NDP, or at least their supporters, seem to have a penchant for painting with broad strokes. It’s hard to imagine a lot of the NDP supporting youth want things like student debt forgiveness, etc. for reasons that aren’t “selfish”.
Look at Scheer's election plan:
People who already have jobs, a house(lol) but "aren't getting ahead".The 2019 campaign could empathize with voter unease about the cost of living rather than argue with Liberals about the broader state of an economy that is, after all, providing plenty of jobs. “There’s this feeling that people are working harder. They’ve got jobs and they have a house. They’re doing everything right, but they’re not getting further ahead,” Marshall says. “It’s a very different kind of economic disquiet from the way you think of it with Jean Chrétien and ‘jobs, jobs, jobs’ in 1993.”
I'm in the same boat.
Ah, gotcha. Maybe I misread the tone of your post then because we seem to be in agreement. The NDP really need to hone their messaging into something that seems more inclusive rather than condescending. I’m all for paying more taxes for services for everyone, but the vast majority of my coworkers wouldn’t be. We live the majority of the year hundreds of km away from our friends and families working 70-100+ hours a week. The money is great, but it certainly isn’t all rainbows and unicorns so a more compelling talking point than “they can afford to pay more” is obviously pretty important.
Even your typical upper middle class 6 figure earning family isn't going to be negatively impacted by that. The most significant impact would be the cap gains tax changes, but most middle class people will have the bulk of their investments in RRSPs and TFSAs which are shielded from cap gains taxes.For the highest income individuals in Canada (those making over $210,000), we will increase the top marginal tax rate by two points to 35 percent, raising over half a billion dollars annually. Those at the very top – super-rich multi-millionaires with over $20 million in wealth – will be asked to pay more towards our shared services with a one percent wealth tax generating several billion dollars annually.
To make our tax system fairer and more progressive, a New Democrat government will also increase the amount of investment profits subject to capital gains taxation to 75 percent, the rate that was in place in 2000. This will generate almost $3 billion more in government revenue every year to fund the services Canadians need, like pharmacare, child care, education, and housing.
You're absolutely correct.
LOL, I mean, I make 90K per year cause I'm selfish. Not because I worked had to get a graduate degree off of my mom's hair dresser income.
Until someone solves crab mentality we are doomed.It's funny how quick we turn on each other when we finally achieve the modicum of success we're trying to give to each other. Maybe one day I'll get my Mercedez instead of my rusting shitbox of a Ford I got on sale.
I say again, what kind of a politcal party does the NDP want to be, or the supporters for that matter? And who are they trying to attract?
They don't have to divide society. They just have to divide the left.
Exactly. And when people lump the middle class in with the “selfish people who don’t pull their weight” they’re really just insulting people who are barely more successful than they are, and far and away from being the 1%. The average Canadian family is pretty fucking broke from my point of view and I would never raise children on the median income in this country.
The NDP needs to get good at messaging (lmao releasing their platform on Fathers Day) but we gotta recognize the reality that the entire media and business apparatus is against them and actively tries to hold them down. We saw this in play for decades in BC provincial politics, where incredible media concentration (both major papers Vancouver Sun and tabloid Province owned by the National Post) was leveraged to constantly raise the spectre of the 'terrible 90s era NDP' which would 'destroy the economy' 'fast ferries etc'. Of course once the BC NDP squeaked into power none of this foreseen awful events occurred and BC remains the shining star of the best economy in Canada.If the NDP want to learn how to get a message out and can broaden their support instead of continually plunging I’m all for it, but maybe they should take a page out of the Liberal campaign playbook because working hard for the middle class and those working hard to join it sounds a lot better to most people than the (unfair) spin that gets put on anything orange that lazy jobless people and university kids feel entitled to everything and that working people will have to pay for it. I realize that isn’t the case for what the NDP goal is but they’re tarred and feathered pretty heavily.
NDP need to speak directly to the people and bypass media.
Sanders is doing it by dragging the party left, like the "squad". They have no real power otherwise. I'd be fine with the NDP dissolving and the party membership infecting the Liberals at this point and dragging them left, but I don't see that happening.
To be fair, he's right in that there is racism in the media because everyone seems to have forgiven Scheer for being friends white nationalists and Nazis.The left doesn't have the luxury of being able to sell believable lies though. That's the big issue. As we are increasingly facing cuts at different levels coast to coast it's really difficult to sell ideas requiring huge amount of funding while pretending there won't be fiscal consequences for the "middle class". As soon as you start to announce your ideas your opponents will label them as more or less a tax increase which is a stigma for the public or at the very least will be seen as a burden to the economy.
With an ever approaching recession be ready for quite a different campaign this fall.
As for Singh it seems like a lost cause. He isn't charismatic and he seems out of the loop on major issues. His reveal interview where he boasted about his love for luxury and his million dollar home in Toronto was quite the misfire for the leader of a socialist party. The whole debacle about him showing up at radical Sikh's rallies and requiring an ungodly amount of time to explain was just another issues that shouldn't have been if they had vetted him up properly or got rid of the issue upfront.
The NDP will be faced with another issue when he crash and burn though. Who will want to take over the party's ruins?
This is an example of the media bias in a nutshell. How did the Liberal party pay for its promises? It didn't of course. This current government simply went into massive deficit and the media didn't bat an eye.The left doesn't have the luxury of being able to sell believable lies though. That's the big issue. As we are increasingly facing cuts at different levels coast to coast it's really difficult to sell ideas requiring huge amount of funding while pretending there won't be fiscal consequences for the "middle class". As soon as you start to announce your ideas your opponents will label them as more or less a tax increase which is a stigma for the public or at the very least will be seen as a burden to the economy.
