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Canadian Election 2019 |OT| One Long Year of Scheer Stupidity [Update: Liberal Minority Government]

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JinnAxel

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gutter_trash said:
The main reason why the Bloc is getting a boost is all due to the resurgence of Ethnic-Natioanlisme, Provincial-Nationalisme, White-Nationalime in Quebec perpetrated by premier Legault.
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While CAQ and Legault have definitely exasperated the problem, he's hardly the cause. When there are no pressing issues happening in Quebec, Nationalism and identity comes front and center. PQ campaigned and then acted on it just as much as CAQ is acting on it now. I feel like Quebec's trend to vote Liberal is due to political habit more than coinciding views. The province's views on minorities has always felt staunchly conservative and right leaning to me, even before the rise of white nationalism.
 
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Pomerlaw said:
WUT!?
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Fork said:
gross
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Static_Void said:
Any source for that?
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The 39-year-old son of former Liberal Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau said he was raised Catholic by his father, going to church every weekend and saying prayers nightly as a family.

The elder Trudeau's Catholicism has been well documented in biographies, including one book specifically on his faith. The former prime minister was educated by the Jesuits and admitted to going regularly to church up until the last years of his life.

"I have to say, I'm really surprisingly upset. I didn't think I would be, but I am," Trudeau told The Canadian Press on Tuesday evening.

"For someone to start questioning my own faith and accusing me of being a bad Catholic, is something that I really take issue with. My own personal faith is an extremely important part of who I am and the values that I try to lead with."

Trudeau added that neither he nor his father saw any incongruity between enshrining the rights of gays and lesbians, for example, and the tenets of Catholicism. He notes that he is personally very opposed to abortion, but still believes nobody can tell a woman what she should do with her body.

"My own credo is completely consistent with that, and I'll defend my own faith and my own values to the utmost extent," Trudeau said.

"To have someone like Dean Del Mastro question me on that is, I think, we're sinking to definite new lows in politics and it doesn't surprise me, it just manages to continue to dismay me."
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Thought it was common knowledge.
 
Leeness

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I don't think there's anything wrong with being against abortion for yourself. That's your own business. As long as you're not interfering with others' choices.

And that's what he does, so I see nothing wrong with him being against it himself but pro-choice otherwise. The bolded quote above says exactly that.

🤷🏻‍♀️ I've got lots of friends who would never get an abortion for themselves, but they also have zero issue with other people doing it. That's really all it comes down to.

Which is why I'll say FUCK the conservatives for trying to make it a thing again. It's not UP TO YOU to decide. It's for women on their own to come to a conclusion.
 

Hideo GOATjima

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I know it's early but I'm getting worried the media are going to cover this election about as badly as you'd expect and Scheer will win.
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Good thing Trudeau set the campaign to last as short as possible. He's heading into the campaign with a big lead and is dodging debates with nothing to prove and everything to lose

Honestly his handlers are good lol
gutter_trash said:
Signh will be the recipient of the wrath of Bill-21 ultra-nationalsite racist voters who will take it out on the NDP.

The main reason why the Bloc is getting a boost is all due to the resurgence of Ethnic-Natioanlisme, Provincial-Nationalisme, White-Nationalime in Quebec perpetrated by premier Legault.

The racist vote is being split between Conservatives vs Bloc vs PPC.

But the Conservatives pussy footed around the question of the bill today, so the Bloc will use that as a booster against the Cons.

Liberals already have the label of the "multicultralist" party as a pejorative out of the mouths of nationalsites.

Quebec politics is disgusting
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Do you think he will come out more forcefully against the bill during the campaign, especially if it becomes a central issue?

He's at 40% in QC, and I can't imagine a large number of that are racists who would be turned off by opposing bill 21. Imo this should be a layup for him
 

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Hideo GOATjima said:
Good thing Trudeau set the campaign to last as short as possible. He's heading into the campaign with a big lead and is dodging debates with nothing to prove and everything to lose

Honestly his handlers are good lol


Do you think he will come out more forcefully against the bill during the campaign, especially if it becomes a central issue?

He's at 40% in QC, and I can't imagine a large number of that are racists who would be turned off by opposing bill 21. Imo this should be a layup for him
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This is part of why I'm worried though. A short election means days matter more, and if the media spends a week focused on SNC it could completely screw up the Liberals' game plan. Meanwhile no one is asking Scheer about abortion or gay marriage anymore.
 

