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Canada PoliERA |OT| Two Years of Sunny Days? That’s Scheer Madness!

Oct 25, 2017
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I've already written off this election. I'm resigned to the idea that we are going to have a Conservative Supermajority of the likes this country has never seen, backed by all the most influential provinces in this country.

The Liberals completely failed at managing this scandal. And let's be honest. The honeymoon period basically lasted his entire term in power. As such it hurts them a lot more when that trust was finally broken. This scandal and their handling of it basically validates everything the Conservatives have been saying about Trudeau since even before the last election; so this is really going to drag them down.
 
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At this point I hope Scheer has a scandal of his own like Stockwell Day did.

Expose the far right nutjobs behind him.
No way in hell Scheer gets through the general election clean, much less make it to the general without having his skeletons burst out the closet.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe it's because of the fact that the Liberals snuck in the deferred prosecution stuff for SNC Lavalin into the last omnibus without anyone noticing, but people are clearly having a closer look at this one.

Refugee advocates ‘shocked and dismayed’ over asylum changes in budget bill
OTTAWA—Lawyers and advocates who work directly with refugees say they are dismayed by proposed changes to asylum laws included in the Liberals’ new budget bill, calling them a devastating attack on refugee rights in Canada.

The Trudeau government is proposing to prevent asylum seekers from making refugee claims in Canada if they have made similar claims in certain other countries, including the United States.

The proposed changes blindsided refugee advocates and lawyers, who say they would strip human-rights protections from vulnerable refugee claimants.

“In terms of the effect on refugees, the effect is really immeasurable, because we’re now giving refugee claimants a degraded process to go through,” said Maureen Silcoff, the chair of the Canadian Association of Refugee Lawyers’ litigation committee.

The new provision in the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act — which was tucked into 392-page omnibus budget bill tabled Monday evening — introduces a new ground of ineligibility for refugee protection. If an asylum-seeker has previously opened a claim for refugee protection in another country, his or her claim would be ineligible for consideration, alongside people who have already made unsuccessful claims here, been deemed inadmissible because of their criminal records, or been granted refugee protection elsewhere.

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The provision is based on the belief that Canada’s refugee system is similar enough to that of the U.S. that anyone rejected there is likely to be rejected here as well.
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ummm lol does anyone still think this is actually the case with Trump in charge?



Real Change™ u guys
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I think Trudeau will lose.

Conservatives have been manufacturing anger against Trudeau from elbowgate to Arar to SNC.

None of Scheer's skeletons will provoke any emotional response. Sure his far right, pro-life, racist traits will come out but few will care. Conservatives and centrists won't.

Way too much manufactured outrage against the Liberals, just like Wynne or Clinton. It won't matter what they say.

I hope I'm wrong. You've even got women turning their back on JT when the alternative is a pro-life racist asshole.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I’m pretty resigned to him losing at this point too. I just don’t know how he can pull himself out, especially since JWR and Philpott seem to want to twist the knife as much as possible. It’s definitely not what he’s been doing, though lol.

So...I guess the question becomes, how do we manage to hold onto our social programs, etc, during a con majority? Protest as much as possible? I don’t know.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I don’t think they’ll lose. There’s plenty of time between now and the election. His chances are better than Notley’s and I’m still crossing my fingers for her too.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly, some of the fear you guys have is pretty out of proportion considering we've still got almost half a year until a vote happens. Scheer still has to survive actual campaigning during the election and... c'mon, it's Andrew Scheer, Harper had more personality.
And considering where the Tories are in opinion polling compared to where the Liberals were when they won their majority election, they'd need to make some serious gains to get a majority. So minority Tory government is the most likely outcome if they manage to attain government. Mind you, that all depends on whether or not things don't somehow get worse than they already are.
 
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It's way too early to say the LPC will surely lose the next election (the Trudeau government can campaign on some of the issues that it has handled relatively well such as the legalization of recreational marijuana) but their recent decisions are not helping their chances.
 

