Yes, reminds me of your posts and how you claim that if you just do this or that one thing in Dark Souls by flipping a second chance switch to on then it works, guaranteed, with no thought put into what effects it will have on the game experience whether you can then beat it easier or not like that's all there is to a game, beating it (because as you said there's more to a game than gameplay, lol), who cares about the actual player experience relying on, for a small amount of examples that barely scratch the surface, things like pacing, overcoming things that whether they are or aren't do feel like challenges, the tension from what feels like a looming threat, from intimidating looking characters actually being intimidating in practice rather than pushovers you button mash through, whatever else interconnects on every level from the lore to the details of gameplay. Game design is easy, anyone can do it from his armchair, lmao!!!!11oneoneleven! Who knows why games take years and tens or hundres of people to make, costs are probably just a hoax and game designers useless bums, anyone can be the next Miyazaki dude, literally anyone. Sucks this nice positive bit of news has to be marred with shitposting and trolling about completely unrelated games but oh well, that's the internet for you.
I think the discussion is at odds because people are arguing from two different angles, about different things Accessibility is important. No one is saying that games shouldn't have options to help people with disabilities. That's like saying movies shouldn't have subtitles or descriptive audio.
Why dont you dispute my last reply to you first before you do this to me lol
im just gonna requote since an edit would be easily missed :
But I already did that with my posts you actually replied to since your replies to me didn't really say anything sensible, lol.
The art of Dark Souls is *deeply* intertwined in the world being unforgiving, uncaring, and hopelessly doomed. If you were running around like Dante just slapping everything silly without a care in the world, the art wouldn't have the same impact. Making the gameplay easier, would have a negative effect on the art's presentation and the themes and moods that they give to the player. All the Hollows are, to be simplified, just "other players" that have given up. Seeing the world ruined by what used to be regular (well, as regular as it gets in Dark Souls) people who fell into despair, gave up, and Hollowed wouldn't have as much of an effect if the oppressing world wasn't making the player think about giving up. Realizing that Hollows are just Undead, just like the player, who have given up, just as the player has thought of doing so many times, lends extra weight to their presence.
Okidoki, hope a modder flips the hidden second chance switch devs disabled and you can then enjoy that incredible experience, lol.
Accessibility is a spectrum, though. Games, unlike movies, are interactive media, that rely on the skills of the player for them to enjoy said media and see what it has to offer. As such, accessibility doesn't only refer to adding subtitles, or a colorblind mode in a puzzle game, it also refers to being able to scale the skill that's being asked from the player for them to have an experience they can enjoy. I would argue, that even if said scaling breaks the game (which is something that would be up to each developer - I'm sure simple examples such as increasing HP or other stats in a RPG-like, adding more checkpoints or airtime in a platformer, slowing traps down so people with slower reaction thresholds, etc wouldn't be terribly game-breaking thinking of generic game archetypes), it would be worth it to add if it's going to help people who would otherwise be unable to play the game either because they're physically limited in some way or because their skills just aren't as good as the average player's.
But the challenge is integral to that art, monster design, world, and tone. Because it influences how you play, and how you play reinforces the design and aesthetic of the world. They are symbiotic. That you have to fear every enemy, that you have to creep cautiously through unknown unexplored rooms and lands, that the world is ruthless yet beautiful in its desolation, that you're a single warrior against such nightmarish beasts
The art's impact would be lessened but lessening impact is better than not getting anything at all, which is what most disabled people go through with pretty much any big "hard" action series
The problem with this, is that the point of Bayonetta and DMC is that the games are power fantasies. The point isn't that the games are hard -- it's that people who need that difficulty to fulfill their feeling of being a badass have the difficulty to do so. But a person playing Automatic will see the flashy combos and it will still provide the sense of power.
Except they're fine on their own outside that difficulty. If i'd played Dark Souls in constant coop(which isnt an acceptable "easy" mode btw) and had brushed through everything, it wouldnt have mattered to me. I don't care about difficulty. It's cool when it happens, but it doesnt make my feelings towards the thing as a whole any better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skvcw7bC3so
Yes, use the obscene overtalented person to counter a disability arguement. Thats totally not highkey ableist.
See, this is what I'm talking about. No one is saying that games shouldn't have options to help with disabilities
The game requires quick reflexes, no matter the controller used.
Which specific disabilities are you referring to that prevent people from playing Dark Souls at all regardless of input method? Legitimate question.
The only way to actually make Dark Souls more accessible is an easier difficulty, as the difficulty is a giant wall that stops people. Since that level of disability can't play these kinds of games really at all, it's down to how a person with, say, slowed motor skills would play. Thats where the reflexes come in, and loosening the burden on that for them by adjusting health values would go a long way.See, this is what I'm talking about. No one is saying that games shouldn't have options to help with disabilities
This is like saying that Mother! should have subtitles versus Mother! should have a version that is less obtuse.
Making something able to enjoyed by someone with a disability doesn't mean making it easier to be enjoyed by something with a disability.
For example, Legend of Grimrock
Exactly. How did this conversation shift to being about disability accessibility?
Okay, I really don't feel like I need to point out that it's okay if there's a game here and there that a person theoretically cannot play due to physical or mental disabilities.
Motor skills, specifically, where they have slowed reflexes with their hands/arms. (also i was probably confusing in trying to dismiss the banana video)
If you use a shield the requirements for reflexes is reduced *dramatically*, as with magic.
Even with that stuff, it could be incredibly difficult, especially when Sheilds and defense and magic are all basically useless in every other souls game compared to ds1
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/dark-wood-grain-ring
And you know what?
I think he meant the naming of the difficulties. "Can I play mommy?" etc.