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Also it pisses me off that Ford's plan to lie low for half the year seems to have succeeded in getting people to stop talking about him. Come on, teachers, strike!
 
Prax

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Teachers should strike. Everyone should. Ford is useless or worse and people should be screaming about Conjob Cons trying to pull a fast one on Canada again.
 
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I think the public will think they have a good reason for striking this time. They lost their jobs and the classrooms are overcrowded and the schools are getting a bunch of funding cuts. It's not like the teachers are refusing a modest pension/benefits increase or something.

Didn't the strikes damage Mike Harris? This is Mike Harris redux-but-stupider.
 
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Prax said:
I think the public will think they have a good reason for striking this time. They lost their jobs and the classrooms are overcrowded and the schools are getting a bunch of funding cuts. It's not like the teachers are refusing a modest pension/benefits increase or something.

Didn't the strikes damage Mike Harris? This is Mike Harris redux-but-stupider.
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I was just thinking about this with the news about classroom sizes happening now. I grew up during the Harris strikes and I am now of the age where I am basically the "middle class" voter with 2.4 children. Yet somehow the majority of my peers chose to vote for Ford, despite literally suffering through the Harris years themselves, so honestly I think even kids from the 90s blame teachers for striking.
 
Tiktaalik

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Yeah, the NDP need something better than "we're kinda like the Liberals but we'll actually be more socialist and ethical, promise!" Liberals at least also actually win in big numbers federally, so it's a hard sell. especially since Singh himself is a lot like Trudeau image-wise, when being less fashionably slick might have at least reinforced the working class edge NDP generally had.
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Yeah the party that is proposing a 1% Wealth Tax to fund universal pharmacare and mental health care, and proposes Portugal style opiod drug decriminalization to deal with the overdose crisis is 'kinda like the Liberals' lmao.

Very low effort troll attempt I gotta say.

Singh has pulled the party radically to the left from the centrist positions of Layton and Mulcair. The platform is all there to read. The NDP has never been more different than the Liberals.
 
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firehawk12 said:
I was just thinking about this with the news about classroom sizes happening now. I grew up during the Harris strikes and I am now of the age where I am basically the "middle class" voter with 2.4 children. Yet somehow the majority of my peers chose to vote for Ford, despite literally suffering through the Harris years themselves, so honestly I think even kids from the 90s blame teachers for striking.
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Minus the hardcore conservative crowd, people literally believed Ford that no one would lose their job. They thought he'd make everything better and cheaper.

The fact that his ratings tanked so much shows how little people were paying attention.
 
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Given that the press gave the Royals shit for flying private jets to events while trying to champion climate action, has anyone pointed out the environmental damage of campaign jets yet? lol
 
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Kernel said:
Minus the hardcore conservative crowd, people literally believed Ford that no one would lose their job. They thought he'd make everything better and cheaper.

The fact that his ratings tanked so much shows how little people were paying attention.
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The sad thing is that the kids who are angry now are probably going to vote Conservative in 20 years anyway. lol

I mean, I know that young people ultimately disappoint because the rebels of a previous decade inevitably become the establishment of the next decade, but Ford is probably the first time I've seen it happen in person and it makes me feel even more hopeless. :p

(Literally the kids who suffered OSAP cuts 20 years ago are going to pay more for their own kids' education because of the OSAP cuts in 2019.)
 
Tiktaalik

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wow lol a national housing speculation tax at.... 1% lolol. 1 > 0 tho right guys so they're doing something!!?

This is basically the definition of doing something for appearances. I could list off half a dozen more impactful things that could be done to dissuade housing speculation but that would actually involve doing something and upsetting people so obviously off the table.
 
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firehawk12 said:
The sad thing is that the kids who are angry now are probably going to vote Conservative in 20 years anyway. lol
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That's probably not true for everyone but I wish we could break that cycle someday.

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wow lol a national housing speculation tax at.... 1% lolol. 1 > 0 tho right guys so they're doing something!!?
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I'm guessing our economy relies too much on the housing bubble to just pop it.

Same reason Trudeau isn't really cracking down on the money laundering from China.
 
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Tiktaalik said:


wow lol a national housing speculation tax at.... 1% lolol. 1 > 0 tho right guys so they're doing something!!?

This is basically the definition of doing something for appearances. I could list off half a dozen more impactful things that could be done to dissuade housing speculation but that would actually involve doing something and upsetting people so obviously off the table.
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It's actually impressive how much they're pandering to people who can't even vote.

