Both niers.
The house in fata Morgana.
Also Laura Kate Dale had a really good Twitter thread on why the games treatment of Erica is pretty terrible.
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Catherine: Full Body Announced for the PS4 and PS Vita [Updated]
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Both niers.
Also Laura Kate Dale had a really good Twitter thread on why the games treatment of Erica is pretty terrible.
Yep, those tweets summarize the issue pretty nicely. Kinda surprised that there isn't much talk around this topic (perhaps because it was buried in one of the endings); I remember when it came out some heralded Catherine as a "mature" game, while it is anything but.
It also unfortunate in that the gameplay is pure bliss. Really conflicted about the whole thing, as I said I really want to buy it on Vita but at the same time I'd like more people, especially on these forums, to partake the conversation.
Though about that "gag" ending I kinda remembered it more as him being pissed at erica for not telling him first instead of being grossed out seeing that they were still together in the end, but it's been awhile since I played it. Which I felt was a perfectly fair character flaw to have seeing that the game's general theme is how people hurt each other by not being truthful.
But yeah in general not great.
But yeah in general not great.
Now that the game is releasing for a second time, I'm really hoping that more people will become aware of its issues with LGBT characters. Having them widely known and discussed would be a good first step to future titles (even outside of Atlus) being better about them.
Seeing how they treated their gay characters in P5?
I doubt it.
I still like atlus a lot but if their trend of including incredibly homophobic and transphobic bits into their games continue they might become a company I'm unable to support.
I doubt it.
I still like atlus a lot but if their trend of including incredibly homophobic and transphobic bits into their games continue they might become a company I'm unable to support.
I didn't want to post the screenshot since there might be people who haven't played the game reading this thread, but I feel like the ending makes it very clear that they're still together after the revelation. It feels like I comes off as an extremely tasteless lazy joke, rather than a statement that their relationship is impossible to work.
I have hope that with a particularly sensitive hand doing another localization pass on the script, all these elements can be smoothed out, but the countless disappointments of Persona 5's localization doesn't give me hope.
As nice as it would be, the issues are with the script itself. I don't know how they could be localized without deviating completely. I also have no idea if Atlus USA's translators even care about these sort of issues...
As a story, it's better. As a game, it's a fun block-pushing puzzler that I would never compare to a large RPG.
The biggest flaw with it is that the story and gameplay don't meaningfully complement each other, even if they're both fun. It's like if you were watching a great movie and every 20 minutes someone stopped it and said "OK, now play Tetris for 20 minutes," and then after that stopped your game and went back to the movie. The gameplay is literally all dream sequences with a tenuous impact on the actual story. The gameplay and story might both be good, but the way they're put together is disjointed.
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I was about to post this. I dig her.famitsu cover featuring the 3rd Catherine, Rin.
She really makes me think of a an angelic Catherine, so I think she's either an angel or its a misdirect and she's a haraguro. She has a background though. Did Catherine ever get any background? I remember her being super mysterious.
so Catherine with a C 's chaotic evil. Katherine with a K is chaotic neutral and Rin is chaotic good ?
you can spell katherine as kathryn, localisation team take note.
EDIT: Oh so she is called Rin?
EDIT: Oh so she is called Rin?
That smile, oh man.
RE: Erica- Guys, there are many people in this thread who have NOT yet played the game, including yours truly, so it'd be appreciated if you could carry that discussion into another thread.
Weird going from a game with realistic looking characters with natural hair colors to a girl with bright pink hair.
Maybe it's dyed.
Also Atlus has notoriously sucked with LGBT representation in nearly everything except P3P. Doubt they're going to change anything with Erika.
Maybe it's dyed.
Also Atlus has notoriously sucked with LGBT representation in nearly everything except P3P. Doubt they're going to change anything with Erika.
So here is what Im wondering...
Clean version
Is she also a succubus or supernatural like Catherine?
I saw Katherine as more of a lawful good as it represented stability. I have no clue what they could do with Rin if she's supposed to be good. Maybe not 'cheat' with her, but fall in love and break up with Katherine before going out with Rin? That would be chaotic good. Completely spit balling here as we know nothing about her atm.
I have faith that with enough freedom, they could make it markedly better (even if not perfect). It's on a much smaller scale, but the writing in the Persona 4 camp scene with Kanji are just enough so that your protagonist has the option of standing in solidarity with Kanji instead of two different ways of being mean spirited.
But you're right that the most prominent Atlus USA localization staff is gone, and the Atlus we're currently stuck with can't even do anything about the fairly wretched P5 beach scene.
I would love if one of the extra "goof" endings is ..
All the Catherine's getting together and beating the shit out of Vincent for his antics.
Well, considering they're saying that she's a genuinely nice person, and a more straightforward character, if they're indeed adding her own route and endings, maybe she just wants to help Vincent with whatever choice he makes (here enters the info about her impacting both the other routes), but you can go with the ultimate scumbag route and fall in love with the girl that is just trying to help you save your relationship, ditching Katherine for her.
On the first screenshot
Orlando notices Rin's presence, so she must be real
Interesting, I wouldnt have guessed from her crazy hair color, she must be an idol.
She's referred to as Catherine, so I'm assuming there are endings where he ends up with her. Now, if she is supposed to be a good character, I think that'll be really hard to acheive. I don't think dumping Katherine to go out with Rin is a scumbag move necessarily, certainly less so than cheating on her, though I suppose since the 'cheating' still takes place that greatly complicates things.
Honestly this is getting grating. People whining about the "realism" of Rin's hair compared to Catherine's fucking slinky hair that no human being could actually have.
I like it. XD
Saw a scan on Twitter that definitely seems to eliminate the idea she's gonna be a innocent character. sweatmeme.jpg
famitsu cover featuring the 3rd Catherine, Rin.
Her art here doesn't make her stand out as much as the in-game picture of her. Thought her eyes were supposed to be bigger based on the picture in the first pages like this:
Ok maybe not this bad, but you get my point :P
Just saw it too. I'm changing my prediction from her being an angel to being Catherine's sister or something like that and faking her good personality. Though I suppose a route where Vincent just legit cheats could be interesting as well.
Also, was the piano in stray sheep new?
Yeah, I'm assuming the cheating will always take place, and she's introduced later.
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Atlus has been on a degrading slope of LGBTQ representation and support since Persona 2
All this talk about a character not named Katherine. If nothing else, Rin has very pretty hair.
I'd love it if they expanded on my personal favorite ending where
I'd love it if they expanded on my personal favorite ending where
Vincent bails out and takes a ticket into Space. Y'know, because when you're forced to pick between your girlfriend and your sidechick, you call an audible and leave the Planet.