's boot.

The kind of people who don't have Michael Wernick's mobile number.

Moreover, had the Libyan regime not collapsed and the bribery discovered, would this company still be in the game, still arranging prostitute parties and funnelling money to the Gaddafis?

It's highly significant that SNC is no stranger to disciplinary action over its conduct. During the 2001-2011 period of the alleged Libyan bribery, the company has:

  • been barred from bidding on Asian Development Bank projects for fabricating qualifications and documents (2004);
  • settled corruption allegations with the African Development Bank over bribes in Mozambique (2008) and Uganda (2010);
  • bribed Canadian officials with $22.5 million in relation to a McGill hospital contract (2009);
  • been credibly found by the World Bank as participating in high-level corruption in Bangladesh in 2009-2010, and entered into a voluntary debarment from World Bank-financed projects;
  • entered into a voluntary agreement to compensate seven Quebec municipalities for obtaining contracts through questionable means (1996-2011);
  • made illegal federal election campaign donations (2004-2011), entering into a voluntary compliance agreement with the federal elections commissioner
In other words, from a prosecutor's standpoint, SNC's past history is a serious aggravating factor that militates against lenience.

Section 715.3 of the Criminal Code of Canada then sets out several pre-conditions and mandatory considerations that the Canadian prosecutor is required by law to consider.

The first pre-condition to consideration of a DPA in the Canadian legislation is that the prosecutor must form the opinion that "the offence did not cause and was not likely to have caused serious bodily harm or death."

A prosecutor could hardly ignore the Gaddafi reign of terror over the Libyan people, and the company's role in supporting that, particularly by continuing involvement with Saadi Gaddafi after the murder of his coach. Prosecutors are entitled to consider more background on this subject than can be publicly disclosed.

The Criminal Code then sets out a number of circumstances that the prosecutor MUST consider, which are similar to the U.K. framework:

These include whether the accused organization self-reported to authorities (it did not); the nature and gravity of the offence (extremely serious); the involvement of senior officers (high); whether the organization has entered into a previous remediation agreement for similar conduct (multiple); whether the organization or its officers committed other offences (many).

Of special note is that the reported conduct continued over an extended period, almost a decade, with an extremely high dollar value.

On the positive side for SNC-Lavalin, it fired the people directly involved, had a complete turnover of senior management, and have instituted better internal checks and balances. So there's that.

In sum, SNC fails on all the primary tests a prosecutor would take into account, and passes only the most marginal or peripheral ones. Barring evidentiary issues that we have no way to assess, there is more than ample reason to support the determination of the DPP, and no substantial cause to overturn it.
 

Scottt

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It's amazing that "jobs, jobs, jobs" is the strongest excuse here. If the goal was to support the economy, then implement a federal jobs guarantee. There are no bribes required to do that.
 

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If it was about federal contracts (which was the narrative what, a week ago?) I don't understand why you wouldn't just quietly change the integrity regime to make the 10-year procurement disbarment discretionary or something.

and are Christy Clark, Glen Murray, and Sheila Copps speaking out because Liberals in power asked them to and do they think they're helping? Because yikes, they've all been terrible.
 

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...dy-to-run-for-re-election-as-federal-liberal/

The federal party this week reconfirmed Ms. Wilson-Raybould's candidacy. And the Liberal electoral district association in the riding backs her. "The Vancouver-Granville Liberal Riding Association stands in full support of our MP Jody Wilson-Raybould, and her important work for our community, region and nation," Claire Marshall, president of the electoral district association, said in a statement.

But how does the former attorney-general make the case to voters to vote Liberal when her disclosures have so affected the brand of the party she is running for? Although Ms. Wilson-Raybould said in her resignation letter from cabinet that she remains committed to a "progressive vision of change," she is not saying how she would reconcile running under the Liberal banner after having raised serious questions about how the government operates. Asked about the situation, her officer issued a statement that did not answer the question.

Lol why even run as a liberal. She's torpedoed her own career, from a prominent minister role to just an MP.
 

Tiktaalik

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I really wish the BC liberals didn't use the liberal name. They're the BC conservatives, you may as well use the name.
Or they're not actually that different.

No doubt that the BC Liberals tilt more right than their Ontario cousins, but as much as people try to handwave away the shitty stuff the BC Liberals do by associating them with the Conservatives, the latter explanation is the closest to the reality.

Christy Clark is a long time Federal Liberal. She was president of the Young Liberals at SFU, was married to a Liberal organizer and has deep connections to that party. Her views and actions can't be easily dismissed by her association with conservatives in the big tent BC Liberal Party.

I'm seeing tweets that say it's even more than $150k. Lol. The connections between the Liberals and SNC Lavalin go deep. it's obvious what is driving this thing.



Remarkable to see ex-Cabinet minister Shiela Copps and one time Liberal leadership candidate weigh in on this scandal with awful racist garbage.

 
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Leeness

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No doubt that the BC Liberals tilt more right than their Ontario cousins, but as much as people try to handwave away the shitty stuff the BC Liberals do by associating them with the Conservatives, the latter explanation is the closest to the reality.

Christy Clark is a long time Federal Liberal. She was president of the Young Liberals at SFU, was married to a Liberal organizer and has deep connections to that party. Her views and actions can't be easily dismissed by her association with conservatives in the big tent BC Liberal Party.

I'm seeing tweets that say it's even more than $150k. Lol. The connections between the Liberals and SNC Lavalin go deep. it's obvious what is driving this thing.

Eh. Fair. Maybe I just really disliked Clark haha :p
 

Tiktaalik

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Why is Clark even popping her head up now with these bad takes?

Twitter is speculating that she's hoping for a Senate seat payback. *barfs*
 

Vamphuntr

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At the very least new polls are showing Singh and Scheer are not picking up support. Like we have talked about the Liberals are extremely lucky to have two weak opponents. Same polls are showing an increase distrust in the PM but not in the party so I doubt we get stuck with PM Scheer.
 

Dekuman

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So China just needs to target about 9,000 jobs to make Trudeau send Meng back to China.

Truedeau's explanation was late that the jobs spin looks like a poorly written patch fix that exploiters will just walk all over once servers go back up.
 

firehawk12

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Standards, why have them?

My corrupt guy is better than your corrupt guy. Because it's not possible to have someone who might be morally good and also have ethics as well I suppose.
 
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