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Canada PoliERA |OT| Two Years of Sunny Days? That’s Scheer Madness!
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I wonder if my riding may actually be in play
Wait and see what other polls say before getting too optimistic
It's all good Ottawa got a new train!...
We didn't buy a hockey arena. Yah i went there!
Yah, I gather there wouldn't be so much cuts to Ontario services that the CPC would consider to be more viable. I still don't really subscribe to the idea that provincial-federal governments (particularly Ontario) counterbalance each other, but could be wrong on that.
Growing up in the 1990s, my perception of Rex Murphy was that he was a bit of an amusing curmudgeon. Was he always a noxious reactionary and I just didn't notice at the time?
Of course PostMedia has to sow the seeds of antifeminism and conspiracy as part of their new directive against Trudeau.
Conservative media screaming "Liberal bias" is funny.
It's like an alt right troll wrote that article.
Rex's conspiracy angle about women and feminists resenting men and planning then celebrating shutting out men from jobs in the journalism industry is the type of shit that reads like it's part of a hate manifesto.
As for the debate, I'll wait until after to decide about the moderation.
The type of argument Murphy makes could easily be refuted by Grade 10.
Which brings up voting age. With elections being only every 5 years there is only a portion of 16/17 y/o per generation that would be voting in federal elections. They are stake holders in the future. I somewhat support lowering the age and welcome the study and discussion.
The most useful thing about it may be as a study in fallacy.
Which brings up voting age. With elections being only every 5 years there is only a portion of 16/17 y/o per generation that would be voting in federal elections. They are stake holders in the future. I somewhat support lowering the age and welcome the study and discussion.
It's interesting that many of the arguments against allowing children to vote were also used against allowing women to vote. Things like "under developed brains" and "being under the influence of men".
On the whole I'm fine with the voting age as it is -- there's consistency to setting it at the age of legal majority for most things.
There are absolutely plenty of 16-year-olds who I'd be fine trusting with a ballot, though, moreso than many people over the voting age who do have one. I do wonder how many 16-year-olds would actually vote, for that matter; probably that number would be disproportionately drawn from those very-engaged people.
That's the other thing, since no one votes anyway it probably wouldn't matter. lol
It would benefit the cons considering they got pro life kids voting on party candidate nominations.
UCP voting limit is 14.
I don't see how that follows.
Obviously there are plenty of future Tory voters among the under-18 set, but on the whole the younger generations are more small-l liberal than their predecessors. The young voting would, in theory, be especially big for the Green Party.
Children are ideologues, idealistic and lack pragmatism, lack long term vision, easily pandered with candy
Children shouldn't vote
Children shouldn't vote
"say NO to Masse immigration"
Maxime Bernier campaign adds propping up in Quebec City
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Also conservatives literally go to these Christian schools and get them to write in a social conservative candidate. There's no such political activism on the left.
Same deal with politics and church congregations.
Bernier evidently hasn't looked at the demographics or voting returns of Halifax, or else he'd realize he's wasting money.
It seems like losing the CPC leadership race broke him.
Now he went off and established his fringe party and is desperate trying to set it apart from Scheer.
There's an entire right wing media circle of bullshit being built.
Meant to drown out progressives and the left while promoting xenophobia, racism and social conservatism.
Meanwhile kids are the ones that are going to have to rescue humanity from the shit show we're leaving them and have absolutely no say in their future.
I don't know... I would have voted conservative in high school because I liked the color blue more than the color red and the green party didn't exist yet.
I didn't learn a thing about politics until university.
Since we seem to skirt with 60% turnout anyway, I assume kids who are disinterested will act exactly the same as adults who are disinterested - they won't bother showign up.
Given that we don't have mandatory voting, I just don't think the "educated voter" thing matters as an excuse because they literally don't have to vote and we make it hard enough that someone has to put some kind of effort to actually do it.
I've always thought that 16 should be the minimum age to vote. In fact, the requirement should be at minimum highschool aged, and we should tie it into the Highschool Cirriculum through enhanced civics classes. Hell, since Highschool is 4 years, and the election cycle runs on 4 year runs, You can even go a step further and make participation on either a Municipal, Provincial or Federal Level a requirement to graduate. Or at the very least heavily encouraged moreso than today through a combination of making the schools official polling stations so they have no excuse not to do it.
