This is mind-boggling. What.
This is mind-boggling. What.
PR loses in BC and it's not even fucking close.
The NDP promised during the election to put the idea to a vote and campaign in its favour. They ran a positive campaign, while the BC Liberals, which saw PR as an existential threat to their big tent party campaigned very hard and negative and spread shit tons of FUD. In the end the YES side got smoked, and you can see from the results that the vote was highly politicized with Liberal ridings voting heavily in favour of FPTP. Liberal supporters likely saw the last close election loss as a fluke so there's no way they'd ditch FPTP which up to this point had given them 16 years in power.
Ultimately the NDP/Green supporters of PR didn't get the vote out because support for PR was soft. I wonder if in a weird way the stability and success of the NDP/Green minority government in a way showed to even their supporters that the status quo is fine. I don't think BC will be able to get a PR success until there's a long string of failed minority governments and odd results.
Are you confusing Provincial politics with Federal?Sigh. The march towards the inevitable PC majority-by-minority government continues. Thanks again Trudeau for lying about electoral reform.
He lives in Vancouver I think
Are you confusing Provincial politics with Federal?
Federal can't effect Provincial elections
Okay you just contradicted yourself in that postNot confusing the two. But with the failure of BC to make a change, it just follows the trend of failure. Trudeau could have changed everything (and said he would), but decided not to.
Sigh. The march towards the inevitable PC majority-by-minority government continues. Thanks again Trudeau for lying about electoral reform.
This makes no sense. This is like Canada's version of Thanks Obama.
BC lost out on electoral reform because BC residents made that decision.
Again - not blaming trudeau for BC. I blame Trudeau for not following through on the promise he made back during his election campaign.
They are linked not by trudeau, but by the story of failure that is electoral reform in Canada.
London Ontario just held heir first municipal election election using ranked ballots. Aren't you happy for them?
No lol. They're just joking that we should just give those two the reins for a bit and call it a day. I'd take Henry+Meghan over any Conservative any day in such a bizarro world lol.
I've gone full Monarchist now! We need a King and Queen of Canada!!!No lol. They're just joking that we should just give those two the reins for a bit and call it a day. I'd take Henry+Meghan over any Conservative any day in such a bizarro world lol.
Would their powers not be the same as what the GG already has?I've gone full Monarchist now! We need a King and Queen of Canada!!!
No
No, we should just go full Monarchist and let them have all the power!Would their powers not be the same as what the GG already has?
Honestly I don't think it'd be any worse than what we have now. lol
Oh stop it lol. I'd be ok with the monarchy (so the GG) being given an official position of being the people's voice in parliament. So when say Trudeau does (or in this case doesn't) something that's detrimental to most Canadians but is good for his party, there's someone neutral in Parliament calling his ass out and making him explain why he choose to do what he did.No, we should just go full Monarchist and let them have all the power!
I mean government employees already swear an oath to the Queen anyway. Just take it that extra step!
Honestly I don't think it'd be any worse than what we have now. lol
I mean right now the GG and the Queen just read throne speeches and pretend to represent Canada when people visit and the PM is busy. They have no power and are not allowed to be political. People in the UK hate Charles because he apparently has opinions. :pOh stop it lol. I'd be ok with the monarchy (so the GG) being given an official position of being the people's voice in parliament. So when say Trudeau does (or in this case doesn't) something that's detrimental to most Canadians but is good for his party, there's someone neutral in Parliament calling his ass out and making him explain why he choose to do what he did.
But absolute monarchy? Lol no.
London is a trailblazer so far. Also both Kingston and Cambridge held referendums on switching to IRV. In fact, Kingston voted in favour of the change and yesterday directed their Municipal Staff to get everything setup and in place for the next election. Also the new Cambridge City Council is thinking about accepting their referendum despite not getting 50% turnout. So now we're not too worried about our Municipalities switching to a system that is far better for them than FPTP. At which point, we mix this with QuebecTBD and PEIRound Deux, and the movement is still looking good, even if it hit a setback with BC.London Ontario just held heir first municipal election election using ranked ballots. Aren't you happy for them?
