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firehawk12

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Trudeau takes aim at big tech, announces 'Digital Charter'

Took them long enough. But it's too little too late especially considering it's only in the planning stages and might never even happen considering the election later this year. They (and other governments worldwide) have let it sit for too long and now its like trying to put out a wildfire, when all you got is a half-filled cup of water.
I think it will be interesting to see if enough countries adopt a similar framework to make this enforceable in any meaningful way.
 

Tiktaalik

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Oh hey there's an election in Newfoundland and Labrador today and it sounds like voters aren't going to be happy with any outcome!

Think your election choice is tough? Try being a Newfoundlander
With debt piling up and the economy in shambles, the parties seem unable to distinguish themselves for Thursday's election. No wonder it's too close to call.

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When asked about the election, she says: "I think I could just close my eyes and vote for either one." She laughs, but not for long, adding: "It's sad."

Such are politics in Newfoundland and Labrador, a province trapped in economic crisis, where the number of undecided voters remains stubbornly high, and where neither of the two main parties seems able to differentiate itself from the other, but for the colour of its signs.

"The story since 2015 has been large deficits and a province in very difficult financial circumstances," says Russell Williams, a political science professor at Memorial University. "But as a result, neither the Liberals who came to office in 2015, nor the Conservatives who hope to get back in office in 2019, seem to have a lot of differences. It's not clear to me what either party's plan is."

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What about the NDP??? Greens??

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As for a viable third party, the NDP failed to prove its preparedness when the Liberals a month ago called this election, which was once slated to take place in the fall. At the time, NDP leader Alison Coffin said: "We're as ready as we can be." Yet the party's hunt for viable candidates before the deadline ended with only 14 people running in the province's 40 ridings. (The Conservatives are also short, but only by one candidate.)

Though the NDP was recently poised to become Official Opposition, Williams notes that it has been plagued over the past five years by infighting and organizational problems that left it unready to campaign when the writ unexpectedly dropped.
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Lol what a bunch of fuck ups.
 

Dekuman

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Federal NDP should really be asking for a copy of Horgan's playbook.
Can they even support the BC NDPs economic playbook? I think it highlights how regional interests diverge and traingulating a generic pro environment messsge is actually counter productive. Because you have the BC NDP and AB NDP supporting policies that the federal NDP can't even utter
 

bremon

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No, they can't, and that's one example of why the NDP is such a disorganized disaster. Provincial and Federal parties sharing names seems like it inevitably just puts egg on faces by association.
 

Tiktaalik

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Yeah basically. You can't win. Singh is now on the shit list for apparently (who fucking knows) changing his position on the LNG project which has BC NDP support.

B.C. union leaders 'not happy' with Jagmeet Singh

OTTAWA—Union leaders in British Columbia say they are bewildered and disappointed that federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh dialed back his support for natural gas projects that are expected to create thousands of jobs in the province.

Earlier this week, Singh said liquified natural gas (LNG) projects in northern B.C. no longer "satisfy" his criteria for major resource projects he can support. A party spokesperson confirmed to the Star that Singh was referring to LNG Canada's planned export facility in Kitimat — a $40-billion project the Liberal government boasts as "the largest private sector investment" in Canadian history — and the Coastal GasLink pipeline project that is opposed by hereditary chiefs of the Wet'suwet'en nation.

The NDP leader believes more consultations are needed on the projects. He also wants Canada to stop using fossil fuels and "fracking," a controversial method of extracting natural gas that is often condemned by environmentalists — and the method used in the region that will supply the gas for the pipeline and export facility.

Leaders of unions with thousands of jobs at stake in the projects—which have already been approved by governments and regulators—said Wednesday that they feel let down that Singh is backing away from his previous support.
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killerrin

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Oh hey there's an election in Newfoundland and Labrador today and it sounds like voters aren't going to be happy with any outcome!



What about the NDP??? Greens??



Lol what a bunch of fuck ups.