The reason behind this is simple. Science shows that the earlier that you get someone participating in the democratic process, the more likely they are going to continue voting the rest of their lives. And also from a progressive standpoint, the science also shows that Youth are more likely to vote for progressive candidates. Millenials vote heavily NDP, Green and Liberal. Generation Z is showing to continue that metric by being even more in favour of the NDP and Greens.
From the societal perspective, not only is it more democratic to enable more people to vote, but you are laying the foundations to keep more people engaged in the process as a whole. And from the perspective of a progressive, it is even more-so that you should be in favour of it considering the opposition to the "progressive agenda".
It would be neat if a project you had to do was explain why you are voting for a specific candidate and then your "deliverable" is actually voting. It would be the most hands on civics class ever and be as "real" as the weird Home Ec and shop classes I was forced to take. lol
Heck, it doesn't even have to be a project where you explain why you are voting for a specific candidate. It could even be why you are not voting for a specific candidate either. Or an indepth analysis of the various platforms of every candidate. Just anything to get them into the mindset of thinking about the election in a critical manner. Which would further reinforce in their minds that elections need to be taken seriously.
The schools could even use it as an excuse to host a local debate for the candidates running in that specific riding/district for that election. Students could participate in talking/listening to the candidates and there could even be assignments where people discuss their perceptions before and after the debate.
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Pedagogically this sounds like such an amazing idea that I almost feel like it should be implemented ASAP. lol
Either that or we go back to a 5 year system in Ontario/OAC and force people to stay in school until they get the opportunity to vote at least once. :p
In Alberta high school is actually three years (10, 11, 12), with grade nine being the last year of junior high (7, 8, 9).
Where do they find these people??
Of course Alberta has to make things complicated. Anyhow, easy semantic fix if you just use a floating number of "Last four years of compulsary education"... or just fix it to the minimum possible age of someone entering grade 9. With an exception for people who through their maturity and genius skipped a grade by allowing them to flash their highschool ID card as a secondary form of ID on top of their Citizenship verification ID.
You don't even have to do that. From Grades 9-12 you have a 4 year period of time. Federally elections are mandated to be every four years. Also in many[most?] provinces, their provincial elections are set between those 4 years, making the actual spread between elections being between 2-3 years. To add onto that, Municipal Elections also tend to be the same year as provincial elections, but earlier/later in the year. And this isn't even taking into account the possibilities of minority governments to fall even earlier. So realisitically every student should be able to vote in atleast one of Municipal/Provincial/Federal election in their 4 years of highschool.
To even full-proof the policy, you can have an exemption for students which by some strange bit of fate manage to hit that rare four year period with no election having taken place.
To be fair, the same Nazi scientist, as the result of operation paperclip, also took the USA to the moon via the Apollo program and drew up the plans to go to Mars for NASA as well. It's not like he was referring to goebbles or mengela or something.
If there's a net positive increase in political involvement not only in youth at the time of election but citizens throughout their lifetime by slightly lowering the voting age I'm for it.
One of the possible real substantial effects on an election that wasn't mentioned could be official or unofficial student organization which could swing close ridings one way or another.
Private and religious schools could be a problem too but maybe mitigated if they could lose funding/tax benefits or status if lines are crossed by adult control.
Economic threat is bad enough coming from employers and unions and dealing with that as adults but being under complete guardianship puts 16/17 at greater risk too.
However, I think studies will show that many of these negatives aren't universal or even common factors and even when they are present can be overcome to a great degree.
One of the possible real substantial effects on an election that wasn't mentioned could be official or unofficial student organization which could swing close ridings one way or another.
Private and religious schools could be a problem too but maybe mitigated if they could lose funding/tax benefits or status if lines are crossed by adult control.
Economic threat is bad enough coming from employers and unions and dealing with that as adults but being under complete guardianship puts 16/17 at greater risk too.
However, I think studies will show that many of these negatives aren't universal or even common factors and even when they are present can be overcome to a great degree.
In QC Highschool is 5 years :) There is no middle-junior stuff here. Elementary is 6 years, highschool is 5 years, College (CEGEP) pre-University is 2 years or 3 for a technical degree. At Uni a bachelor is 3 years in most cases with some exception being 4 years.
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