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Fat4all

Woke up, got a money tag, swears a lot
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but my McDonald's fries scented butt plugs are making me bank
 

DrROBschiz

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Harshly regulated capitalism can work but certain parts of society have to be completely separated from market influence.

Public policy, Environment, Health and Safety have to be in the hands of people ans government and capitalists need to step the fuck back

Im pessimistic that we can ever fully box market forces where they belong and separate them from humanitarian interests

Rough times ahrad for the world are in store if we continue to put markets ahead of human interests
 

BocoDragon

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I'll never understand why a video game forum is so anti-capitalist. Good luck producing all of these games on the regular without a profit motive.
 

Omegasquash

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Harshly regulated capitalism can work but certain parts of society have to be completely separated from market influence.

Public policy, Environment, Health and Safety have to be in the hands of people ans government and capitalists need to step the fuck back

Im pessimistic that we can ever fully box market forces where they belong and separate them from humanitarian interests

Rough times ahrad for the world are in store if we continue to put markets ahead of human interests

Well put. Unchecked 'capitalism' (aka greed) has taken the reins. Regulation from governments need to be put in place and enforced, or actually enforced if you want to be real about it, in order to re-establish wage growth that matches rising prices and costs.

Rent, interest rates, education, to name a few are HUGE drags and/or barriers to entry into a market that is, I believe, supposed to thrive on innovation, good work, and equal opportunity. Greed (and other morally void self interests), poison that well right good.
 

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I'll never understand why a video game forum is so anti-capitalist. Good luck producing all of these games on the regular without a profit motive.
What is intrinsically different about videogames compared to other goods/services? Just because you have never imagined it working, doesn't mean that it isn't possible.
Tons of world renowned art/entertainment is non profit or has been developed under even 20th century Marxism Leninism.
 

BocoDragon

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What is intrinsically different about videogames compared to other goods/services? Just because you have never imagined it working, doesn't mean that it isn't possible.
Tons of world renowned art/entertainment is non profit or has been developed under even 20th century Marxism Leninism.
So.... Tetris? :P

Seriously everything good coming out of the Soviet nation seems like it was in spite of the communist regime, not because of it. Even Tarkovsky was subject to censorship and suppression.

I also see what entertainment comes out of government money here in Canada: pap. Boring safe crap that falls in line with the boring values of the nation.

Marxist money has strings attached: the art you produce is suposed to serve the group, and that makes for dull, boring safe garbage. You will not have the carnival of diverse artistic expression under any kind of socialism or communism compared with capitalism.
 
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Omegasquash

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My thoughts exactly. Rather have capitalism than communism.

Any kind of governing system 'ism' has its weaknesses. It's just that the population needs to be vigilant, and ensure that the rule of law is interpreted correctly and established. Even then, there's always, ALWAYS a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Guess that is to say nothing is perfect, but fuck me if haven't done a terrible job of implementing the system from darn near the get go.
 

Ms.Galaxy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'll never understand why a video game forum is so anti-capitalist. Good luck producing all of these games on the regular without a profit motive.

Most on Era are more for heavily regulated capitalism (tax the rich more, distribute the wealth better, stronger social safety net), rather than actual socialism (workers control the means of production).
 

shamanick

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Oct 29, 2017
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It's a mistake to think that the only alternative to capitalism is Soviet-style communism. No reasonable person on the left would believe that you can replace an entire socio-economic system whole cloth at will. It's more important than ever, I believe, to be hyper critical of capitalist policies that are failing the people - such as the profit motive in the healthcare industry.
 

Giant Panda

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Oct 25, 2017
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I can't watch the video, is it about capitalism or non-compete clauses? I think non-compete should be heavily reigned in, especially on lower level employees.

If it's about capitalism in general, then that's dead wrong. Capitalist welfare states have by far been the most successful in making citizens better off, and no other system can even match it in theory or practice.
 

Boiled Goose

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I'll never understand why a video game forum is so anti-capitalist. Good luck producing all of these games on the regular without a profit motive.

Capitalism driving entertainment is different from capitalism determining health coverage.

I doubt anyone on this forum would want to socialize game development.

What's so bizarre is instead the religious zealot like defense of capitalism arising from a lifetime of deliberate indoctrination
 

GameAddict411

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'll never understand why a video game forum is so anti-capitalist. Good luck producing all of these games on the regular without a profit motive.
I agree with this. Capitalism have been proven to have the highest quality of life on average per person. The only issue is that if regulation is not done correctly, it leads tons of issues when it comes to protecting minorities, or the poor. It also leads to weak environmental protections. There are several small countries that have found a more perfect balance to make capitalism work. But we have never seen a communist country thrive in any way. It always leads to famine, corruption, poverty, war, and depressed economy.
 