Jesus Christ. You know, at a certain point you'd think they would get tired of being as woefully incompetent as they are. Like were the hurdles of party membership so high that they just couldn't find people?

I swear, I, someone with no political experience could probably do a better job than them at running the party. And as a progressive that is so incredibly annoying because the party has good, progressive ideas. But they just suck at getting the points across.
 
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Tiktaalik

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lol here comes the Senate to fuck things up some more



Cullen may be exaggerating a bit. This was a committee vote, so the entire Senate now has to vote on whether to accept the committee recommendation or not.

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The move does not immediately kill the oil tanker moratorium, but a vote by the senate to adopt the committee recommendations would stop the legislation in its tracks. A vote on the report is expected in coming days.
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Dekuman

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Isn't it the Senate's job to do that? I mean they shouldn't function as a rubber stamp to Parliament
 

Tiktaalik

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lmao minority government thanks to a 5 vote victory by an NDP candidate.

Honestly a minority outcome is a good thing. Maybe this will shake things up a bit.
 
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How many recounts will there be? lol
All of the recounts going by the NL PC leader's remarks: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/nl-votes-2019-election-winner-1.5138888
Ches Crosbie said he will be calling on three elected members of the NDP and two Independents to form a coalition to counter the Liberals.

The Liberals have won a projected 20 out of the 40 seats in the House of Assembly.

"I am not conceding victory to the Liberals," Crosbie told a room full of supporters and media after all votes were tallied.

"They will have to struggle for the next months and years to hang on to power."

Crosbie vowed this will be the end of Ball as both the premier and the Liberal leader.
 

bremon

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The salt of the Atlantic flowing strong.

"Abandon your principles ye who enter here; the Overton window has no place in these hallowed halls; there is nothing but jolly co-op to own the Libs!"
 

ContraWars

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I work with Newfies in AB. Last week I asked one of them who is 60 years old "What do you think of the election in Newfoundland?"

His response was: "Liberals will win it. Everyone back home is fucking lazy and too afraid that if anyone else wins, they will lose their welfare cheques and starve to death. I miss Danny Williams."

All I could do is laugh and shake my head.
 

bremon

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That doesn't really sound drastically different than how you've described Nova Scotia. Pretty cunty to label an entire province as lazy welfare bums. Common fuck you, got mine sentiment of highly paid workers in AB/BC though.
 
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The socialists can't be trusted! They'll ruin the economy!!!



This is great news for the province and the coalition government. Hopefully this will help shake off that inappropriate socialist label from the BCNDP.

lol here comes the Senate to fuck things up some more

it's faced criticism from industry, First Nations and provincial leaders, who worried it could critically harm Canada's oil exports.
Cullen may be exaggerating a bit. This was a committee vote, so the entire Senate now has to vote on whether to accept the committee recommendation or not.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bc-tanker-bill-senate-1.5137984
...it's faced criticism from industry, First Nations and provincial leaders, who worried it could critically harm Canada's oil exports.
Former[NDP] premier Rachel Notley called the policy a "stampede of stupid" for unfairly targeting Alberta.
Simons said the committee's decision to recommend against proceeding with a bill was unusual.
"What happened tonight was very rare. It's not unprecedented, but it's a very unusual situation in which the committee, because of my vote in the end, voted not to recommend the bill to the Senate," she said.
"So the Senate can accept our report and not proceed with the bill, or, what is more likely, the Senate will bring the bill back."
Simons said if that happens, she'll push to move multiple amendments, including ones that would respect the wishes of local First Nations and create points of egress for Alberta oil to reach the coast.
The Senate will likely discuss whether or not to accept the committee's report sometime in the next few weeks.


If this gets overturned or properly amended it should energize construction of the Eagle Spirit pipeline and might even help the fed Liberals in a few ridings and the Greens in others.
 

ContraWars

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That doesn't really sound drastically different than how you've described Nova Scotia. Pretty cunty to label an entire province as lazy welfare bums. Common fuck you, got mine sentiment of highly paid workers in AB/BC though.