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I'm personally hoping for a right wing vote split between the CPC and the PPC(Bernier has been suspiciously quiet through all of this), and a Liberal minority government with the NDP as power brokers, it might be our only hope for electoral reform at this point.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Honestly, some of the fear you guys have is pretty out of proportion considering we've still got almost half a year until a vote happens. Scheer still has to survive actual campaigning during the election and... c'mon, it's Andrew Scheer, Harper had more personality.
And considering where the Tories are in opinion polling compared to where the Liberals were when they won their majority election, they'd need to make some serious gains to get a majority. So minority Tory government is the most likely outcome if they manage to attain government. Mind you, that all depends on whether or not things don't somehow get worse than they already are.
My faith in Canadians is low after the Ontario election showed that people will vote for a clear piece of shit as long as they dislike the Liberal candidate. All the piece of shit has to do is keep quiet. Platform and likeability, or lack thereof, meaning absolutely nothing.

I expect to see a repeat in the federal results. My one hope is that Ontario's slow realization of they fuckup they made with Ford will cause the province to vote against the Conservatives federally.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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My faith in Canadians is low after the Ontario election showed that people will vote for a clear piece of shit as long as they dislike the Liberal candidate. All the piece of shit has to do is keep quiet. Platform and likeability, or lack thereof, meaning absolutely nothing.

I expect to see a repeat in the federal results. My one hope is that Ontario's slow realization of they fuckup they made with Ford will cause the province to vote against the Conservatives federally.
Centrists are more likely to not vote than to vote NDP or even Green, who are probably more red than orange.

I have no idea what that does for the math though.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Too early to call it

But yeah sunny ways was a common refrain. Now it's just good old politics. But tbh nothing Trudeau has done has dissuaded me.from changing my gotr
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Some gains nationally for the Greens.


And a .5% gain for the Green in BC and 1.2% drop for the NDP since last week. A nice indicator that adds to the recent trend but still well within the MOE.

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

The upcoming federal byelection in Nanaimo Ladysmith could give the Greens quite a boost going into the next election if Paul Manly gets the win.
Voters having no need to strategically vote to keep the Cons out of power could benefit the Greens.
However, Manly is up against some strong competition. Liberals have a great local candidate but the controversy with JWR and SNC could sour those chances if voters want to send a message. NDP also have an indigenous candidate which could split that part of the vote with the Liberal candidate.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I mean we knew that the RCMP was hilariously incompetent, but even still holy shit come on.

No dedicated federal anti-money laundering police officers working in B.C.: report

The first look at Peter German’s review of money laundering in the province’s housing market has found there are currently no dedicated federal RCMP officers in B.C. investigating criminal money laundering.

As part of his review, German, a former senior RCMP officer, was asked to look into why so few money laundering cases have been investigated or prosecuted in B.C.

“We have accelerated the release of this portion of the report so that the federal government and the public are aware of what is happening to police the international crime groups laundering money through our provincial economy,” Attorney General David Eby said. “What is happening is nothing.”

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Federal Minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction Bill Blair says his government is committing funding to cracking down on money laundering and blames the previous government for there being no dedicated officers.

“Through Budget 2019 our Government brought forward very significant measures not only for funding for improved prosecutions and investigations, but also new legislative measures, that are in direct response to concerns that have been raised by Attorney General David Eby,” Blair said.

“The previous government’s cuts of over $500M from the RCMP’s budget denied them the necessary tools and resources needed to combat organized crime.”

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It is of course being revealed that much as people suspected, there has been an incredible amount of money laundering of drug money going on in BC casinos, which the BC Liberals did nothing about, and if anything actively worked to maintain. There is evidence that the funds from this money laundering went toward real estate purchases, which could be part of the perfect storm that inflated the Vancouver housing bubble.