It's pretty simple, citizens and PR's excluded from the tax and make the tax at least 25% (at current growth that equates to a 3-5 year investment to break even) for anyone who does not currently reside in Canada or hold a valid work visa. Relax lending again because that is causing major issues across the country in housing markets that aren't impacted by foreign buyers.
 
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Yeah the party that is proposing a 1% Wealth Tax to fund universal pharmacare and mental health care, and proposes Portugal style opiod drug decriminalization to deal with the overdose crisis is 'kinda like the Liberals' lmao.

Very low effort troll attempt I gotta say.

Singh has pulled the party radically to the left from the centrist positions of Layton and Mulcair. The platform is all there to read. The NDP has never been more different than the Liberals.
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It's not a troll attempt. I'm serious. His image doesn't really match his policies so the public probably just has a vague idea about him in their minds besides being "brown" and having a turban (I think the general public wouldn't be able to specify Sikhism).

The fact that Trudeau already had the image of "progressive city man and likes diversity?" additionally makes Singh just look like an also-ran (is that the word? lol).

DOES THE GENERAL PUBLIC READ PLATFORMS???
 

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Pomerlaw said:
Where is that from? Link?
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Moppeh said:
I originally saw that chart posted by a federal NDP candidate from Hamilton. Not sure if he was the original source of it but it looks accurate.

There are Wikipedia articles that list out newspaper endorsements from the past few elections. Here's 2015: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_2015_Canadian_federal_election
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I originally found it in a twitter thread a couple weeks back (I believe it was around the time some stuff was going down in Atlantic Canada with the family that owns all of the papers and a lot of the major companies (sorry the name escapes me at the moment edit: Irvings I think), as Moppeh said, it is sourced from the list of Newspaper endorsements on Wikipedia.
 
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Tiktaalik said:
Yeah only poor people care about social services Jagmeet should be dressing down like a hobo wtf
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It is not really Singh's fault. He can't change who he is or he'd be criticized as fake too lol--also is a hobo considered working class?? The NDP as a party picked him to represent them and their policies, unfortunately, and that public image dissonance is the issue.

Sometimes I don't even think he really knows his own party's policies or I am unsure he helped come up with any of them, let alone understand or believe in them? To me, he seems to have worse gaffes when it comes to looking clueless than Trudeau--and Trudeau has a lot of those haha. Trudeau probably has better handlers and coaching team in comparison.




My sister is excited for this new homebuyer plan. She's gonna use it. So it's probably going to be popular enough lol.
 
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It was literally factually incorrect (obvious from a read of the Globe source) but yeah sure #fakenews


Liberal housing policy continues to be garbage (in fairness so is everyone elses)



Yeah let's give folks free money that'll totally make house prices go down lol.
 
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You don't want house prices to go down. You want them to plateau for 5-10 years at a minimum. A crash in prices while helping people enter the market, decimates the financial well being of those who just entered the market which is then reflected in the overall health of the economy. Boomers are insulated from any crash, their wealth is well established. People in the 30-45 year age bracket are at significant financial risk with any meaningful decline in the housing market which doesn't bode well for the economy long term.

I don't know if increasing the threshold to 800k will accelerate the market, that is basically the entry point but it's made the qualification changes largely redundant. It's flat out stupid the way they've approached the hot markets of BC and Ontario by applying blanket policy to the whole country, damaging stable markets, then providing exceptions for the hot markets effectively negating the policy they implemented to slow them down in the first place.
 
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Abortion isn't going away for the CPC or the campaign.


OTTAWA - Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer's first stop on the second day of the federal election campaign was preoccupied by the ongoing abortion debate that has dogged the Tories for the past several weeks.

Making a quick stop in North York, Toronto, Scheer dismissed another video posted by the Liberal Party on Twitter, showing the Conservative representative for York Centre, Rachel Willson, expressing her desire to end abortion, via "pro-life legislation" at a rally on Parliament Hill in Ottawa.
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No, because you act like a child by using immature nicknames to label political opponents, just like Trump does. This shows your immaturity. You act and sound like a 12-year old.
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You posted a news update about the very subject that I talked about 3 days earlier that Back in The Future confirms what I was saying that you got mad at me for calling out Mulcair's choices of candidates when he was in charge of recruiting candidates.

This, bruh is all on Mulcair and his selection process of candidates during 2011 and 2015 and guys like Nantel are after taste from that
 
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