For sure. Newfies and Capers are cut from the same cloth. We sound the same when we speak and have similar culture. All the old timers and boomers are cranky and call everyone lazy, all the young people roll their eyes and need to leave to Ontario or AB for work, or they usually just sit around and do nothing back east. The best you can hope for is to be there and struggle in a minimum wage economy.

The differences are NFLD can manage itself, and CB is governed as a part of NS, underfunded beyond the brink, leverage to get more equalization, no healthcare money, a culture of doom and defeatism. More young people than ever raised in poverty with no skill or ambition to make jobs.

The "fuck you I got mine" argument of it, if it can even be applied there comes from that. Prideful old people who are done with nothing to show for it, looking at young people that believe the bullshit glory days are owed to them, no taste of real money, raised to think the government should run their lives since it is all they have ever seen.

You only know what you see. The Atlantic region is on life support. Government dependency feeds the economy but none of the governments have radically addressed the policy problems that welfare trap the poor, while the population ages and demands more from the failing healthcare systems.
 

bremon

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ContraWars I meant your coworker sounds cunty. I'm from a have-not province and work with plenty of people in the same situation; left home for opportunity. I make more than plenty of people where I grew up but I wouldn't label them lazy welfare bums for trying to live their adult lives in the community they grew up in. Government can only be expected to do so much though, especially when 50% of the time the party of "small government" is in power hacking and slashing.
 

killerrin

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Still disagree with the journalism bailout.
At its core it is an extremely lofty goal. One that is very much needed in this day and age where journalism as a whole is basically hanging on for survival because nobody wants to pay for news, and as a result they have to adopt more extreme views, more clickbait titles and more advertising friendly content.

But at the same time, that money should have come with some more restrictions. Or at the very least it should have been structured in such a way that there was some oversight to ensure that they aren't basically being paid to be propaganda machines.
 
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Oh hey the Ford government is vile scum, who'd have thought?
 

SRG01

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At its core it is an extremely lofty goal. One that is very much needed in this day and age where journalism as a whole is basically hanging on for survival because nobody wants to pay for news, and as a result they have to adopt more extreme views, more clickbait titles and more advertising friendly content.

But at the same time, that money should have come with some more restrictions. Or at the very least it should have been structured in such a way that there was some oversight to ensure that they aren't basically being paid to be propaganda machines.

It never should've been bailed out in the first place. People didn't want to read those articles from Postmedia because they were terrible. News consumption has evolved and so should these corporations.
 

killerrin

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It never should've been bailed out in the first place. People didn't want to read those articles from Postmedia because they were terrible. News consumption has evolved and so should these corporations.
That's why I think there should be some better metrics put in place for the funding. But I don't think the solution is to cut it off entirely. Because i do think that News Media has a vital role to play in a healthy democracy. The main problem being that because they are so starved for cash, they are looking to get funding from anywhere just to stay alive.

Which unfortunately means they pull advertising dollars from large corporations that would prefer they don't talk the hard truths or about anything controversial, from extremists groups that only want to push their objectives, from political parties and other large political actors that want to push their views as far as possible, and large wealthy owners that have an agenda to play.

So instead. The bailout/subsidies should have been targeted towards independently verified media first and foremost. Maybe with some varying tiers of payouts, like a well-researched Op/Ed gives $X and an Opinion piece gives $Y. Couple this with improved funding towards our public broadcasters like CBC and TVO... TVO especially because they do such amazing work for how little they are given.

Basically, there has to be a middleground and a way forward that isn't just "Throw them to the curb and have them evolve". Because I don't think we are going to like what they turn/are turning into to stay alive.
 

Tiktaalik

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lol that 60 year old Newfoundlander has some nerve calling folks back home lazy when he did the literal easiest thing and bailed on his home to make money elsewhere instead of staying around and building something.
 

SRG01

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That's why I think there should be some better metrics put in place for the funding. But I don't think the solution is to cut it off entirely. Because i do think that News Media has a vital role to play in a healthy democracy. The main problem being that because they are so starved for cash, they are looking to get funding from anywhere just to stay alive.