Some blame to go around to the current Fed government as well I think. They've been caught flat footed on fentanyl and crime and been slow to respond. There's some money appearing now but it's kind of a "too little too late" horse out of the barn situation here.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Is there any daylight between the Conservatives and Liberals on this issue? Seems like the Liberals took over the Conservative talking points here.
After reading the article I don't feel it's inherently bad. The shady thing is that they've pushed the reform in an omnibus bill so people wouldn't notice. This seems more a response to what is happening worldwide than copying the conservative.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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After reading the article I don't feel it's inherently bad. The shady thing is that they've pushed the reform in an omnibus bill so people wouldn't notice. This seems more a response to what is happening worldwide than copying the conservative.
The problem I'm having with this (aside from the omnibus part) is this aspect:

The provision is based on the belief that Canada's refugee system is similar enough to that of the U.S. that anyone rejected there is likely to be rejected here as well.
Does anyone really think this is true any more? I mean this is literally why these people are trying to flee the USA in the first place. The USA right now is putting children in cages.

But yeah the Liberals must have felt this was a liability going into the next election, because with this change they've essentially agreed with the Conservatives and taken this differentiation out of play.
 
Dec 7, 2017
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The problem I'm having with this (aside from the omnibus part) is this aspect:



Does anyone really think this is true any more? I mean this is literally why these people are trying to flee the USA in the first place. The USA right now is putting children in cages.

But yeah the Liberals must have felt this was a liability going into the next election, because with this change they've essentially agreed with the Conservatives and taken this differentiation out of play.
These refugees can still apply for a temporary residence permit if they are denied for a refugee claim. The only thing they have to do is to give enough reason and proof to officer that they are in risk and that they won't be a risk to Canadian society. After that they can apply for an open work permit or permanent residence based on humanitarian grounds. That is usually how it works. They just need to have a proof.

But if those refugees don't have a proof and they came to USA with a tourist visa and then applied for a refugee claim when shit hit the fan and got denied, then Liberals decision is reasonable.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,256
Toronto
What you need to know about Doug Ford's plan for transit in the GTA



So you know that part of the Eglinton West extension that's going to be built underground even though it really doesn't need to be? That's the part that would go right by Doug Ford's house.
My thoughts on the matter.

  1. Thank fuck they are continuing Finch-West & Hurontario
  2. It took them long enough to fix the fuck-up that was cancelling the Sheppard Line half-way through its construction and leaving it as a useless route
  3. Eglinton West, Thank god they are actually going through with doing it. They really need to follow through with the plan of turning Pearson Airport into a Union Station West. Having a secondary major hub will do wonders for the city and allow for much easier Regional and Provincial-wide Transit initiatives (Like High-Speed Rail once a government finally pulls the damn trigger).
    1. It's so stupid that this is underground since there is a perfectly good transit corridor set aside for it right fucking there. But I get Premier Buck-a-Beer doesn't want to ruin his view by even seeing a train.
  4. Scarborough Subway Extension. Such a stupid fucking idea. LRT Would be a trillion times better, more efficient and cost-wise than the subway. But you know what, I'm just fucking tired of fighting this idiotic battle. Just build the damn thing and we'll fix it later with an "I TOLD YOU SO!"
  5. Bleh on the expansion to Richmond Hill. It's called the TTC, not the GTTC. Then again, it's getting uploaded to Metrolinx, so maybe that's a future rebranding initiative
  6. At Least they are building the Relief Line... But why the fuck is it going to Ontario Place, logically that is kneecapping the line by making it go somewhere it doesn't need to go. Just approve the Waterfront LRT, Have it run from Ontario Place to Union Station. Then just stop the Relief Line at Osgoode so that it is ready for Phase 2 which is an eventual extension North-West up to Finch-west and, North-East up to Don Mills.

Other notes:

If they are going to list the Hurontario LRT as part of Greater Toronto/TTC Projects. And if they are blowing billions of needless dollars. The least they could do is throw a couple million extra to take advantage of that train corridor by expanding the Bloor-Danforth west to give a direct connection to the Hurontario LRT Line.

