Saw the movie last night and really enjoyed it. Looking forward to seeing more Captain Marvel in the MCU going forward.
https://www.bullshido.net/waif-washing-hollywoods-problem-with-athletic-women/
This is a woman's perspective that pretty much nails down my issues with a lot of the castings of female actresses in these Marvel movies.
The fact that they're superpowered beings is a false excuse, because Thor is a superpowered being and Hemsworth is still asked to look the part. Spiderman gets his superpowers overnight and he still develops muscle mass. There's this bizzarre disparity between female and male superheroes where the guys are required to look handsome AND athletic/powerful/actual superheroes, and the women are required to look pretty. Brie particularly stood out to me because she doesn't look athletic (but that's ok, no superheroine has looked athletic so far, and given how many insecure man keep commenting on how athletic women look unfeminine, I can almost see the reason) but she doesn't even look fit - just thin.
And I've experienced women being frustrated about this - both my wife and expecially my sister, who does martial arts, commented on how every male actor is required to bulk up and look like they could throw and take a punch, while the female actresses seem to be required to still look good in a dress and god forbid they have some arms definition or look "strong".
https://www.bullshido.net/waif-washing-hollywoods-problem-with-athletic-women/
This is a woman's perspective that pretty much nails down my issues with a lot of the castings of female actresses in these Marvel movies.
The fact that they're superpowered beings is a false excuse, because Thor is a superpowered being and Hemsworth is still asked to look the part. Spiderman gets his superpowers overnight and he still develops muscle mass. There's this bizzarre disparity between female and male superheroes where the guys are required to look handsome AND athletic/powerful/actual superheroes, and the women are required to look pretty. Brie particularly stood out to me because she doesn't look athletic (but that's ok, no superheroine has looked athletic so far, and given how many insecure man keep commenting on how athletic women look unfeminine, I can almost see the reason) but she doesn't even look fit - just thin.
And I've experienced women being frustrated about this - both my wife and expecially my sister, who does martial arts, commented on how every male actor is required to bulk up and look like they could throw and take a punch, while the female actresses seem to be required to still look good in a dress and god forbid they have some arms definition or look "strong".
I actualy loved this movie. I had somehow lower expectations due to online critics but I realy enjoyed the ride!
And the Stan Lee cameo was realy good.
I found this movie genuinely upsetting. Main character's ordeal just felt traumatic in a way I wouldn't expect out of a superhero flick.
It's very relatable because it's what we had to go through ourselves. The moment you go against the grain in this world, men seem incapable of stopping themselves trying to push you down. You spend your entire life fighting to be who you want to be, getting back up after being knocked down time and time again, and for what? The world to ask you when you're settling down and having kids.
Carol was a superhero before she even got any powers, if you ask me. Any woman who follows the path she wants to in spite of the resistance the world throws at her is a superhero.
The use of "the Supreme Intelligence" to represent a patriarchy that must not be questioned was salient, I thought. Especially considering its use of subconscious—the tenets it espouses literally arise from what has been internalized. It's terribly clever.
Wait, how did the Supreme Intelligence represent the patriarchy?
Worst parts:I suppose it was supposed to be obvious about how Jude Law was actually going to be the bad guy and not Talos? Some of the special effects early on were rough, the dialogue and direction thereof, Nick Fury's hair. Why didn't CM just destroy Ronan's and the other ships? She literally jut flew through the other ship with the warheads on it like they were nothing. I know Ronan had to survive to be the antagonist in GotG, but still. He shouldn't have even been 10 feet away from her to begin with.
I felt like this was her saying "Back off, Earth's mine, go tell all your dumb mates". If she'd just blown up the ships they'd keep sending reinforcements/attack from further away I imagine.
I feel like the premise of the story needed to focus a bit more on her desire to solve the mystery of her origin. It's a bit weird that she's part of this alien race that look exactly like humans, has no memory of her past, and then she lands on earth, where everyone looks *exactly* like her and it's just kind of like "whatever"
Also saw it last night.
I was pleasantly surprised, the reactions I gathered from the internet seemd a lot more negative (though I also ignored all the politics involved, so I have no idea what really went down there).
First ~15min reminded me of Thor: The Dark World tbh, in terms of space mumbo jumbo, but I really liked the mystery that started afterwards. Loved Fury in this.
I still don't know why she's called Captain Marvel, though. They never even dropped that name.