Which unfortunately means they pull advertising dollars from large corporations that would prefer they don't talk the hard truths or about anything controversial, from extremists groups that only want to push their objectives, from political parties and other large political actors that want to push their views as far as possible, and large wealthy owners that have an agenda to play.

So instead. The bailout/subsidies should have been targeted towards independently verified media first and foremost. Maybe with some varying tiers of payouts, like a well-researched Op/Ed gives $X and an Opinion piece gives $Y. Couple this with improved funding towards our public broadcasters like CBC and TVO... TVO especially because they do such amazing work for how little they are given.

Basically, there has to be a middleground and a way forward that isn't just "Throw them to the curb and have them evolve". Because I don't think we are going to like what they turn/are turning into to stay alive.

But quantifying these metrics will just lead to them gaming the system another way. And establishing those metrics in the first place will lead to a whole bunch of issues with regards to transparency.

I look to a bunch of news organizations in the states that have successfully evolved themselves, and then I look at Canada. It's outright shameful that we as a purported bastion of liberal democracy can't get its own house in order when it comes to corporate socialism.
 

bremon

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60 isn't the definitive retirement age, and depending on how long he's been in Alberta, if he can't retire by 65 then most people would be inclined to believe he lived the typical O&G lifestyle. Get a taste of decent money and all of a sudden need a pile of toys.

He could always just sit at home on welfare if it's so easy.
 

killerrin

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But quantifying these metrics will just lead to them gaming the system another way. And establishing those metrics in the first place will lead to a whole bunch of issues with regards to transparency.

I look to a bunch of news organizations in the states that have successfully evolved themselves, and then I look at Canada. It's outright shameful that we as a purported bastion of liberal democracy can't get its own house in order when it comes to corporate socialism.
But the problem with comparing our news organizations with the States is that the market sizes are on an order of magnitude greater. The biggest news chains in the USA are famous world-wide. They are massive publications that handle everything from politics to the economy to lifestyle. The USA has the largest cultural exports in the world, and one of those exports is its news.

In finance, everybody pays attention to the news because the country is large enough that they can tank or surge a stock with a single tweet from their president. If the USA does something to put itself on track for a recession, the rest of the world follows suit, either willingly policy wise, or dragged by force once the USA economy goes under. On the entertainment and famous people front. Their entertainment properties and stars are famous worldwide and people the world over pay close attention the tabloid day-to-day of so-and-so and what-and-what. It's no secret that on the politics front that Extremism world-wide surged the moment Donald Trump was elected. Until then it was mostly contained to Europe with Brexit in the UK, and a couple developing nations ruled by authoritarian dictator [wannabes].

Basically, they have a much grander market for USA news than here in Canada where it's very much localized. And the reason for that is that while on the world-stage everybody knows about and likes us, nobody really cares about us until they need us. We aren't big enough to affect the global economy in any major way. Politics wise we aren't trying to actively piss anybody off. Our exports are nice and plentiful, but not really unique. We have a highly educated population, some of the most highly educated in the world, but we have shown that we are more than willing to move to other countries if nothing servicing that opens up here.

But going back to news, there isn't really anything that makes our news unique. It covers Canadian content and Canadian local issues, but those issues don't really affect the broader markets and the broader political scene, and on the entertainment front our stars move to the USA anyways, so the rest of the world has no reason to pay attention to us outside of limited fields and industries.

So put in total. The news media in the USA can evolve and sort of keep its heads above the water. But here in Canada we have a limited market. One that if our media was to evolve would mean losing focus on Canadian issues. But also, I argue that I don't think anybody particularly likes what the media in the USA has turned into. It's horrific when you actually look at it. It's all fear, clickbait and more fear. And this is what is being exported to the world at large. If that is what the news has to turn into to stay alive in todays modern age... I don't want that.
 

