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Canada PoliERA |OT| Two Years of Sunny Days? That’s Scheer Madness!
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I lived through Pierre Trudeau, Clark, Mulroney, Chretien, Martin, Harper and now Justin
the ony thing YOU PEOPLE must get through your heads is that this is the norm while operating in Parliament.
This notion that politicians should be pius, righteous and pure is a mythology. Government is about managing a country and making difficult decisions weighed on different factors.
Justin Trudeau weighed on the side of protecting jobs, and I personally think that that is more important than academic, latte sipping righteousness that would cost hard working Canadians thousands of jobs.
sometimes, you must break some eggs to make an omelette and the includes lame ethics. Sometimes, you get to get dirty to get the shit done.
what would you have done in his shoes?
IMO, our PM did the right thing. He's speaking skills sucks, and he says dumb shit but he did the right thing at the end of the day in protecting those jobs.
ahhhhh
I lived through Pierre Trudeau, Clark, Mulroney, Chretien, Martin, Harper and now Justin
the ony thing YOU PEOPLE must get through your heads is that this is the norm while operating in Parliament.
This notion that politicians should be pius, righteous and pure is a mythology. Government is about managing a country and making difficult decisions weighed on different factors.
Justin Trudeau weighed on the side of protecting jobs, and I personally think that that is more important than academic, latte sipping righteousness that would cost hard working Canadians thousands of jobs.
sometimes, you must break some eggs to make an omelette and the includes lame ethics. Sometimes, you get to get dirty to get the shit done.
what would you have done in his shoes?
IMO, our PM did the right thing. He's speaking skills sucks, and he says dumb shit but he did the right thing at the end of the day in protecting those jobs.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I just thought your last post was very reminiscent of Palpatine. I don't think even Trudeau thinks like that.
So at what point does it become wrong?
Should we let any crooked corporation get away with murder because of Canadian jobs? What if they just stop paying taxes or break all sorts of labor laws?
Should we do arms deals with Saudi Arabia if it means jobs?
Seems you're teetering close to fascism where the line between government and corporations is almost non-existent.
I wasn't replying to you actually,
I found your post funny
(I did invoke Palpatine, hehehe)
it's just that the 3rd place Lefty-Left are getting orgasms seeing Trudeau get into trouble and getting annoying about it
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But it's fine when Liberals had orgasms about Harper shitting the bed? lol
Once upon a time there was a party.
The "Natural Governing Party" as the legends once say.
They lost an election, and fell into disarray.
On the brink of extinction, they often attacked without reason.
And behaved in the exact same way as the third place today.
Well for SNC Lavalin, the people involved in the Libya scandal are long gone. The company has since tried to do better (supposedly, that's what I gathered). You can't punish the people who are currently there for something that was done by a previous regime. And it is about jobs, I see people saying that who cares about corporations or someone else will take SNC Lavalin's place if they go belly up. But newsflash, there won't be a successor just like Nortel or the Avro Company. And deferred plea agreements are completely fine, many governments use them all the time. In the US, both parties have used them time and time again. Yes, America is pro-corporation but it's not a left/right issue.
The arms deal was under Harper, and it was only recently that Western countries have grown a backbone when dealing with Saudi Arabia, and that's all because of MBS being so reckless.
I just wanted to point those out.
The problem is whether or not you think Canada should have an independent justice system or if the government should be able to decide who is guilty and who is innocent.
totally doesn't have an agenda no sir... hope she get defeated in the coming election
The PMO wasn't trying to decide the guilt or innocence of SNC, they acted on the behalf of the thousands of poor bastards that are slogging it out every day in the trenches just like the rest of us with their decent enough paying jobs. Should the PMO just say fuck all those poor bastards and their families that helped to elect the government for something those workers I'm sure had no say in whatever it was the executive decided to do on their own?
We're seeing a similar situation with the print media companies in Canada as well. Most here think Postmedia should die an evil death, but what of the thousands of poor bastards that have no say in what comes out of the Postmedia ivory tower in Toronto and their continued slide to the right? A good portion of those people have been with the company since the Southam days working in decent enough paying jobs, but fuck them they can get other decent enough paying jobs in print media in Canada? It was another Harper decision that allowed US ownership to come in and takeover the financial ownership of Postmedia, and here we are today. Fuck all those people and their families that have spent a career with the company, which also allows them to spend a career paying taxes, or come up with a $600 million+ contingency fund that will help print media make the transition toward an all digital future.
