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Canada PoliERA |OT| Two Years of Sunny Days? That’s Scheer Madness!
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Looking like Saskatchewan where the Sask Party gets 50-60% and the NDP gets 30 - 35%.
Eh?
We're so fucked in the fall, aren't we. We have to suffer like the US did for 4 (8?) years.
Why are we fucked?
Incidentally, the Sask party dominated Sask politics because of the merger between the Liberals and Conservatives...
imo the alberta and ontario results, as well as the huge numbers of right wing nutjobs running amok these days, have me expecting a scheer W
Yep. I have very little hope for the liberals holding on :S
I see no reason to believe Conservative success in Ontario will translate to success for Scheer.
If anything, Ford is pretty despised across the board in the province, which will likely result in a boost for Trudeau.
Alberta was never gonna do anything for the federal Liberals anyways.
very anecdotal observations here but i made a visit to my old highschool in metro van this past week and saw this one teacher with a "make trudeau a drama teacher again" hat (in the style of a MAGA hat) on display in his classroom, and some other teachers got anti political correctness stickers all over the place. hell one dude was deadass reading out jordan peterson's book to his class. shameful as hell
and don't even get me started on what's going down on university campuses with the conservative "free speech" chud clubs
this fall is gonna suck smh
i appreciate the optimism
i'm just pessimistic as hell right now with everything
and don't even get me started on what's going down on university campuses with the conservative "free speech" chud clubs
this fall is gonna suck smh
i appreciate the optimism
i'm just pessimistic as hell right now with everything
For people who follow Alberta politics more closely, what do you think is the most likely scenario
A - UCP rolls back many of NDP's changes
B - UCP rolls back a few token changes but leaves most in place and later takes credit for their success
C, D, E - something else?
A - UCP rolls back many of NDP's changes
B - UCP rolls back a few token changes but leaves most in place and later takes credit for their success
C, D, E - something else?
They've got a majority. They're rolling most of it back. It's what this stupid province wants. Unlike Ontario where the electorate is overwhelmingly left leaning, this province is the opposite. Why is it always the right that can put their differences aside in order to win? They lose one election and they vow to never let it happen again. Why can't the Liberals and NDP do the same thing in Ontario as well?
Because it's split between the Liberals and NDP. (And Greens now too.)
I've said as much during that whole SNC bullshit.
So many folks here went from 0-100 on a "scandal" that has zero impact on them or any other province outside of Quebec.
Outrage culture seems to hit Left-leaning parties harder.
Holy shit ContraWars, I forgot you existed. So odd to see you in here right now, I didn't take you for a braggart.
SushiX A) progress is being rolled back for sure. We live in the West Virginia of Canada. A place slowly going down the toilet while lucid dreaming about the past.
SushiX A) progress is being rolled back for sure. We live in the West Virginia of Canada. A place slowly going down the toilet while lucid dreaming about the past.
And in Alberta the Wild Rose and Cons split too, lost one election because of it, and formed Con-Voltron in order for such a thing to never happen. The right understand that no matter how they differ in regards to their batshit beliefs, the left is worse in their eyes. We have parties on the left and centre-left who gleefully wish for the Cons to win if they can't, just so they can shore up support in the election afterwards.
Yuuuuuuup.
NDP should fuck-off at this point.
Their existence seems to only result in political losses for left-leaning demographics in this country.
I was referring to both the NDP and the Liberals actually. The shit show in Ontario is partly the fault of Liberal voters. I don't care if the NDP sucks at running a campaign. If you know the Liberals are going to be blown out of the water, why would you vote for them knowing doing so helps the Cons? Again, the right view any left party as the enemy, and will work together if it means preventing such parties from winning. We would rather take shots at each other all day and allow Cons to win, than to view them the same way they view us.
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They are the only left leaning party with any votes in Alberta. The liberals are pathetic here.
They're referring to national politics and not what's happening in Alberta.
