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Canada PoliERA |OT| Two Years of Sunny Days? That’s Scheer Madness!
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Ironically it's the one issue where the Liberals are also afraid to engage Conservatives because of the long gun registry. It's why they refuse to comment on John Tory, of all fucking people, asking for a federal ban on hand guns in Canada. It's something to be "studied" aka please forget about this until the next mass shooting happens.
(Thoughts and prayers, etc, etc.)
The third party advantage comes from painting the other two with the same broad brush, which is why the NDP strategy worked in Quebec when people were desperate for a protest vote and found a place to put it. I just don't know if there's actually a real appetite for a third party alternative, or if there's a way to make people understand that Liberals and Conservatives want to preserve the existing paradigms of governance.
The fact that we live in a political state where the notwithstanding clause can basically be used any time anyone wants now should be alarming to someone if we want to think about how we are trending politically, but it seems to have been forgotten and become a collective shrug now.
It's because the carbon emissions it takes to keep the rink cold in the summer is damaging the planet and the NDP are trying to find a more natural alternative to hockey. lol
Honestly, it seems very weird to me to frame this as "We're talking about abortion and gay marriage because the Liberals want us to" and not "We're talking about it because the conservatives chose a leader who is against those things." Social issues can't be dismissed as settled when one of the two parties who always wins elections is regressive as hell.
I was actually having a conversation with someone about this because she saw me reading this thread. lol
I don't disagree, but we're not addressing the fundamental material conditions in society that engenders this behaviour and thought in the first place. Populism doesn't just exist in a vacuum, it's by definition reactionary and we're afraid to look deeper to see why someone in the Canadian Armed Forces would not only become a white supremacist, but also go out of their way to help recruit other white supremacists.
I'm just glad America has a reactionary left that has mobilized that wants to bring up these issues and force people to confront them. I just wish we had something similar here.
Historically, when/where Liberals are exceptionally weak, NDP become the leftist heir apparent (see also: 2011 in Quebec). This is clearly a better alternative to them going blue. Liberal voters in Ontario seemed to notably decide that was never going to be the case anymore, as did several prairie ridings in the federal election in 2015. It'd be a shame if NDP voters repaid that courtesy by not ABC voting and rolling over for Liberals, just like it was a shame that Liberal voters in SK gave us Andrew Scheer.
You can't be selectively vindictive about voters not adhering to ABC voting principles or selectively blame leading parties in an election for not turning voters, it's that simple, because once you do, you open up the same dialogue when the shoe is on the other foot. And no one benefits then.
Yeah, to say nothing of the the fact that you chose the potentially "un-Canadian" sport of cricket for the party with the leader that has an Indian racial background... yeah, you could have chosen a less thorny option for your sport analogy joke. By a long shot.
I'm saying you (almost assuredly inadvertently) created a racist dogwhistle with that joke. I thought that was all pretty self-explanatory, but whatever, it's not terribly important. Just always good to be mindful of that sort of thing.
That's why I clarified that it was 99% likely to be an unfortunate accident, with what I know of the poster. We disagree on a few things, but he's a decent person.
But imagine those words coming from an alt-righter's mouth and... would it still be a reach? That's kind of the point I was trying to make, if it was people who didn't know anything about djkimothy, something like that could be a seriously bad look for him.
I think because the reactionary left of America is born out of and strong from desperation due to America's "special" situation (uncontrolled capitalism in their healthcare market, NRA, systematic shootings, LGBTQ rollbacks, environmental rollbacks, ultraevangelism), for us to have that kind of left, we'd need to devolve about as much as America first. Kind of a monkey's paw desire if you ask me!
Thankfully, atleast we have the "America Follower" effect to look forward to... if you believe in the theory that Canada is always 10 years behind the USA, Politically.
That was going to be my response to a post about a cap to NDP support in Canada.
Things aren't bad enough in Canada to make people seriously consider the NDP.
Another problem is people don't realize how extreme the conservatives have become. Look at the backlash to Ford, people thought things would mostly stay the same. I'm curious how the polls will reach to the Liberals airing Scheer's despicable views.
Finally given our electoral system, you have to vote Liberal in most ridings to stop the cons. I'd gladly vote NDP if I wasn't throwing my vote away in my riding.
Mind you Singh has been very disappointing.
I believe it. And I'm scared lol.
Like PM JBP or whatever. Eugh.
firehawk12 America needs AOC more than us atm.. hahaha.. :(
Except we are generally years ahead of them in reality. Every major social breakthrough of the last few decades has come to Canada before the US.
for real, Canada has been "progressively" ahead of the US. like 6 decades ahead on healthcare lol
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Canada's economy grew at an annual rate of 3.7% in the 2nd quarter, Statistics Canada says. The growth was led by a 3.7% surge in goods exports, following 2 quarters of declines. Canada's growth rate compares favourably to the US, which is growing at an annual rate of 2%.
8:42 AM - Aug 30, 2019
Canada's economy grew at an annual rate of 3.7% in the 2nd quarter, Statistics Canada says. The growth was led by a 3.7% surge in goods exports, following 2 quarters of declines. Canada's growth rate compares favourably to the US, which is growing at an annual rate of 2%.