ContraWars

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60 isn't the definitive retirement age, and depending on how long he's been in Alberta, if he can't retire by 65 then most people would be inclined to believe he lived the typical O&G lifestyle. Get a taste of decent money and all of a sudden need a pile of toys.

He could always just sit at home on welfare if it's so easy.

Absolutely, but I mean he is heading that way. Another burnt out old timer with nothing to show for working hard but resentment for those who don't work at all.

Meanwhile the unskilled young guys on the east coast get chewed out and blamed for everything that's wrong in life, learning nothing useful but a constant culture of "We are fucked. You can't do anything." and people who try to get ahead get figuratively shit on. Misery loves company.

Stephen Harper mentioned defeatism on the east coast. He was right, but hey... He isn't one of us so we might as well collectively turn against him for pointing it out. Yeah? Lol.

The biggest concern I have is the provincial government, which is the elephant in the room at all times. There is no advantage offered, they are the only ones with capital to do anything; they have opportunity to relieve the working poor by diverting one or more necessary industries to a municipal / provincial split tax fund and slowly rebuild the place, but they are all short sighted if not actually, fundamentally stupid with their election platforms and agendas.

Everything is stalled out and dependent on the government. Half of all money flowing around is subsidized. It is time for radical reform using crown corporations that lease infrastructure. It is time to lower the up front tax burden.
 

gutter_trash

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this where I believe a ballanced approach is required when it comes to financing, economics, industry and corporate subsidies.

Going Hard Left and taxing businesses is a European style business killer.
Going Hard Right with trickle down Reagan-omics hurts the worker, the little guy of getting screwed out for with no benefits and low pay.

You need government stimulus, incentives in new tech and also keeping taxes competitive..

Oil and Gas are dinosaur industries, Alberta can eat a bag of dicks for being mono-industrious and that 100% their own fault.
Atlantic Canada however has nothing going for them, they have zero innovation and have no future, they are just provinces with no future.

This is where I think you need an injection of stimulus and corporate subsidies to spawn new industries in Atlantic Canada but the problem with Canada are Provinces.

Provinces will always be the problem in advancing economic development
 

bremon

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ContraWars I take it the Cape gets neglected because the majority of the electorate is in Halifax?

And pointing out a losing culture isn't normally a winning political strategy. Reminds me of the PCs in AB telling people to look in the mirror to find Alberta's problem lol.

Oil and Gas are dinosaur industries, Alberta can eat a bag of dicks for being mono-industrious and that 100% their own fault.
Alberta oil revenues certainly could have been managed better but you can eat a bag of dicks if you don't understand how the rest of Canada has also benefited from it. We have other industries (the same ones the other have-not provinces have, which is what we would be without oil). Where are all the government subsidies to spur innovation here and minimize the negative economic effects of a post-oil future?

If we want to reduce our discourse to this level of simplicity I might as well say Quebec can eat a bag of dicks for being on the federal tit nonstop while costing us the next election thanks to typical Quebecois corruption and scandals.
 
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Pedrito

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A diverse economy is overrated. Look what it gets you...

Hamilton has Canada's most diverse economy, says conference board

Shudder

Never been there actually. It's probably lovely

I'm trying to find out which province has the most diversified economy. I'm suspecting it might be Québec, which we know is a land of misery and embarrassingly low GDP. It could be BC, but with its ridiculous real estate/construction sector, probably not. Maybe Manitoba. That's the Hamilton of provinces, right?
 
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firehawk12

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The Australian results are interesting because a combination of preferential voting and the "Alberta" effect basically caused a massive spoiler that allowed the Coalition to sneak in a win. People were wondering if Labour's policies were too progressive, and if you actually examine thing, they're about as progressive as Trudeau's plans.

Other than the fact that Harper relied in Australian fixers last time, there may be no effect in October, but it could be a sign of the weird things that may happen.
 

bremon

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David Macnaughton is our ambassador to the US. Heyman was the US ambassador to Canada under a different president.

Considering the lifting of the tariffs and dates of the article I think I'd believe the Canadian.
 
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