Yeah, she was called Mar-Vell, but I still don't get why she adopted the name. I guess out of admiration or something, but the movie never hinted at anything in particular, which I felt was kind of odd.They said that her scientist friend was named Mar-Vel
Personally not having it as her call sign aka Captain Carol "Marvel" Danvers felt like the obvious place for a name drop but they obviously had other plans for that
It represents what Jude Law taught her, to restrict/confine herself to the bounds he's established. It takes the shape of a trusted figure, a part of herself she has internalized, and tries to hold her back from becoming what she wants to/can be. The equivalence is made most explicit in the scene where she overcomes the intelligence, which is intercut with shots of her encounters with sexism in her earlier life on earth—one of these shots in particular takes place during a conflict with her father. The phrase "supreme intelligence" in itself suggests something that cannot be questioned, that represents the final say—the height of knowledge. "The way things are." She, fittingly, destroys it.
has this been discussed?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/noradominick/captain-marvel-detail-related-to-age-of-ultron-nick-fury
fury is a skrull
has this been discussed?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/noradominick/captain-marvel-detail-related-to-age-of-ultron-nick-fury
fury is a skrull
The article is incorrect. In AoU, when Fury picks up the sandwich it is not cut diagonally.yeah, I mean it seems like dumb buzzfeed bs at first, but it's such an odd detail that also happens to have been seen in the movies by a character with not a ton of screen time
edit: also something that bothered me when I saw it
skrull-boy acts all scared of the flurkin in the house. Fury is all about cat. In the ship toward the end, the flurkin runs up to disguised skrull-boy and they're all friendly. was it misdirection? also I suck at names
I didn't get it at first, it was hours after I saw the movie, unsatisfied with those scenes, thinking I had missed something because they didn't seem important to the plot. Then it clicked for me and I instantly developed a deep appreciation for the script.That's actually a really interesting interpretation, and I didn't read into it deeply enough to get that, but when it's laid out like that, I can see it.
She isI found this movie genuinely upsetting. Main character's ordeal just felt traumatic in a way I wouldn't expect out of a superhero flick.
Worst parts:I suppose it was supposed to be obvious about how Jude Law was actually going to be the bad guy and not Talos? Some of the special effects early on were rough, the dialogue and direction thereof, Nick Fury's hair. Why didn't CM just destroy Ronan's and the other ships? She literally jut flew through the other ship with the warheads on it like they were nothing. I know Ronan had to survive to be the antagonist in GotG, but still. He shouldn't have even been 10 feet away from her to begin with.
Unless I missed something, they never actually refer to her as Captain Marvel in the movie. Just Vers or Carol Danvers.Yeah, she was called Mar-Vell, but I still don't get why she adopted the name. I guess out of admiration or something, but the movie never hinted at anything in particular, which I felt was kind of odd.
Yeah, she was called Mar-Vell, but I still don't get why she adopted the name. I guess out of admiration or something, but the movie never hinted at anything in particular, which I felt was kind of odd.
I'm bumping this thread because I just watched this video and I agree with just about every criticism this guy has of the film.
Well, almost everything. I thought the explanation for Fury's scar was funny.
What conclusion is that?It's pretty funny how pretty much every male "nerd film" YouTuber came to the same conclusions about Captain Marvel.
Certainly it seems that actual audiences seem to have disagreed.
I also agree that it's not very compelling to have Carol's solution to every situation be "Just Get Stronger."
What conclusion is that?
I'm not a youtuber. I was an actual audience member. I largely agree with his points in the video. It mostly comes down to a poor script, but the film also features very bland editing, music & action. Carol herself is upstaged by just about every other character that she interacts with in the film.
The one aspect of the video I really think resonated with me is the concept that Carol should have been more emotionally invested with her Kree team. We should have seen her have to wrestle with the conflict of fighting against her teammates. If she actually cared about them it would have created some actual drama and tension when she had to fight them at the end, but instead she destroys these people like she just met them the night before.
As it stands in the film, which I saw twice, I don't even know any of her Kree teammate's names except for Yon-Rogg.
I also agree that it's not very compelling to have Carol's solution to every situation be "Just Get Stronger."
She literally just "gets stronger" whenever the plot calls for it.
What are you even trying to imply by saying "male?" We just dismiss all criticism by conflating it with MRA trolls now?
Well, obviously that wouldn't be the case in the hypothetical rewrite. They shouldn't have written the team dynamic that way. I mean, it's not like they serve a good payoff to them either way. I gained no satiafaction from their defeat in the movie as it is.your criticism of the team are stupid, it is even adressed in the movie, the team always saw carol as and outsider, so why would she feel bad about fighting these people?