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I don't get what he's saying about the IPL. They raised the poverty line and that meant less poor people? It would be the opposite.

This whole thing just reads like propaganda for simpletons. Maybe a puppet show wasn't the best format.
 
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Deleted member 9986

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People who spend lots of time in make-believe fantasy worlds tend to be the same kind of people attracted to communism and other utopian social structures.
-.-

Marxism, especially Marxism-Leninism is radically anti-utopian. How you could come to the conclusion that it is utopian when doing your own research? You must be repeating something you have been told somewhere.

I don't get what he's saying about the IPL. They raised the poverty line and that meant less poor people? It would be the opposite.
It rises slower than inflation, his other argument is stronger (that it is based on the poorest of the poor nations' ppp).
 

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Marxist money has strings attached: the art you produce is suposed to serve the group, and that makes for dull, boring safe garbage. You will not have the carnival of diverse artistic expression under any kind of socialism or communism compared with capitalism.
I get what you're saying, but it's not like it's much different under late capitalism. Diverse artistic expression will thrive under any economic model, and the USSR was a notoriously flawed implementation of Marxist ideology. Art's already produced to serve the group because that's the safest way to profit. That's why we have a billion superhero movies, franchise revivals, reboots, etc flooding theaters and streaming services.
 
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I'll never understand why a video game forum is so anti-capitalist. Good luck producing all of these games on the regular without a profit motive.

I'd rather have a nice earth to live in then videogames tbh. Also we have the internet now so I don't really need megacorps holding exciting content hostage in the giant debt fueled ponzi scheme that is late stage capitaism to kill time when I'm bored.
 
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Capitalism can work when there is a strong welfare state that redistributes the inherent disproportionate imbalances of the market. It works pretty darn well in the Scandinavian countries in the form of Nordic Model Social Democracy.

There is a middle ground that is left of Neoliberal Capitalism but right of Centrally-planned, 1-party-led dictatorial Communism (i.e., Marxism–Leninism).

It's called Social Democracy, and it works.
 

CoolestSpot

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I'll never understand why a video game forum is so anti-capitalist. Good luck producing all of these games on the regular without a profit motive.
I mean, if they're being made without profit, we'd probably get a lot more indie games which would be made purely with passion...

Which is most of my game time spent on already so...
 

Dark Knight

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Surprising amount of people in here happily defending their place in this existence as a feudal serf.
 

gozu

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Harshly regulated capitalism can work but certain parts of society have to be completely separated from market influence.

Public policy, Environment, Health and Safety have to be in the hands of people ans government and capitalists need to step the fuck back

Im pessimistic that we can ever fully box market forces where they belong and separate them from humanitarian interests

Rough times ahrad for the world are in store if we continue to put markets ahead of human interests

I will add the justice system to that list, all the way from poor people with public defenders not getting a fair defense because public defenders are extremely junior/overloaded/underpaid, to unethical for-profit prisons with toxic incentives to ensure recidivism.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Why is it that the criticism to capitalism criticism is always "it's all we have unless you want communism"? It's so intellectually fraudulent, and without much reasoned thought. Capitalism is exploitative, and the arguments pointed out against it define correctly why it appeared that American capitalism was successful when really it was a system that happened to benefit from a century of situations where former world powers were dissolved and destroyed due to massive wars. Capitalism has one end, and it's awful for everyone except a very few.
 

Mr. X

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Once you realize you spend more awake hours at work than with fam and friends, you see how broken our society has become. We are told to bust ass to make other dudes who view us like batteries rich and comfortable instead. Then dumber people tell us anything different is socialism/communism.
 

Lump

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I at least want proper government regulation, but it seems that's a naive fantasy.
 

mael

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Worker owned businesses can be for profit, no?
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Makers of Dead Cells, all employees are paid the same wages and own equal shares of the company.
I didn't hear to much complaining about Dead Cells being an also ran creatively bankrupt mess of a game so apparently producing video games in these types of companies do work.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Once you realize you spend more awake hours at work than with fam and friends, you see how broken our society has become. We are told to bust ass to make other dudes who view us like batteries rich and comfortable instead. Then dumber people tell us anything different is socialism/communism.
Corporations see humans as less than batteries, they see us as dysfunctional necessities that are easily replaceable. Something they must have, but really do not want nor have any human compassion for.
 

SaveWeyard

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Surprising amount of people in here happily defending their place in this existence as a feudal serf.
Capitalism is different than feudalism, but at least the comparison makes sense since both are ways to describe systems, and it seems that a neoliberal ideology has indeed led to the re-emergence of a sort of managerial feudalism.

Compare this to the capitalism vs. socialism debate these threads normally turn into, which makes no sense since capitalism is, again, a way to describe a system, while socialism is an ideology.