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Capcom makes last minute decision to ban Daigo Umehara's hit-box controller at Combo Breaker tournament
- Thread starter Teh_Lurv
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Are all hitboxes banned? I don't see what Daigo's hitbox has over a regular one that gives him an advantage. If it has SOCD, it's ok.
360 is easy. Like with a stick, you don't have to complete the full circle, right>down>left>up is enough. Don't know about a 720 because my hitbox has a WASD shape so it's not so easy for me, but I never play grapplers so I'm fine. Could be easier on a real hitbox.
360 is easy. Like with a stick, you don't have to complete the full circle, right>down>left>up is enough. Don't know about a 720 because my hitbox has a WASD shape so it's not so easy for me, but I never play grapplers so I'm fine. Could be easier on a real hitbox.
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What do you mean by "aesthetics" here? This isn't a broad hitbox ban, it's a ban of a specific type of custom hitbox.
The closest PC gaming analogue would be mapping Jump to scroll wheel for bhop. This ruling is wack.
And Street Fighter V itself reads Left+Right as Forward, relative to character orientation, by default.
And Street Fighter V itself reads Left+Right as Forward, relative to character orientation, by default.
What? Everyone at tourney uses modified controller to suit their playstyle. As long as it doesn't have turbo or macro enabled its fine. Is Capcom also going to ban people with optical joysticks or Cherry MX buttons?
I kinda want a Daigo approved sticker to put on my hitbox now lol
It's definitely harder imo. After using a hitbox for ~4 years I've never gotten good at doing it consistently, but tbf none of the characters I play use 360s
I think it's fair to ban it since it can literally do something different than all the other controllers available. It's like an unintended maneuver the devs didn't account for.
Actually now I'm thinking of someone playing on a keyboard..... Couldn't they do the same thing?
Actually now I'm thinking of someone playing on a keyboard..... Couldn't they do the same thing?
quite literally a keyboard in a box with ergonomically button placement so that its able to be handled like a stick. the poor mans version of a hitbox is just some rando usb keyboard and learning to play fg on that
oh wow, never seen or heard of that before
thx!
Ah ok.. I misunderstood what the device does..thanks for the clarification.
about comfort not being grounds for a ban.. i disagree to a blanket statement like that. comfort / discomfort can be the reason why you utilize tech or not. if shits uncomfortable you may hesitate to go for it out of fear of messing up / not getting the hand in the right positioning etc. whereas you would be stupid to not utilize tech that is absolutely free and easy to do on your type of input method
Not all hitboxes are banned. The exact issue is that Daigo's has a non-standard SOCD situation.
This particular custom hitbox does not work that way, it goes with the last button pressed. So SFV gets that input information.
Oh absolutely, there is nothing wrong with good ergonomics
Really? I also almost never play grapplers but I think it might be even easier, it's quicker to input right>down>left>up than do a motion with a stick. I mean, I never had a problem with that input and I use a WASD shape hitbox, works 100% of the time.
capcom has known them for years tho. i mean they are at every tournament and wasn't there a mahvel infinite player on hitbox that won a tourney or something? as others pointed out this is more about the super custom version that daigo uses
Daigo has a hardware mod to circumvent the way the game handles simultaneous left right and up down inputs.
Gafro, the guy who makes it, is Japanese, and Hitbox (the company) is an American operation.
Daigo's custom hit box(gafrobox) is banned but general hitbox controllers are still game. Title kinda makes it sound like there's a problem with normal hitboxes
In practice, there is no difference between getting the last button pressed in SFV vs just getting relative forward. You'd be able to do many of the same things with both methods (some of them, Pad players are already using).
I don't agree with it but after seeing them at tekken or soul cali it tournies I can see why capcom has gone this route. Sucks their lack of just limiting input is preventing a superior method from being demonstrated.
My beef as usual is another input method has shown standard controllers to be shit for a genere and the industry blames the better tech instead of fixing the standard one. this irks me for fighters cause most of the community knows if you use an input what results you get are on you.
We won't get better gamepads in these areas despite the inflated cost of devices that can't cant do the job all that well in a lot of known genres.