Our POS Westminster system encourages a 2 party system like the USA. Trash tier at actually properly representing an electorate.
The Alberta party is pathetic too. It doesn't seem like there are any serious 3 horse races west of Ontario. MB has NDP / PC, SK has Sask / NDP, AB has NDP / UCP and B.C. is closest to a 3 horse race with Green, NDP and Lib.
For better or worse, Left-leaning folks are a lot less tribalistic than their Right-wing counterparts.
I personally think that's a mistake, but that's usually because I view politics like a sport.
Pick a side and stay loyal, unless something truly catastrophic compels you to consider other options.
The bar for switching party allegiance is pretty high for Conservatives apparently~~~
I think part of it is that what the right want to implement at least on the social level, is designed to ruin the lives of others. It's not about improving their own lives, but rather destroying the lives of people they hate. So even though the might disagree as to what degree and severity such policies should be, they will still view each other far more favourably than any left leaning party being in office.
It's easy to join up when hate is your central tenant.
The far right is more tribal because bigots have been pushed underground for a long time.
Now that the left is under assault we might see some call to arms, out of desperation if anything.
Kind of like how AOC emerged in the US due to Trump.
Well I can only hope.
I'm not a fan of the LPC backing away from electoral reform either but this has literally nothing to do with the federal government. Even if it went through on the federal level, Alberta's provincial elections would be operating under FPTP unless the current government adopted a PR electoral system.
Celebrating bigots seizing a majority in one of Canada's largest provinces to own the libs.
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So have all the early vote ballots been counted? I was reading somewhere that because they allowed voters to vote for their riding at any of the early voting centres, the full count might not be completed till tomorrow. Alberta blew past the last early vote record in the first day of voting.
Ontario proved that Liberals are more likely to vote Conservative or not at all than vote NDP. There is left to unite.
700k early votes but 500k were done in-riding, so those were counted tonight. The 200k out of riding votes will be counted tomorrow.
Why would he? Conservatives winning every so often is to the Liberals, the same thing as the machines wiping Zion out and resetting the simulation was to the Matrix. It's part of the program. Then after they fuck things up for awhile, a new Neo is spit out to rally people behind, Zion is built back up again, and sooner or later the machines (Cons) come to destroy it. Rinse and repeat.
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Pretty much. Conservatives and liberals both love this system. Liberals prefer to have the occasional conservative governments to the horror of people not being pushed to vote for them as a anything but conservative option. In the long run its better for their party, and that's all that really matters.
Forever locked in this bullshit effectively 2 party system. Going to keep organizing and pushing people to do the right thing, but I'm also gonna get my money up to ensure that dipshits have a more muted effect on the people I care about
Great job to the jackasses, ad nhope yall who knew better stay up. You'll be able to weather the storm
Great job to the jackasses, ad nhope yall who knew better stay up. You'll be able to weather the storm
My conservative friend is loving this, he wants the blue wave to crush Trudeau.
I'm not looking forward to being crushed by Scheer.
I'm not looking forward to being crushed by Scheer.
There's no such thing as a blue wave federally. It's apathy and stupidity that allows them to sneak back in to power.
We go 0-100 because we know that Left-leaning parties can not survive controversy. In this environment they get voted in to fix people shit, but because they get elected in when everything has already gone to hell, they get all the blame for not fixing things fast enough. So they burn through their good will early and the slightest controversy makes people wonder why they elected them to begin with.
If you are a left leaning party you have to work your fucking ass off. And if you aren't, you will elect a Conservative the next go around. That's the truth. There is no ifs ands or buts about it.
The Conservatives would love nothing more than a Two Party System. They fucking dream of the day that they can steal word for word the fucking USA's strategy of not compromising and goading the left-leaning "centralist" party into picking up their policies, and having their enemy enact their policy in the name of "compromise"
Literally our multi-party system IS THE ONLY THING protecting us from being just as bad, if not worse than the USA right now.
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