Is it all right, is it all wrong... I don't fucking know at such a basic level, but I do know that we don't live in such a black and white world. For me I'd say there is at least some merit in the choices made by the PMO, such that there is some value in thinking of those that would feel the real impact if "fuck that company/industry/whatever" were the only answer. Call it the Too Big to Fail Conundrum... bail out the banks, too big to fail... bail out the auto industry, too big to fail... bail out the ship builders in the Maritimes, too big to fail... bail out the logging industry, too big to fail... bail out the farmers, too big to fail... bail out the oil industry, too big to fail... bail out SNC/tech industry, too big to fail. Fuck me Harper even tried to bail out the asbestos industry stooping to the level of attending a BBQ on Canada Day, of all days, that was put on by the CEO of the last remaining asbestos mining company in Quebec.
The point being this is the shit that every PMO has to face/will face with every government... it isn't deciding guilt or innocence, it's putting those that elected them in the first place as their primary concern, and do keep in mind the government knows full well that not everyone in these companies or industries voted for them. Or to put that another way for those that are cynical enough... protecting those that pay taxes first, because the government always gotta get that dolla dolla.
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Harper created the Ethics Commissioner so if you really think about it, this is ALL HARPER'S FAULT!!!
I suppose I'm a socialist who believes in UBI, so I'd be fine if the government nationalized every industry and just paid everyone to work if that's the rabbit hole we want to go down. lol
But like, even ignoring the question of whether or not the PMO is allowed to tell the top lawyer to prosecute a case, Oshawa just lost thousands of jobs recently and the Federal government didn't try to step in this time around even though they basically bought GM back during the big recession. So does Trudeau care more about Quebec jobs than Ontario jobs? What's the calculus there when buying a GM plant is probably at least less ethically grey than what he did with SNC Lavalin?
I don't deny there are tough choices, and I have so little faith in Canadian democracy anyway that I don't really care if we want to remove the separation of powers between the government and the judiciary. Hell, at this point I wouldn't care if Trudeau decided to personally write a note to the judge handling the Meng case to release her to try to save China relations if that was actually an option. But you don't get to say "we're doing politics differently (tm)" when you are literally doing politics the same as everyone else.
HARPER PLAYING 5D CHESS!!!!!!!!!
False. This is what the system has moved toward, but the basis of the system is that we elect local MPs who then determine who will be government. If you notice, there isn't even any mentioned of parties in the constitution. We could have 100% independent MPs and the country would still function the same way.
Obviously many people vote for the PM and don't even know or don't care who their local MP is (people like you), and other people (like me) care about their local MP. I will be voting for Ralph Goodale this fall as my MP, but I'd prefer if Trudeau was not PM. Though I do want a Liberal or NDP government.
Cross-posting from the other thread, in response to a comment comparing PM Trudeau to Campaign Mode Trudeau:
He won't be able to get away with it this time on the campaign trail.
Now that people have had a good look at him, he's gonna be heavily scrutinized going forward.
God help us if he makes another monumental campaign promise, but proceeds to break it.
At that point, I wouldn't even blame anyone for defecting to the opposition.
He won't be able to get away with it this time on the campaign trail.
Now that people have had a good look at him, he's gonna be heavily scrutinized going forward.
God help us if he makes another monumental campaign promise, but proceeds to break it.
At that point, I wouldn't even blame anyone for defecting to the opposition.
Crossposted from the Trudeau thread. I'm not sure if this is a case of saying anything to defend the LPC or there's some gaps in the report from a legal perspective.
You joke but the cretin is not out of the game just yet: Stephen Harper Heads a Global Org That Helps Get Right-Wing Parties Elected
Noooo don't do it yet. It'll make me cry :'(
I was so positive a week ago. It's just totally crashed again.
I'd wait until September. No one is paying attention during summer.Does this look natural to anyone?
Alright, think it's about time for me to put together the Canada Elections ERA Thread.
I'd also use the same banner this topic is using.
I remember when he started the firm. I had no idea it was still going... lol
The election is about 9 weeks away. I think now is exactly the right time to get that thread started.
Also i'll probably do just that since I can't think of another image for the banner outside of Yvon of the Yukon frozen in ice.
You could literally just post only the banner, and the point of the thread will have been adequately expressed.
True but the mods would probably lock it so...guess i'll take the piss out of the CPC and tell everyone to vote Rhino.
Let me put this in perspective for you. Even after the Nigel Wright affair Harper was still polling above all other leaders into 2015 election. What did him in was his dog whistling to the racist wing and his association to the Ford's. The recession didn't help either.
These scandals barely register as a ballot question when it comes to it. Campaigns do matter.
LOL. Watch this unfold the exact opposite of what i just implied...
Does this look natural to anyone?
Alright, think it's about time for me to put together the Canada Elections ERA Thread.
