They have covered it, but have they reached out to GOG and tried to pressure them for comments?
I didn't read it on the RPS article, and my comment to the article suggesting that they should was deleted.
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CDP tweets trash tweet about trans people AGAIN this time from GOG (Read OP)
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They have covered it, but have they reached out to GOG and tried to pressure them for comments?
I didn't read it on the RPS article, and my comment to the article suggesting that they should was deleted.
Not sure what the problem is. ERA creating an atmosphere where people are scared to post their shitty hot takes that diminish the plight of minorities sounds like a great idea to me. There's a billion other places where you can do that and get away scot-free.
I am very sorry, but "The company should not be criticized for transphobia" is not a balanced point of view. Nor is this:
Criticizing a company for mocking transfolk and appeasing gamergaters is not a witch hunt, and that you use this specific term is very revealing about you. Gotta love dudes using a term referring to men burning women out of male hysteria to ...dudes being criticized for mocking transpeople.
Yes, exactly the same as burning people on the stake, criticizing people in a forum. This is very balanced.
Again, that you are this upset that a company gets criticism speaks volumes. Why are we not allowed to criticize a company? Why is this a witch hunt? Why do you have more sympathy for a company than for the people in a minority the company has now mocked multiple times?
Is criticizing a company really so much worse than a company actively, multiple times, mocking LGBT people? :/ Do we really live in a world where companies deserve so much more compassion than some of the most villified minorities?
I'm pretty sure it's this line
which reads like defending CDP's right to be transphobic.
Also, bans aren't always about specific posts. The person you linked to in particular had already made comments in the thread about the LAST time this happened with CDP and it was the same downplaying nonsense. That linked post was just the tipping point.
Kotaku's Heather Alexandra found out from GOG that they don't have a vetting process for their social media.
User Banned (1 Month): Excusing transphobia; driving thread derailment. Account still in junior phase.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cd...e-from-gog-read-op.76395/page-4#post-14078088
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cd...e-from-gog-read-op.76395/page-7#post-14079131
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cd...e-from-gog-read-op.76395/page-8#post-14079251
I meant that I can understand their good intentions by pointing their finger, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater with wanting censorships or bans of discussions.
What has the number of posts to do with it? I was on NeoGAF for years as well with only a few hundred posts, I just don't have time to stay on message boards all day.
And I am really not in need for quotes and replies, I couldn't care less actually.
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"A minority cant be all militant and then expect to be treated as if they are magnanimous in all things."
Wow what a valuable poster we lost there
As you said, you haven't been banned for expressing that opinion. Many others havent. There's a reason others have.
EDIT: Missed that someone else had already replied and explained, didn't mean to pile.
I'm really, really upset that this keeps happening, that "witch hunt" in particular is what people use to describe a company getting criticism for harming real people.
Witch hunts were the time where angry clergymen and male doctors used superstition to murder many innocent women, killing them in a horrible way for the sole crime of being different or, in some cases, being competition to the doctor. It was a time where people in power used their power to harm the weakest members in their society.
And now, criticism for a company is equaled to this. I'm seriously shaking my head. That people like "Freed Games" have so incredibly little empathy for real people that a company gets more compassion than real people, over and over and over and over again in this thread, is just... really hard to even say something to that that won't get me banned. It's just so utterly callous.
You cannot possibly believe that LGBT people are the one wielding the power over poor, defenseless companies here. It's completely, utterly, utterly absurd.
Witch hunts were the time where angry clergymen and male doctors used superstition to murder many innocent women, killing them in a horrible way for the sole crime of being different or, in some cases, being competition to the doctor. It was a time where people in power used their power to harm the weakest members in their society.
And now, criticism for a company is equaled to this. I'm seriously shaking my head. That people like "Freed Games" have so incredibly little empathy for real people that a company gets more compassion than real people, over and over and over and over again in this thread, is just... really hard to even say something to that that won't get me banned. It's just so utterly callous.
You cannot possibly believe that LGBT people are the one wielding the power over poor, defenseless companies here. It's completely, utterly, utterly absurd.
All three posts are blatantly ignoring the OP mod warning, with the last post bitching about "mah games have politics!!!"
Some great examples you found
Soon after that they posted job ads for PR Managers in NA and UK. There is nothing specifically about social media in the listed responsibilities but there is stuff about supervising the quality of overall PR, and in the qualifications part they list "A minimum of 3 years of experience with brand communications, forums, and social media in games development industry."
Might be just a coincidence. Might also have been a wake-up call.
Edit: And with "that" I am referring to the Cyberpunk tweet and CDPR, not GOG/CDP, sorry for the confusion.