Ontario Place is turning into a Casino. Isn't it. There is no way in hell they are building a Subway to just a park.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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the worst part of the ontario line is it uses completely different tech than the rest of the network

Much like SRT using Vancouver's skytrain trainset, the Ontario Line uses Vancouver's Canada Line trainset.

The SRT was originally going to be LRTs based off TTC streetcars and some conservative shit meddled and we got stuck with a random trainset.

Same shit is happening again.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I feel like LRT is just generally a clusterfuck. Edmonton is going to be in a legal battle right away after firing the contractor who worked on the Metro Line, it’s still a piece of shit after years of delays and issues, and now a new contractor is needed to take over. Fun times.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Toronto
the worst part of the ontario line is it uses completely different tech than the rest of the network

Much like SRT using Vancouver's skytrain trainset, the Ontario Line uses Vancouver's Canada Line trainset.

The SRT was originally going to be LRTs based off TTC streetcars and some conservative shit meddled and we got stuck with a random trainset.

Same shit is happening again.
Conservatives dont even try to hide the fact that they fucking hate Public Transportation. Sure they claim day and night that they care about Efficiencies Whatever the fuck that means. But then they pull shit like using brand new incompatible technology as a massive infrastructure investment, that fundamentally makes transit agencies be less efficient because they now have to build new maintenance facilities and hire/train up new engineers who know how to maintain the damn things.

They're the worst.

I feel like LRT is just generally a clusterfuck. Edmonton is going to be in a legal battle right away after firing the contractor who worked on the Metro Line, it’s still a piece of shit after years of delays and issues, and now a new contractor is needed to take over. Fun times.
It's only a clusterfuck if the politicians make it a clusterfuck. Put LRT on its own right of way, clear space, elevate it or put it underground and it works exactly the same as a standard Metro system.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like LRT is just generally a clusterfuck. Edmonton is going to be in a legal battle right away after firing the contractor who worked on the Metro Line, it’s still a piece of shit after years of delays and issues, and now a new contractor is needed to take over. Fun times.
we need more LRTs, desperately.

Toronto area has 2 major lines in the hurontario and crosstown being built... toronto itself is trying to make the waterfront west LRT

but we really needed transit city and the ford fuckbros really screwed the city... finch west, scarborough-malvern, jane, both waterfront LRTs would have mostly been complete by now
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I’m not saying LRT is bad. Edmonton needs more of it too. I’m mostly saying cities are generally shit at project management so idiotic decisions are to be expected.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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hate Public Transportation. Sure they claim day and night that they care about Efficiencies Whatever the fuck that means. But then they pull shit like using brand new incompatible technology as a massive infrastructure investment, that fundamentally makes transit agencies be less efficient because they now have to build new maintenance facilities and hire/train up new engineers who know how to maintain the damn things
Public transportation projects are just an opportunity for them to cancel, redesign while allowing their friends to Bill "consulting fees" for "the new vision".

I wish people would stop calling them conservative, they're just people who look at government and think "how can we and our friends make money off of this?"
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Public transportation projects are just an opportunity for them to cancel, redesign while allowing their friends to Bill "consulting fees" for "the new vision".

I wish people would stop calling them conservative, they're just people who look at government and think "how can we and our friends make money off of this?"
I’m pretty sure they’re a heaping helping of that AND social conservatism, so the term will continue to apply.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Toronto
I’m not saying LRT is bad. Edmonton needs more of it too. I’m mostly saying cities are generally shit at project management so idiotic decisions are to be expected.
I wouldn't even say that cities are bad at project management. Their City planners are insanely talented and know exactly what needs to be done. That said those plans often run afoul of the politicians at hand, and as a result they just don't get the funding they need to implement those plans. Of which if the politicians weren't the problem, it's the people themselves who live in these municipalities who are, more often than not, bleeding heart NIMBY's. And when all the above isn't true, the municipalities just can't afford to spend money on project because their Provincial overlords kneecap them at every opportunity.
 