Nightmarish stuff
To be fair, Trudeau just repeating "well, I did it to save jobs!" is going to be good enough for most people lol.
I'm going to repeat how Justin is a bit like Trump in nature in that he can be a little shallow/glib and still get away with a lot of stuff despite the haters--and this is kind of a blessing to have given that we as a country have to deal with negotiating with Trump. On the other hand, he is actually empathetic and generally progressive, so he's a lot better and I'm glad he's playing for "our side".
I'm going to repeat how Justin is a bit like Trump in nature in that he can be a little shallow/glib and still get away with a lot of stuff despite the haters--and this is kind of a blessing to have given that we as a country have to deal with negotiating with Trump. On the other hand, he is actually empathetic and generally progressive, so he's a lot better and I'm glad he's playing for "our side".
Don't jinx it. :(
Hoping the continued "association to the Fords" does Scheer in. :S
I think the problem for the conservatives right now is the SNC scandal was covered so breathlessly for weeks back when it first came out that people, and maybe even the media, are burnt out on it.
That's the thing. Dion's report doesn't even add anything new from what has already been laid out. He just drew a conclusion and made it official. Do what you will with it and Trudeau gets a $500 fine.
At the end of the day, it's the difference between sheer and the CPC or Trudeau and the liberals.
Yeah, at this point you either think Trudeau is corrupt or you don't (or don't care), and this probably doesn't move the needle too much. Hopefully...
Fuckin PnP and the whole of the CBC aren't done with it in the slightest. I actually like Vassy but I'm so sick of them harping on this shit over and over and mostly leaving the cons alone. How about you do a news story on their repeated lies instead?
It's always funny seeing CBC bashed as being biased in the tank for the Liberals while they have covered this story and other scandals repeatedly for hours day in day out.
From what I've observed, they've always been hard on whoever is in government. The Duffy coverage was crazy too.
From what I've observed, they've always been hard on whoever is in government. The Duffy coverage was crazy too.
I'd say it's a perfectly legitimate story for a show like PnP to cover. The question is are they still talking about it a week from now.
Also Rosie is still the GOAT PnP host
No big deal here right, just a corporation getting the government to write legislation specifically designed to bail themselves out of criminal wrongdoing.
It's like the most cynical partisan stereotype of corporate worshiping Liberals has come to life.
Meanwhile here's a good policy idea going forward :
You'd think you wouldn't have to explicitly make a rule against this, but apparently some people can't figure it out for themselves.
NDP kick Nantel out of the NDP for treacherously flirting with the Green Party
Agreements and Disagreements aside. I applaud the NDP for kicking out an MP who is treacherously working and flirting with a competitive party.
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LOL Nantel is openly souvrenist and has hinted to run for the Bloc in the past, now he wants to be Green because the NDP is down in the poll.s
IMO fuck this guy. But I blame Thomas Mulcair for recruiting separatists and nationalists.
But anyway, good on the NDP for kiciking this guy out of the party. A party waffler is the worst type of candidate you can have.
Agreements and Disagreements aside. I applaud the NDP for kicking out an MP who is treacherously working and flirting with a competitive party.
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LOL Nantel is openly souvrenist and has hinted to run for the Bloc in the past, now he wants to be Green because the NDP is down in the poll.s
IMO fuck this guy. But I blame Thomas Mulcair for recruiting separatists and nationalists.
But anyway, good on the NDP for kiciking this guy out of the party. A party waffler is the worst type of candidate you can have.
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Just watch the conservatives pass legislation that makes fossil fuel industry not accountable for cleaning up the oil sands and leaving tax payers with the bill.
I just hate that the company rallying against Liberal corruption is the
That's synonymous with accomplishing nothing in most cases. Especially as an independent.
But in a Westminster parliamentary system in this day and age we mostly elect trainee monkeys who are whipped into obeying the ringleader.
But as someone who has a cabinet member as their MP your vote has a bit more cachet to it. Those of us who get to vote for backbenchers vote for a party, or have uncompetitive ridings and vote for no real reason at all.
I'm a big fan of Vassy but I'm so fucking sick of hearing JWR on her soapbox talking about all these "relevations" (yes, relevations).
LOL, especially these appropriately timed revelations. When's your new book coming out? Oh... right before the election.
No wonder it takes so long to litigate court cases in Canada, she takes too long to make her case.
I don't mind PnP but I find Rachel Curran and Jen Gerson absolutely insufferable. i mean Tim Powers (or even stockwell on a good day) I find tolerable.
What I don't understand are the use of political partisans to litigate these issues. They contribute nothing in furthering discussion. CBC producers trying to copy the worst parts of CNN is what stopped me from watching. The only interesting parts are the reporting at the first half.
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