Cool, empty rhetoric! That goes well with you presenting a false moral equivalence earlier aimed at people who dare try "hating on Trump" (your phrase) on terms you're arbitrarily defining.
Anyway, that's what I'm talking about.
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Canadian CEO Blames Trump for downed Iranian Airliner
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Anyway, that's what I'm talking about.
It would be more encouraging if America didn't vote in Bush for 2nd term, and didn't elect Trump. They just don't get it. Now Donald is completely shitting the bed and bringing Americans back to war. What has being done? Nothing. He's still in power and so many Americans are now defending what he has done. American propaganda has been extremely effective at maintaining nationalism and patriotism no matter how stupid it gets.
I think you've let your nationalism rot your brain. Absolving the US of all responsibility for their spurious unreasoned attack is idiotic at best and morally repugnant 'preventative war' apologia at worst. You don't get to blunder your way into stoking military conflict out of the blue and then proceed to say 'that's all on them' when it has predictably bad consequences.
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I hate Trump as much as the next guy but Iran is solely to blame for their incompetente.
If the US military takes down a plane full of civilians are we going to blame Iran?
If the US military takes down a plane full of civilians are we going to blame Iran?
The current shitty relations we have work Iran are directly our fault. We fucked over a legitimate democratically elected leader so bp could raid the oil.
Pretty sure it's the fault of the guys who didn't shut down their airports when expecting retaliation after launching missiles at a US base, and then incompetently confused a civilian airliner for a military jet that took off from their own airport. Trump should not have assassinated Soleimani, but that does not automatically make all collateral incidents his fault.
If Iran threatened to bomb the US, had the capability to do so and the US accidentally shoots down a jet in its airspace in panic? You bet Iran would deserve some of the blame.
If a demented megalomaniac was in control of an army equivalent to the size of the US, assassinated a top congressman (regardless of how despicable that person is), and threatened to continue these attacks against your country... it's not difficult to imagine someone in the chain of command making a catastrophic mistake when tensions are so high.
We are not absolving Iran of their actions. But saying the US has zero responsibility of this tragedy is being ignorant of the circumstances they have brought upon the world.
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Don't you see how this case is different, because I sure as hell can't.
If we get out of this in 2020 with our institutions intact and the new president to lead them, we're going to have so much work to do to get our closest friends to trust our asses. Nations in our alliance expect Iran to behave irresponsibly and cruelly. The fact that they simultaneously have to contend with an American government almost intent on making it worse? Sheesh.
And even then, there's nothing to stop America from electing someone even worse a few years later. It's going to take years and years to regain that trust... And even then, I have my serious doubts.
Billionaires aren't the only one saying this. It's been a hot topic on this very website since last week. The whole world is talking about it. What's the point of your post.
ok then why do we need a thread we all know it's comparative negligence, we need a billionaire to say it
This guy should be donating to koalas right now
Let's see how far you want to take this reasoning.
We carpet bomb Tehran for a week because they are a horrible regime and they launched missiles at our air base. Thousands die. Can we still condemn Trump because Iran also has killed its own citizens?
I wouldn't blame the families of the victims at all if they thought their loved ones would still be with them were it not for Trump's actions days before.
You don't have to be a billionaire to think that Trump is an idiot.
Today I learn that many on Era would see no fault on Swatters getting people and pets killed from their phone pranks. Zero blame, they aren't pulling any triggers!
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The way I see it is kinda like this
Person 1 doesn't like Person 2 and vice versa. They both have grievances.
After posturing on both sides, Person 1 dramatically escalates the situation by pulling a gun on Person 2.
Person 2 pulls a gun back and threatens to use it, chaos ensues and the gun from Person 2 accidentally goes off killing innocent bystander(s).
They both have some fault here and if I was a family member of one of the people lost, I would be livid at both parties.
Person 1 doesn't like Person 2 and vice versa. They both have grievances.
After posturing on both sides, Person 1 dramatically escalates the situation by pulling a gun on Person 2.
Person 2 pulls a gun back and threatens to use it, chaos ensues and the gun from Person 2 accidentally goes off killing innocent bystander(s).
They both have some fault here and if I was a family member of one of the people lost, I would be livid at both parties.
Trump starts a fight and Canadians are hurt the most as a result.
Even conservatives I know here who supported Scheer and (used to?) think Trump isn't THAT bad (even after literally everything he's said and done preceeding this) aren't willing to absolve Trump so quickly
Even conservatives I know here who supported Scheer and (used to?) think Trump isn't THAT bad (even after literally everything he's said and done preceeding this) aren't willing to absolve Trump so quickly
I don't understand why people are unwilling to see what part Trump played (assassination at airport) in Iran shooting down an aircraft near their airport, but I know it's happening.
Let's say Iran assassinated the Secretary of Defense at either Dulles or Reagan international, then the US retaliated, while anticipating the possibility of airstrikes.
Don't you think US command would be a little on edge, especially monitoring the airspace around DC? Maybe even make mistakes?
It's no different than getting angry at swatters.
Don't you think US command would be a little on edge, especially monitoring the airspace around DC? Maybe even make mistakes?
It's no different than getting angry at swatters.
There's a lot of communities across Canada hurting. It's heartbreaking when there's lots of kids involved. When this tragedy has had such a big impact on the entire country, accountability is going to be discussed a lot.