That's not what you said, you said under "disguise of human", which means there are inherently ulterior motives at work.
As well as ignoring the fact that you think a "witch-hunt" is happening because a company has decided to signal boost a misogynistic movement and make fun of and marginalize the issue trans people face three times now.
Using a minority group as a "marketing" skit seems very suspicious.
Gaming is a mainstream entertainment business.
And if not "intended". Who the fuck would know what the hell the tweet is about? I learn new stuff here on ERA everyday.
No. Im not an activist
Yes. I believe in equal rights
No, i dont follow companies on twitter
Yes, i have turned off all notifications on ny phone
Yes, GOG and CPR better stop with this shit if they want to be in business.
No, i don't feel the need to have knowledge of all things related to every minority groups's struggle on a micro level.
Gaming is a mainstream entertainment business.
And if not "intended". Who the fuck would know what the hell the tweet is about? I learn new stuff here on ERA everyday.
No. Im not an activist
Yes. I believe in equal rights
No, i dont follow companies on twitter
Yes, i have turned off all notifications on ny phone
Yes, GOG and CPR better stop with this shit if they want to be in business.
No, i don't feel the need to have knowledge of all things related to every minority groups's struggle on a micro level.
If those are the 3 posts you could find to prove your point, then you really didn't have a point to begin with.
They all deserved their ban. Ignoring mod warnings, bullshit "keep politics out of videogames", etc.
Honestly, I think this mod post:
makes it very clear that the mods (and thus, this community) have taken a stance on the matter. The nature of those tweets and their interpretation is not up for discussion. This is a persistent and intentional behaviour.
And this makes the request for banning the discussion on GoG/CDPR legitimate. If we as a community have decided that a certain developer and/or his associates have engaged in transphobic behaviour, then we can't as a community that wants to define itself as progressive turn our back to the people who we feel are victim of this kind of message. We can't say "this is transphobic" and then provide a platform for advertisement and visibility to those who perpetrated it.
The mods have made it very clear that the seriousness and intent of those tweets are not up to discussion; now we need to put money where our mouth is and take action, even if it may mean losing some traffic. We have a history of banning creators and influencers based on their views and words, saying that what CDP has done (three times) wasn't bad enough to warrant the same reaction would justify questioning the priorities of the community.
makes it very clear that the mods (and thus, this community) have taken a stance on the matter. The nature of those tweets and their interpretation is not up for discussion. This is a persistent and intentional behaviour.
And this makes the request for banning the discussion on GoG/CDPR legitimate. If we as a community have decided that a certain developer and/or his associates have engaged in transphobic behaviour, then we can't as a community that wants to define itself as progressive turn our back to the people who we feel are victim of this kind of message. We can't say "this is transphobic" and then provide a platform for advertisement and visibility to those who perpetrated it.
The mods have made it very clear that the seriousness and intent of those tweets are not up to discussion; now we need to put money where our mouth is and take action, even if it may mean losing some traffic. We have a history of banning creators and influencers based on their views and words, saying that what CDP has done (three times) wasn't bad enough to warrant the same reaction would justify questioning the priorities of the community.
Thanks, NickMitch, for showing that ACTUALLY balanced posts still exist. Mean it. Nobody has to be an activist or know of all things related to every minority.
(no irony in the post btw, just had to point out that for all the "balanced post get punished", yours had to be highlighted as a good example of the contrary.
(no irony in the post btw, just had to point out that for all the "balanced post get punished", yours had to be highlighted as a good example of the contrary.
You forgot: No, you are not a PR/Social Media Manager. The guy who posted all the posts is, which makes it even worse.
Me? I don't want to enforce anything. In my opinion people are free to do whatever they want, as long as they don't harm others. Again: I suggested a voting process, just in case mods are thinking about enforcing a CDPR ban. If they aren't. No voting process needed, but for when the majority wishes for one.
Sorry, you are bringing up two different problems.
I'm talking about putting people under suspicion, because they do not participate in a discussion.
You are talking about people being killed because of their sexual orientation.
One is a terrible, inhuman crime. The other one is a wrong attitude: It's called prejudice. Granted, this kind of "attitude" can get people killed in non democracies, but not in our western world. It can still be harmful though.
Putting everybody under general suspicion because of the bad/dangerous ideology of a minority isn't justifiable though. Should we allow our governments to look into our private lives? Everybody could be a terrorist in this day and age...What? You don't want that. This surely means that you have something to hide. It's suspicious.