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Just like Ford.

Won't take long before regret sets in, if it's anything like Ontario.
You kidding me, it's Alberta. They'll take their bullshit referendum on equalization payments, the Feds will flip them off because it's not their jurisdiction and doesn't cost them a cent, Alberta will bitch, moan, blame the feds for their problems, and continue back to their jobs in God's rightfully given divine sludge holes until the rest of the world leaves them behind. Upon which time they'll bitch that nobody warned them that this would happen.
 
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You kidding me, it's Alberta. They'll take their bullshit referendum on equalization payments, the Feds will flip them off because it's not their jurisdiction and doesn't cost them a fucking cent, Alberta will bitch moan, blame the feds for their problems, and continue back to their jobs in God's rightfully given divine sludge holes until the rest of the world leaves them behind. Upon which time they'll bitch that nobody warned them that this would happen.

And it'll continue on clockwork.
Considering how poorly diversified their economy is, I am kinda curious to see how quickly Calgary will turn into a ghost town when it all falls down.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Considering how poorly diversified their economy is, I am kinda curious to see how quickly Calgary will turn into a ghost town when it all falls down.
Quickly. Really quickly. People are stubborn as hell out here. Listening to election coverage there was an anecdote from a commentator about speaking with a woman who had been employed in the oilfield and hasn’t worked in four years so wants to vote out the NDP. 4 years. Four. Fucking. Years. That’s about 3 years and 3 months longer than required to swallow your pride and switch industries. Or move somewhere else for that matter, if you’re not a fool with your money.
 
Nov 6, 2017
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i take offence at how wide of a brush you guys use when talking about Alberta. Edmonton isn't in on that UCP bandwagon so don't lump us in with cowtown and the rural areas. Unfortunately i live in probably the most Fuck you got mine district in Edmonton so we may end up with a UCP candidate elected here specifically but i would be surprised to see UCP even get a handful of seats.
threatening to cancel the new hospital as well as the new medical test lab is a big no no for the UCP.

when the UCP win please direct your anger to Calgary and the small town Alberta. thanks
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Quickly. Really quickly. People are stubborn as hell out here. Listening to election coverage there was an anecdote from a commentator about speaking with a woman who had been employed in the oilfield and hasn’t worked in four years so wants to vote out the NDP. 4 years. Four. Fucking. Years. That’s about 3 years and 3 months longer than required to swallow your pride and switch industries. Or move somewhere else for that matter, if you’re not a fool with your money.
It's pretty sad but mental health often isn't an easy thing to deal with. Some people recover better from losing everything than others. Moving away isn't always possible if you bought a house and have no buyer for it if the economy in the area crashed too.

As someone from outside the province I can't really blame the people from trying to save their main resource and the base of their economy. I do have an issue with the fact that even after all these years of warnings (EU disapproval of shale gas, pipelines problems, environmental problems) there doesn't seem any plan B actually coming to fruition. There is already an issue regarding finding buyers for the product, transporting it to one shore or the other and actually getting away with how polluting it is. You would think some good leadership would still use the resource as the province and the country need it but start diversifying and investing in something else. The automobile industry is also changing with more and more hybrid and electric models so the clock is ticking. We also have electric or hydrogen cell buses for PT and even garbage truck running on natural gas now so the age of petroleum is slowly but steadily coming to an end.

Like usual when shit hits the fan you start blaming the rest of the world (here the other provinces, BC, QC) and people start to fall down the populist's hole. Throwing a tantrum because of a carbon tax is only delaying the inevitable.