YesLet's...not have a monarchy of any kind in Canada.
Also let's get Liz off of our 20$ bill.
Leave Queen Betty alone. When Chuck's turn comes though...no thanks.Let's...not have a monarchy of any kind in Canada.
Also let's get Liz off of our 20$ bill.
I'm with Caz. Democracy is fine. Our problems with it only come from a couple key issues.Let's...not have a monarchy of any kind in Canada.
Also let's get Liz off of our 20$ bill.
I think for a PR referendum to succeed there needs to be a clear and recent sign that FPTP is a dysfunctional system.
When people in BC first started wondering if FPTP was a broken system it was because there was two elections in a row with bizarre outcomes.
In 1996 the BC Liberals bested the NDP by 2.37% of the popular vote, but LOST with the BC NDP getting a Majority government by getting the most amount of seats.
Then in 2001 the NDP did disastrously bad due to a series of scandals and only got 21% of the vote to the Liberals' 57%.The outcome in seats however was highly distorted with the Liberals winning 77 seats and the NDP 2. The NDP didn't even meet the cutoff for official party status and the vindictive Liberals denied them an exception, and governed the province basically without opposition for four years.
In the PR referendum that followed a majority supported PR, but not enough to meet the 60% threshold the Liberal party set. After the recent distorted election outcomes it's not surprising to see that people wanted to see changes. In contrast the last few elections in BC have had more reasonable and balanced outcomes and BC's economy is the best in Canada, so all of that favours the status quo.
Chuck em' all, i'd say.Leave Queen Betty alone. When Chuck's turn comes though...no thanks.
Meh, we only have what, 30 more years of Liz?
If Trudeau sees his party's numbers free fallling, I hope he does the right thing and implement voter reform. Don't condemn us to fucking Conservative rule because you favour party over country.
It's a shame, but we figured this would be the case. What we need to learn is that when our opponents are willing to put Nazi's on Television, we need to fight back, raise a huge stink and call them the fuck out on it. If at anytime in the future someone complains about how the government is acting, we need to step right the fuck up and rub their noses in this result. If a Millennial bitches and moans that nothing ever changes, we need to sit them the fuck down and tell them that they had a chance to fix it and they shit the fucking bed.
But yeah, I called it. The moment ads with Nazis marching around came on TV, it was over. And now, we turn our eyes back to Quebec and PEI. If coulaird follows through we'll have an example to shove in the face of all the fearmongers; and if the reports of a potential Green Government in PEI are to be believed, we might have a second example in the works; depending on how that second referendum goes.
In other news, I wouldn't be surprised if the NDP/Green Coalition finds itself on shaky grounds now considering this was the main thing that held them together.
North battleford is an absolute shit hole. Lots of areas with little to be proud of though. Especially Alberta.
Queen Queen has you covered:
I realize Liz is in her 90s but the idea of her dying seems so strange. I half expect her to claim the title of oldest living person before she goes.
I've worked in N.B. before. Pretty dirty place. Can't imagine thinking "hey; buying a house here sounds like a good idea". Just working there briefly was bad. Now I try not to even stop for gas there.Having been there, I agree, North Battleford is indeed a shithole. But Prince Albert has collectively said "hold my beer" and will likely take the crown as Saskatchewan's worst municipality within 5 years.
Because whether they want to say it or not, some people want Canada to be more like America or take offence to the Crown purely because of it being a symbol of colonialism (which is more a common take, rightfully, among First Nations). It's not necessarily about Elizabeth herself, it's about the monarchy which she happens to be the head of right now.I don't get the Liz hate.
She is probably the best since Victoria and the most respectful towards the Commonwealth
🙄Because whether they want to say it or not, some people want Canada to be more like America
Your definition of "some" is "all"? Huh, that's awkward. Even more awkward is the fact that you're acting like that's all I said in my post. Huh.🙄
Yeah, that's exactly why people oppose the monarchy... c'mon breh
I realize Liz is in her 90s but the idea of her dying seems so strange. I half expect her to claim the title of oldest living person before she goes.