You are following the exact same logic here. Not participating = Having something to hide. I've grown up in a pseudo democratic-socialistic state. In truth it was a fascist regime. That kind of prejudice killed people and it still scares me. I don't think you even understand what I'm talking about. In your eyes general suspicion is justified because of the world view of another minority. A minority with a terrible world view.
Why don't you just do the right thing and do what I do: write a letter to your delegate. I did and encouraged my delegate to vote for the new LGBT law in 2017. It probably did nothing and influenced nobody. But I'm convinced that this is the right way to influence a democracy!
~10% of users participated in this discussion so far. Therefore ~90% are bad people and morally inferior to you. Sure thing. Keep on hallucinating.
The fact that you posted these well deserved bans as worrying you more than the transphobic tweets has me thinking maybe you don't understand what was so bad about the tweets.
Correct. That person should either know better or be fired. I lean towards the latter
I like this approach. People should get told how awful they are. Also comes with the added bonus of educating people about their politics who are genuinely unaware.
Nope, nobody ever said that. But the people who come into a thread and bitch about bans, tone police people who are at their wits end for living in a country that is trying to remove what little rights they have, and just generally derailing things, might need to do some self reflection.
You're coming off very defensive and insecure.
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I don't think I've seen a single person say what you're claiming they're saying.
Like, who the hell is saying that you either post in this thread or your transphobic?
But no one has said this. YOU have said this. YOU are the only one making this insinuation. What people have mentioned here, is that if you are "afraid" to post in here, because you think your views are going to get you banned, then your views very likely are garbage. This has held true in every situation this "fear" has popped up in just about every contentious thread.
It's not saying every single person who doesn't post in this thread is bad, because I bet 50% of the user base hasn't even seen this thread. If you sit in EtcetERA all day, you wouldn't even know this thread is here.
And if you were indifferent to the topic, or maybe you felt you didn't have anything else to add that people didn't already, you just don't bother posting in it.
Like I genuinely believe you are not here in good faith, because all you seemingly want to do is conflate the idea that people are afraid to post in this thread because of hot headed mods, and you can only construe that as meaning there are unjustified bans in this thread.
What exact posts do you think fit that bill? That last person agreeing with you was willing to do that, and lo and behold, the posts he linked were ones downplaying and handwaving transphobia! What a fucking shocker.
And thankfully they're handing out bans left and right to all the jerks ignoring it, whether purposely or unintentionally.
Because for fuck's sake are those comments annoying interruptions to the discussion no matter what. "Oh hello, I'm extremely self-important and lazy, so how about the lot of you explain to me what I could've already understood if I spend the time reading instead of typing any of this. And in the best case scenario, I'll reply with an 'Ah thanks. Now I understand.', which still isn't a meaningful contribution! Bye!"
That's the less egregious case where they aren't just pretending.
That's from the previous debacle though. It's when this happens again, as it have now, that I would have hoped that gaming sites would press them even further.
True, although even when pressed, I'm guessing GoG/CDPR don't want to give a statement. Their silence is telling. Don't know much longer they can be given.
Downloaded all my games from GOG and reuploaded them to my cloud and closed account. I will never spend another dime on anything involving CD Projekt again. There is no coming back from this and the pattern leading up to it. If this was an outlier within their culture it would have been weeded out the first times this happened but it's undeniable at this point and so I'm out, forever.
Witcher 3 one of my favorite games, hell, experiences ever. CP2077 is astounding in almost every way.
Next to the human rights of my trans brothers and sisters, however, those things are worth less than shit.
FUCK your vidyas.
Witcher 3 one of my favorite games, hell, experiences ever. CP2077 is astounding in almost every way.
Next to the human rights of my trans brothers and sisters, however, those things are worth less than shit.
FUCK your vidyas.
This is appalling. You're waxing on and on how oppressed you are, and in the middle of all your pretending to be the poor victim, there's this.
I'm sorry, but no.
http://theconversation.com/new-data-shows-us-hate-crimes-continued-to-rise-in-2017-97989
LGBT people get murdered in western democracies for who they are every year, and that's not even including those pushed to suicide, or those "just" attacked brutally.
You're so utterly swamped by your own ego and your desperate wish to be the true victim here that the comments you throw out just get worse and worse. Have you no shame?
Would like this approach too, but I'm generally way too complacent. Even though stuff like Isees post make this ever so difficult.
This thread appears to have devolved into metacommentary and is no longer about the tweet. The discussion therefore appears to have run its course. The serious concerns about CDPR's social media and PR will remain fair game for discussion, as will the games they develop and publish. No blanket ban on these topics is being considered at this time.
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