Populist governments are really popular in Canada right now in QC and ON so it would not be uprising if Kenney wins.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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i take offence at how wide of a brush you guys use when talking about Alberta. Edmonton isn't in on that UCP bandwagon so don't lump us in with cowtown and the rural areas. Unfortunately i live in probably the most Fuck you got mine district in Edmonton so we may end up with a UCP candidate elected here specifically but i would be surprised to see UCP even get a handful of seats.
threatening to cancel the new hospital as well as the new medical test lab is a big no no for the UCP.

when the UCP win please direct your anger to Calgary and the small town Alberta. thanks
I’m in Edmonton. What’s your district? I’m curious to see how much success the NDP have in Calgary without vote splitting to benefit them.

Vamphuntr what you say is true but I work alongside plenty of people in that industry who have no mortgage, and spend money like it’s going out of style. It’s hard for me to be sympathetic towards people who clear 6 figures when they fall on their faces when the same people shit all over people who make minimum wage, etc.

This province will follow the same pattern that coal dependent areas in the US have followed. Stagnation, poverty, and stubborn fools drinking the kool-aid charlatan politicians sell them about a return to the glory days rather than getting with the times. We’re already living it watching Kenney’s campaign write cheques it can’t cash with promises he has no way of fulfilling. It’s a preventable slow motion car crash.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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From the Ontario budget:



I'm wondering if the long term plan/hope here is to be able to use the GO tracks to extend the line westwards. Humber Bay Shores should really get some better transit to support the density that's already there and the density that will be built there. Eventually the Ontario Line could even reach the Hurontario LRT being built in Mississauga, extending the Ontario Line beyond the borders of Toronto.
 
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From the Ontario budget:



I'm wondering if the long term plan/hope here is to be able to use the GO tracks to extend the line westwards. Humber Bay Shores should really get some better transit to support the density that's already there and the density that will be built there. Eventually the Ontario Line could even reach the Hurontario LRT being built in Mississauga, extending the Ontario Line beyond the borders of Toronto.
Wouldn't it be nice if it friggin connected to the existing lines?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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http://budget.ontario.ca/2019/chapter-1b.html#s-7

Increasing Accessibility and Affordability

Ontario’s drivers should have more choice when deciding which auto insurance coverage suits their needs. They also deserve to have the same convenience that they have come to expect from modern financial institutions, such as banks and credit unions.

The government’s Putting Drivers First blueprint will give auto insurance companies the flexibility to offer drivers more choices in terms of discounts and coverage options to make their insurance policy more affordable. For example, drivers should have the choice to lower their premiums by allowing insurers to consider their credit history, or by agreeing to use preferred providers of auto repair or health care services.

To make the consumer insurance experience simpler, the government is introducing legislation that, if passed, would allow insurance companies to use electronic communications and electronic commerce to do business with their customers. Ontario drivers will soon be able to use an electronic proof of auto insurance, allowing them to benefit from the same ease and convenience already offered in many other North American jurisdictions. Auto insurance forms, policies and other related documents will also be simplified so that drivers will find it easier to understand the coverage they need and make informed decisions about what they are buying.
 
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http://budget.ontario.ca/2019/chapter-1b.html#section-4

Legalizing Online Gaming in Ontario

It is time to usher Ontario out of the gambling prohibition era and treat the people of Ontario as adults by allowing them to bet on the outcome of a single sporting event. As consumer preferences continue to evolve, many Ontarians gamble using grey-market websites. Today, Ontarians spend an estimated $500 million a year gambling online, with most of that money spent on illegal websites. As a result, the Province intends to establish a competitive market for online legal gambling that will reflect consumer choice while protecting consumers who play on these websites. This will ensure the people of Ontario have access to safe and legal gambling options. The Province plans to consult with key stakeholders to develop a market that reflects consumer preferences, fosters an exciting gaming experience and minimizes the burden on business while ensuring appropriate protections are in place.

A key part of the government’s customer-focused strategy for gambling is the legalization of single event sports wagering. The Province has asked the federal government to make this change and will continue to pressure it to stand up for Ontario consumers.