I've worked in N.B. before. Pretty dirty place. Can't imagine thinking "hey; buying a house here sounds like a good idea". Just working there briefly was bad. Now I try not to even stop for gas there.
P.A. is next level disgusting though and has been a rough place for as long as I can remember. As a kid it seemed dirty but not unsafe because I was with my parents any time I was there. As an adult it's filthier than I remembered and I have no intention of going back. Certainly wouldn't walk around there at night.
Nah, you're missing the prelude where they likely had sex with dirty old men or committed a really lazy B&E to pay for what's in that needle. THAT is PA in a nutshell.I remember a video being shown around my school of two drug addicts injecting on a sidewalk in P.A. and throwing the used needles over their shoulders. That's basically Prince Albert in a nutshell.
I think most people who frequent this thread/site would be of the mindset that we do not want Canada to be more like our southern neighbours. That aside, it's rather silly to assume that those who would want Canada to be more like "Murica" would do so by opposing the role of the monarchy in government instead of the whole "taxation without representation (if you're white)/freedom" thing.Your definition of "some" is "all"? Huh, that's awkward. Even more awkward is the fact that you're acting like that's all I said in my post. Huh.
The Senate
Number of Senators
21. The Senate shall, subject to the Provisions of this Act, consist of One Hundred and five Members, who shall be styled Senators. (11)
Representation of Provinces in Senate
22. In relation to the Constitution of the Senate Canada shall be deemed to consist of Four Divisions:
which Four Divisions shall (subject to the Provisions of this Act) be equally represented in the Senate as follows: Ontario by twenty-four senators; Quebec by twenty-four senators; the Maritime Provinces and Prince Edward Island by twenty-four senators, ten thereof representing Nova Scotia, ten thereof representing New Brunswick, and four thereof representing Prince Edward Island; the Western Provinces by twenty-four senators, six thereof representing Manitoba, six thereof representing British Columbia, six thereof representing Saskatchewan, and six thereof representing Alberta; Newfoundland shall be entitled to be represented in the Senate by six members; the Yukon Territory, the Northwest Territories and Nunavut shall be entitled to be represented in the Senate by one member each.
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Ontario;- 2.
Quebec;- 3.
The Maritime Provinces, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island;- 4.
The Western Provinces of Manitoba, British Columbia, Saskatchewan, and Alberta;
In the Case of Quebec each of the Twenty-four Senators representing that Province shall be appointed for One of the Twenty-four Electoral Divisions of Lower Canada specified in Schedule A. to Chapter One of the Consolidated Statutes of Canada. (12)
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Addition of Senators in certain cases
26. If at any Time on the Recommendation of the Governor General the Queen thinks fit to direct that Four or Eight Members be added to the Senate, the Governor General may by Summons to Four or Eight qualified Persons (as the Case may be), representing equally the Four Divisions of Canada, add to the Senate accordingly. (15)
Reduction of Senate to normal Number
27. In case of such Addition being at any Time made, the Governor General shall not summon any Person to the Senate, except on a further like Direction by the Queen on the like Recommendation, to represent one of the Four Divisions until such Division is represented by Twenty-four Senators and no more. (16)
Maximum Number of Senators
28. The Number of Senators shall not at any Time exceed One Hundred and thirteen. (17)
Probably because there's not much of a lack of representation anymore, since that issue was dealt with in 1982, by the PM most of the people who would go on about "taxation without representation" in this country love to hate. The only ones who can really say they suffer from taxation without representation at this point are permanent residents who can't vote. But also, who is more likely to complain about "taxation without representation" than a conservative and (again, rightfully) the First Nations people I already mentioned that was ignored?I think most people who frequent this thread/site would be of the mindset that we do not want Canada to be more like our southern neighbours. That aside, it's rather silly to assume that those who would want Canada to be more like "Murica" would do so by opposing the role of the monarchy in government instead of the whole "taxation without representation (if you're white)/freedom" thing.