I would always be admonished on the old site for thinking that the third party is irrelevant by a former mod (lol), but I just think the NDP is at best an interesting protest party.
He's dragging the party left but he was running rallies and explaining socialist policies to the voters.
The problem is that I don't think there's anywhere for the NDP to grow. The fact that Quebec was just an artificial protest vote proved that (and trying to be a "federalist-sovereigntist" party under Mulcair did them no favours).He's dragging the party left but he was running rallies and explaining socialist policies to the voters.
He'd never have anywhere near the amount of support if he let the MSM do the talking for him.
If Singh really believed in this, he'd be engaging the voterbase directly.
Well if you want to discuss the NDP ceiling in Canada that's another issue but consider:The problem is that I don't think there's anywhere for the NDP to grow. The fact that Quebec was just an artificial protest vote proved that (and trying to be a "federalist-sovereigntist" party under Mulcair did them no favours).
Maybe the NDP can win back some Toronto ridings, like Jack's and Olivia's old ridings, but that doesn't really do anything to the electoral math. There's no path to government since there is a natural ceiling to left-wing support in Canada.
Given where the world is right now, this is basically how the world is adapting to the slow failure of neoliberal economic policy and capitalism. The message isn't that the system is failing the people, it's that external influences are dragging down our middle class way of life and we need to "protect ourselves" in order to maintain our white picket fences and two SUV lifestyles.Well if you want to discuss the NDP ceiling in Canada that's another issue but consider:
- How many people vote Liberal because they're ABC voters (like me)
- How many people think NDP would just raise taxes and inflate the deficit and be fiscally irresponsible?
I'd say the ceiling is fairly low right now but NDP should have been playing the long game and working to expand it. Layton did better.
The entire capitalist system will work together to destroy any uptick in socialism, you have to fight against that which is hard but your ceiling is artificially low.
The only other scenario is a massive collapse like the Great Depression which is how FDR got in.
Either capitalism collapses or you educate the people on how rigged the system is against them. You can't just go out every 4 years and run a lukewarm campaign and shrug your shoulders when you get 15% of the vote.
Of course if/when the system collapses the right will go full fascist(which is where the USA is at).
It's going to come down between socialism and fascism eventually.Given where the world is right now, this is basically how the world is adapting to the slow failure of neoliberal economic policy and capitalism. The message isn't that the system is failing the people, it's that external influences are dragging down our middle class way of life and we need to "protect ourselves" in order to maintain our white picket fences and two SUV lifestyles.
I don't think it's all that surprising that Toronto is mostly an orange Liberal town in aggregate, particularly given how people are being priced out. I mean we're about to give Google a big part of the waterfront to let them do with as they wish, so... yeah. lolRepeating myself from the last page here but the popularity of Sanders and AOC shows there's heaps of room for them to grow because the fundamental message is appealing. Their individual policies (eg. wealth tax) poll insanely well.
If we're literally just looking at this upcoming election then the growth areas that will be focused on are definitely the GTA and urban areas in Atlantic Canada. It's basically inconceivable that a progressive city like old Toronto would not throw a few seats of support toward a Social Democratic Party like the NDP and so that has to change.
There might be something here because I do remember that CBC story where support for Trudeau and the Liberals has dropped significantly, but they end up more like me - completely disaffected and thinking that the system as a whole is a failure rather than seeing an alternative to vote form. Here's where I think a new leader would definitely be a win.
I don't know enough about Quebec to know if there's a socialist base there that is also federalist and will resist things like the ban on religious symbols. I just assume there isn't based on the provincial politics of parties like QS (who I guess I would align with the most if I lived in Quebec and didn't care if Quebec stayed in Canada or not lol).Quebec support is not likely to expand in the near future or at least not via the route that the NDP under Layton lucked into. If NPD support increases it will be by leveraging the growing Quebec Solidaire base.
I don't think there's a near term path to a majority, which would require securing significant in roads in suburban Canada, but the NDP could make an impact in forcing a minority government that requires their support.
Our system is so weird that at the moment, even if there was a strong socialist voice that garnered support, both parties could effectively govern without listening to them. You basically have to pray for a BC situation where it's so close that they would effectively need a coalition government.It's going to come down between socialism and fascism eventually.
Left wingers let the right wing define the narrative. You need people like AOC and Sanders who can cut through the bullshit. Capitalists own the media and set the narrative.
I think you'd need a left wing populist at this point to expand your voters and break through the right wing think tank propaganda and media BS.
Singh is no champion of the cause unfortunately.
Boutique tax credits lol.A spokesperson for Andrew Scheer confirmed in an email statement that the Tory leader would not move ahead with the tax credit because of the large budget deficits recorded by the Trudeau government in recent years.
“As a result of Trudeau’s budget mess, Mr. Scheer will not move ahead with the tax credit for independent schools at this time,” Daniel Schow told iPolitics.
During the 2017 leadership campaign, Scheer promised to offer a $4,000 income tax deduction for parents who send their kids to private schools.
In recent weeks, the Liberals and other critics have raised the plan in warning against voting for the Tories, arguing the tax credit would cost billions of dollars per year and was an unnecessary subsidy to already wealthy parents.
No joke. The thought of PP losing his seat floats my boat.
Doubtful. Steven Harper was one of the largest proponents of Proportional Representation... Before he got elected. The Conservative track record on this is as bad, if not worse than the Liberals
If that rat fuck weasel bastard loses his seat I’ll cry tears of joy. Raitt being gone would be the icing on the cake.
Yep, I know the reality of the situation but I’ll keep my fingers crossed.