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Here what the same dev said about the compensations and polish labot laws, from that other thread:
www.resetera.com
And Jim Sterling is hearing the same things: https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/1316409221160800256
GameInformer claims Cyberpunk 2077 crunch story was blown out of proportion [up: refuted by Jason Schreier, see threadmarks] Rumor
The same employee also posted about the revenue bonus situation and Polish labour laws:
www.resetera.com
And Jim Sterling is hearing the same things: https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/1316409221160800256
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Just added them to the OP, thanks for the nudge.Here what the same dev said about the compensations and polish labot laws, from that other thread:
GameInformer claims Cyberpunk 2077 crunch story was blown out of proportion [up: refuted by Jason Schreier, see threadmarks] Rumor
The same employee also posted about the revenue bonus situation and Polish labour laws:
And Jim Sterling is hearing the same things: https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/1316409221160800256
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Seems to be true of it going Gold too. Brings into question those that suggested it was a day of celebration for them.
No video game is worth 14-16 hour days.
In fact, no video game is worth 10 hour days.
No video game is worth the degradation of mind, soul, and body.
In fact, no video game is worth 10 hour days.
No video game is worth the degradation of mind, soul, and body.
Pretty much every major developer is this way sadly. It's pure madness and smacks of incompetent management setting unrealistic targets but like I said it is pretty much everywhere. It is no wonder burnout is a big deal.
I'm surprised this is sustainable for CDPR, to be honest. They've had a reputation for a long time as being a crunch heavy studio, and it seems as though they're getting worse for it over time. I wouldn't be surprised if experienced developers wouldn't touch them no matter what salaries they offered, meaning they need to hire more and more less experienced staff to fill the gaps... who they then make crunch, burn out, worsen their reputation and then have to hire even more people. It's only going to get worse, probably. Can't imagine a seasoned lead or even senior staff member wanting to touch them.
From my experience, they aren't all this way. You hear about the worst of it, and rightly so, but working in games isn't the guaranteed death march you hear about at some major studios. The issue is largely management related though; most studios tend to have heads who worked through the less corporate times of game dev in the late 90s and early 2000s and did insane crunch as if there was no other way to do it. Some of them then take the attitude of "it didn't kill me, so it's fine", while others take the attitude of "never again". There's plenty of studios with the latter approach and a positive studio culture is pretty high on the agenda for many studios these days.
The games industry can be pretty mercenary, with people switching companies quite frequently for better pay, benefits and increased seniority. As a result, among experienced staff, bad experiences travel far and wide pretty fast. Once you have a decent network of colleagues and ex colleagues, it's pretty easy to ask someone "what was it like working at x/y/z?". Which can contribute to the potential situation above; experienced developers being hard to hire for those studios.
The difficulty, I think, is landing a role early on in your career that doesn't stink in order to build those contacts in the first place.
From my experience, they aren't all this way. You hear about the worst of it, and rightly so, but working in games isn't the guaranteed death march you hear about at some major studios. The issue is largely management related though; most studios tend to have heads who worked through the less corporate times of game dev in the late 90s and early 2000s and did insane crunch as if there was no other way to do it. Some of them then take the attitude of "it didn't kill me, so it's fine", while others take the attitude of "never again". There's plenty of studios with the latter approach and a positive studio culture is pretty high on the agenda for many studios these days.
The games industry can be pretty mercenary, with people switching companies quite frequently for better pay, benefits and increased seniority. As a result, among experienced staff, bad experiences travel far and wide pretty fast. Once you have a decent network of colleagues and ex colleagues, it's pretty easy to ask someone "what was it like working at x/y/z?". Which can contribute to the potential situation above; experienced developers being hard to hire for those studios.
The difficulty, I think, is landing a role early on in your career that doesn't stink in order to build those contacts in the first place.
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I legit "wtf" out loud when reading this. Crazy.
This is disgusting :/
That sounds... I have no words. It's amazing how such a beloved company by gamers is actually such a toxic, terrible company to work for. With such practices, I'd be surprised if they managed to retain most of the developers that worked on the Witcher 3 and makes me wonder if CP2077 is made by completely different developers.
Waiting for the #Gamers to arrive in this thread and talk about how much they love working overtime.
This shit is gross.
This shit is gross.
Games are fun to play, but I guess making them not so much, especially AAA games from a major developer.
What do developers have to look forward to? When they work on a project they crunch like crazy, sleep at work, not seeing your family etc. When the game goes gold, they have to work on patches and/or dlc. When that is wrappped up, hell starts over again with a new project.
What do developers have to look forward to? When they work on a project they crunch like crazy, sleep at work, not seeing your family etc. When the game goes gold, they have to work on patches and/or dlc. When that is wrappped up, hell starts over again with a new project.
How dare you push your agenda! Why can't you just be happy the game is almost done!
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This shit is absolutely awful. Good for them speaking out though. Hopefully more developers in companies with insane crunch talk about it. This really needs to change.
Also interesting bit about the Polish leads, something like leaving the work before your boss being frowned upon, is something I've usually seen mentioned regarding Japanese work culture. Is this common in Poland overall, or more specifically a CDPR problem? Anyone Polish or who has worked there to clue me in?
Also interesting bit about the Polish leads, something like leaving the work before your boss being frowned upon, is something I've usually seen mentioned regarding Japanese work culture. Is this common in Poland overall, or more specifically a CDPR problem? Anyone Polish or who has worked there to clue me in?
Wow, Schreier spoke to a CDPR over the phone to verify the employee's experience. Can this man's agenda cut any deeper?
Sarcasm. Fuck Gameinformer for bootlicking and calling investigative journalism an "agenda".
This is a pretty common practice in all fields of software development. It typically goes like this;
- Management promises something without consulting engineers
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- Management do consult engineers, but pressure engineers into give them a unrealistic deadline
- Engineers work their asses off
- Engineers gets blamed when said deadline is not met or the product quality is terrible
- QA is consider not important, because deadline is closing in
- Product is a success (or sometimes a failure, bonuses are still paid out even though the product lost millions of dollars)
- Upper management gets 6 figure bonuses
- Engineers gets a bottle of wine and a pat on their shoulders for working 16-18 hour days for months (yep this has happened to me)
Between their disregard for the lbgtq+ community, and their developers. They've become persona non grata in my household.
