He's not wrong. Too bad American Trump supporters cannot digest these truths.
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Canadian CEO Blames Trump for downed Iranian Airliner
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He's not wrong. Too bad American Trump supporters cannot digest these truths.
He has every right to say this, because it's true. Trump caused collateral damage by instigating this entire ordeal, especially now that we learned he approved the assassination 7 months ago, and not due to "imminent attacks on the US".
He's responsible for setting in motion a series of events.
But each actor is still responsible for its individual actions.
But each actor is still responsible for its individual actions.
Sorry, but no. The people who shot down the plane are responsible. They weren't forced to do it. It was their choice. Trump can still go ahead and get fucked though.
I despise Trump,
It isn't his fault dumbasses shoot down a plane immediately taking off from their own airport
It isn't his fault dumbasses shoot down a plane immediately taking off from their own airport
It's not black and white. But actions have consequences. Trump made a bad decision based on a lie. Where is the evidence an attack was about to happen to americans and how did the killing of Soleimani made things better? One thing was sure Iran was going to respond, and tensions were going to be worse.
The idiot started his presidency by scrapping the Iran deal just because OBAMA
The idiot started his presidency by scrapping the Iran deal just because OBAMA
No lie detected. I just wish the media would actually acknowledge Trump's part in this. There is a direct line that can be connected from Trump to this and had he not tried to distract with this damn attack those people would be alive. Iran is the one that did the shot but he was the damn catalyst and is constantly lying about why this needed to be done.
Iran was directly responsible, but Trump neither understanding nor properly justifying the ramifications of his lethal military action against the leadership of another sovereign country started this particular this chain of events.
Acts of war invariably lead to collateral damage like this.
Acts of war invariably lead to collateral damage like this.
It doesn't look like the CEO nor anyone in here is defending Iran's leadership. Two things can be bad.
You can honestly get fucked with this. We can hate both of these. Iran for being so fucking incompetent that they would target a civilian aircraft, and Trump for putting Iran in a position where they were looking to shoot down an aircraft.
No he isn't. They didn't have to respond in the way they did. They chose the path they took, and it backfired horribly.
He's not condemning them either, at least not in that article. Yes, of course two things can be bad. But people, in their justified hatred of Trump, seem to need to be reminded that it would be appropriate to direct a bit more of their anger toward the people who fired the missile.
Though Iran is directly to blame, Trump and his adminstration are what pushed a scenario like this to potentially happen.
If Trump had not started shit with Iran without notifying Congress, or heck anyone there wouldn't have been any deaths. He makes every situation he is ever inserted into worse. Which is why he's not fit to be a president.
Fact.
Ultimately, it is on every person to accept their responsibility in a chain of events. 'Just following orders' is not a sufficient defence when the cost is lives. Likewise, those in power who made the call should have done more to ensure that the situation wasn't really possible. However, everyone involved is responsible, and it is naive to think that Trump isn't a sociopathic child sitting on the world's largest arsenal. It may be quaint to downplay his rhetoric as bluster from a position of relative security, but there are billions of people across numerous countries that do not have that privlege - and those people had just witnessed a tyrannical use of force from a position of near absolute power, followed by extreme threats against any who dare stand against that authority. Americans need to bring their warlords to heel and sit the fuck down.
In the tweets, the CEO calls out Iran as a dangerous state and Soleimani as an outright "despicable military leader terrorist". Michael McCain didn't overlook Iran's regime at all.
Yes, the administration should have known that a targeted strike on one individual would lead to Iran being so incompetent as to shoot down a passenger plane. It's complete butterfly effect nonsense. Iran fired the missle. The US and it's government have zero blame in this. It's only the Canadian position of blaming the US for all of the worlds ills that has us arriving here.
Iran is definitely more / mostly responsible since they were the ones that actually did this, but you won't convince me that at least some of the blame doesn't fall on Trump, sorry.
Yes, when you openly assassinate high up military personnel of nations you are already at high tensions with, you typically weight the outcomes of the response as a factor in your decision making.
So yes, when the US doesn't apparently give two fucks about the fallout of their choices, they get to share the blame for escalating a conflict with zero justification to the point where something like this can happen.
Good. Let's start holding the US and their awful leadership accountable just as we do every other country, like Iran and its awful leadership.
I blame Trump and that doesn't absolve Iran of what they did. America wants to run around with big dick energy and be the world police and only adults in the room. They need to act like it. There was a working treaty and dipomancy but they tore it all up because they rather send lives to the grinder instead let a black man have his name on anything beneficial to society. Shit doesn't happen in a vaccuum
This is the truth. And it doesn't take away from Iran's responsibility. Blame is an inexhaustible resource and everyone who deserves it gets some. This is the type of consequence that comes from escalation to the brink of war, and Trump knew it and was warned of it, but did it anyway, and worse, he did it for his own corrupt and selfish reasons.
Seriously fuck the hell off, hundreds of people died due to the chain events of both parties so you can stop inexplicably feeling the need to completely to remove any blame for the US's horrific contribution. You want to extend the chain out yeah go ahead and extend the chain out to Trump reversing course back to greater hostility by scrapping the Iran deal for his dumb fucking petty reasoning.
Stop fucking justifying sabre rattling war mongers, because yes this is very much a known potential outcome of war that's happened before. This is also why people should take the gutting of the State Department seriously because it's their duty to weigh tertiary consequences with alternative actions but it's severely lacking in personnel (particularly with regards to Iran) and properly considerate strategists.
"Zero blame", seriously what a god damn disgraceful thing to assert.
It is their fault but Trump intentionally stirred up a hornet's nest.
When the US does shit like this there will always be collateral damage of some sort. It might not be their weapons always doing the killing but they instigate the conflict putting others in danger.
Yeah we're pretty concerned that our next-door neighbour has a psychopath leader who has no foresight and whose decisions directly lead to the death of 50+ Canadians. Nobody's defending Iran, but we'd like your psychopath out of office ASAP. It's time other countries put their foot down on your blood-thirsty nation filled with rich white warmongers.
It's always funny, even in other threads, where posters think that
a - trump didn't do anything wrong
b - trump shouldn't be blamed for anything
c - blaming trump means you defend Iran
d - you can't blame both trump and Iran
They both fucked up, they're both to blame
a - trump didn't do anything wrong
b - trump shouldn't be blamed for anything
c - blaming trump means you defend Iran
d - you can't blame both trump and Iran
They both fucked up, they're both to blame
Like let me be real here, if anyone thinks the US has zero blame here, you can get fucked.
If you think that by saying the US deserves some blame, you're interpreting this as sharing "equal" blame, you're wrong and also can get fucked.
Of course Iran is to blame for actually shooting the plane down. No one is even contesting this.
But America can't keep waving it's dick around the world and then absolving themselves of the consequences. Trump consciously decided to escalate a conflict seemingly without thought or concern for the fallout of this action, and it cost lives. This cannot be ignored or excused.
If you think that by saying the US deserves some blame, you're interpreting this as sharing "equal" blame, you're wrong and also can get fucked.
Of course Iran is to blame for actually shooting the plane down. No one is even contesting this.
But America can't keep waving it's dick around the world and then absolving themselves of the consequences. Trump consciously decided to escalate a conflict seemingly without thought or concern for the fallout of this action, and it cost lives. This cannot be ignored or excused.
Imagine if there had been Americans on that plane. I doubt any of you would hesitate to blame Trump then.
We very well could have been in a war with Iran right now if Trump got what he wanted. He's already got plenty of blood on his hands regardless now.
We very well could have been in a war with Iran right now if Trump got what he wanted. He's already got plenty of blood on his hands regardless now.