I was gonna make one myself for 80$ just been invested in other things.
Eggs you can make the parallel to kb&m it really is superior to even sticks if you can adjust.
The adder said the best line in the thread and to come it's a trumped up execution barrier ban.
My beef as usual is another input method has shown standard controllers to be shit for a genere and the industry blames the better tech instead of fixing the standard one. this irks me for fighters cause most of the community knows if you use an input what results you get are on you.
We won't get better gamepads in these areas despite the inflated cost of devices that can't cant do the job all that well in a lot of known genres.
I was gonna make one myself for 80$ just been invested in other things.
Eggs you can make the parallel to kb&m it really is superior to even sticks if you can adjust.
The adder said the best line in the thread and to come it's a trumped up execution barrier ban.
I'd much prefer hitboxes. Takes less time to better nail advanced inputs. Even with the most advanced craftsmanship, joysticks can't be 100% reliable.
Correct BUT the issue is this is a hardware mod and that's banned. This is not a Hitbox ban or Hitbox is too good.
Is anyone doing on a pad what Daigo is doing with flashkicks on his Gafro box? Show me a clip. If that's the case this ruling is indeed wack.
Yeah i dunno may just be a weird personal hangup cuz literally every other kind of input comes out smoothly for me.
It's not a hardware mod. This is the default behavior of the Brooks Audio PCB that Gafro uses. It was also added as an option to Brooks Universal PCBs.
It's not a ban on all hitboxes, just Daigo's custom one. It doesn't function like a regular hitbox does.
Oh I think a lot of people don't like the idea of this new style controller supplanting the iconic arcade stick. I think until right this critical moment the two sides of the argument have been that it's either just another controller, or it's something that is like a joystick but better.
It's really no different than the keyboard, though, so I don't know about the reason being that it's a competitive advantage. It really is just another controller.
and even though people play on all kinds of different controllers now, I think that classic arcade stick is emblematic of all fighting game history. If the hitbox really is better, and daigo is going to endorce it this way, there may be a concern that joysticks or perhaps even other kinds of traditional controllers would fall by the wayside.
So my logic that is it the keyboards okay, they are really only concerned about the hitbox getting too popular simply because a lot of people think it's ugly, or some kind of bastardization of classic controllers, or something like that.
While this decision only apply for this event, I think it shows that they at least one more time to think about this, and have erred on the side of banning it. They may have to ban keyboards as well to make it more logical.
I happen to agree with it. I've seen good examples of this consideration that. Take for example formula one. One season, the constructors had a great idea to stick little post on the cars that went straight up from about where your side mirror would normally be. so these things stick straight up right to the top of the regulation height for the car, and they stick Little wings on these things that go out sideways they're trying to get more wing surface area while not breaking the rules. And they're not breaking the rules. They called them x-wings oh, and everyone decided they were hideous so they were banned. They were only used because everyone else would be using them as long as they were allowed. It added nothing to the competition and the fans hated looking at it. This was a good ruling.
fast forward years later in the same sport, and they come up with this sort of roll cage around the cars that they call a Halo. Fans and spectators also hate halos. Because halos look hideous. But Halo save lives, so they are not just allowed to stay but mandated. This was also a good ruling.
That's my take.
This has got me peeked. I'm not informed on sticks to know something like that. What makes his stick superior to another hitbox like controller?
While charging down, you can press up without letting down button. With regular hitbox, you need to let down because there has to be a neutral input between down and up.
Think it's pretty BS to change your stance at the last minute. But I guess I can see the issue with it being custom tho.
You're spinning elaborate theories but the reasoning for this particular hitbox being banned and not other ones is all laid out. Nobody is worried about the aesthetics, hitboxes have been in use for a long time. It's the specifics of input handling that is drawing a critical eye.
"Due to this method, Daigo can, for example, perform a Sonic Boom command with Guile (charge back for a few frames and then press forward and a punch button) without ever releasing the backwards input, allowing him to return to charging for a follow-up Sonic Boom immediately."
This is about banning a particular SOCD method. Hitboxes regularly appear at fighting game events and will continue to.