8:42 AM - Aug 30, 2019
Nah, pretty sure the GST and the formation of the BQ did that.
You forgot the Reform Party (Western Resentment cry babies)
Until the PCs collapsed and the West had no viable conservatives to vote for, they were a non-entity joke. Hell, they kept on being a joke right up until Harper regardless.
Yeah careful what you wish for in hoping the People's Party splits the vote. Reform Party was a joke right up until it wasn't and it destroyed the Progressive Conservatives and dragged the Overton Window to the right.
The People's Party will do the same unless it's snuffed out from the get go.
The People's Party will do the same unless it's snuffed out from the get go.
There was no Overton window shift, though. Harper knew how to play the game and got away with what he did by obeying the position of Overton window of the rest of the country by playing up the idea he didn't want to move it.
Western voters were always littered with bigots, they didn't REALLY get a voice, Harper muzzling the MPs that the bigots voted for made certain of that. A few years of that is what helped the People's Party gain any sort of traction, but if the People's Party survives long enough with all its open bigotry, like hell they'll hold their tongues to become the prevailing conservatism in this country. Attempts by Ford to move the Overton window are what is costing Conservatives seats in Ontario.
Just branding your party in blue colouring isn't enough to move the Overton window, let's not pretend it was that easy.
No Overton Window shift? Have you forgotten that former Liberal MP Scott Brison once ran for leadership of the Progressive Conservatives?
The rise of the Reform party dragged the entire country to the right. The Reform party argued for austerity and Chretien went along with the politics of the day. Jean Chretien was one of the best conservative Prime Ministers this country ever had, as he enacted severe austerity, and cut taxes and services aggressively. The seed of the housing crisis that endures to this day was sown when Chretien stopped the federal government from funding public housing.
If the PPC is given any credibility at all it'll likely do this same, weakening the Conservative Party, then inevitably merging with it, dragging the Conservative Party closer to the PPC.
The rise of the Reform party dragged the entire country to the right. The Reform party argued for austerity and Chretien went along with the politics of the day. Jean Chretien was one of the best conservative Prime Ministers this country ever had, as he enacted severe austerity, and cut taxes and services aggressively. The seed of the housing crisis that endures to this day was sown when Chretien stopped the federal government from funding public housing.
If the PPC is given any credibility at all it'll likely do this same, weakening the Conservative Party, then inevitably merging with it, dragging the Conservative Party closer to the PPC.
In a perfect world the social conservatives will split off from the CPC and go join the CHP and Mad Max can merge with the Libertarians that are left over in the CPC.
Unpopular opinion, but the austerity measures in Canada during that time was necessary because Canada was IIRC about to get its credit rating downgraded because its sluggish growth meant that they were increasingly incapable of servicing their debt payments.
Like, MMT and similar policies are only effective under the presumption of growth. It all falls apart when growth and inflation don't happen -- much like the US shortly after the 2008 recession when they were printing and stimulating like crazy.
Granted, the austerity wasn't what brought about the Canadian economic boom of the late 90s, but that's also not to say the austerity wasn't necessary -- it most definitely was.
Like, MMT and similar policies are only effective under the presumption of growth. It all falls apart when growth and inflation don't happen -- much like the US shortly after the 2008 recession when they were printing and stimulating like crazy.
Granted, the austerity wasn't what brought about the Canadian economic boom of the late 90s, but that's also not to say the austerity wasn't necessary -- it most definitely was.
I feel like people should be tweeting out the shortcomings of the piece to him - not necessarily for Trudeau, but to keep him honest and accurate
Yeah I've seen that written about that time. There's an article about it here.
The core point I'm trying to make though is that because the conservative movement had taken a big step right with the Reform Party, room had opened up for the Liberals to shift to the right and go with deep austerity with no criticism at all. The Reform Party was arguing that the austerity wasn't big enough.
The most significant lasting thing about the shift right was that the austerity became the new normal. It became normal that the federal government was totally uninvolved in housing. The result is what you see in Vancouver where the newest affordable housing was built in the 1980s. Only now is the government just beginning to dip its toe back into it.
Austerity never worked,
Austerity only serves at weakening the working class and middle class making them more subservient with less money in their pockets.
Austerity is bullshit
Austerity only serves at weakening the working class and middle class making them more subservient with less money in their pockets.
Austerity is bullshit
That's why right wing oligarchs love it.
I hope all the dumb Ford Nation assholes learned something by now.
Did you guys see Maxime Bernier attacking Greta Thunberg on Twitter?
What a fucking coward.
This goes on for 8 tweets.
What a fucking coward.
This goes on for 8 tweets.
Weird how the big deficit 70s and 80s saw stagnant real wages in Canada while real wages have grown in the time since those deficits were brought under control.
So is Scheer, I struggle to see much difference between the two besides Bernier just dropping all dog whistles.
If both were too afraid to go outside because their lip-flapping inspires punchy behavior in normal people, that'd be swell.
Yeah if these cryptofascists would join Richard Spencer in that department I'd be happier.
Never thought I'd immigrate to Canada from Europe, hearing WW2 stories from my grandparents only to see these people are now running for office.
Scheer and Bernier believe the same things, it's just that Bernier is more "honest" about what he believes in while Scheer skates around ambiguity
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