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CEO: "I refuse to look at resumes that have this common yet outdated section" (Objective)
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Yes.
I had oil and gas engineers apply to my company (totally different field) and very niche R&D business department without any objective statement or convincing elevator speech in person. That reeked of careless and perhaps disingenuous interest. If you're not gonna practice your one minute pitch/introduction before we meet in person or if you're not gonna write a specific objective that tells me what department and products you're interested in working on and why, then I'm not convinced you want a job in my division, I just see that you want *any* job that will look at your resume. For niche recruiting, you want specific people who you can be sure are passionate about your work, not just anybody with qualifications and generic interest.
I help people with resumes often
I will tell them if you're doing a low level job just put it for clarity and show you can actually write things that make sense. If you're doing a high level job, you either don't have one because your entry will be defined by your interview and your work/school history... or you have it incredibly dense where it ends up being sort of a business plan. This way you can convey your value to the company and differentiate yourself as a candidate for the position.
Most people see it as a personal objective but where you can really come out as a winner if your objective is your plan on what to do within that position to the benefit of the company.
The only reason why it's a wasted spot on most resumes is simply because most people aren't very bright regardless of qualifications and don't think from the perspective of the people reading it.
Your entire goal is to get an interview. If your objective is "i want to achieve x position in your company" then you're basically playing the interview lottery.
I will tell them if you're doing a low level job just put it for clarity and show you can actually write things that make sense. If you're doing a high level job, you either don't have one because your entry will be defined by your interview and your work/school history... or you have it incredibly dense where it ends up being sort of a business plan. This way you can convey your value to the company and differentiate yourself as a candidate for the position.
Most people see it as a personal objective but where you can really come out as a winner if your objective is your plan on what to do within that position to the benefit of the company.
The only reason why it's a wasted spot on most resumes is simply because most people aren't very bright regardless of qualifications and don't think from the perspective of the people reading it.
Your entire goal is to get an interview. If your objective is "i want to achieve x position in your company" then you're basically playing the interview lottery.
My luck an employer would dock me for not including an objective. It's a common item so I always include it.
I don't understand why someone is bragging about being terrible at screening resumes.
When I had to spend time looking at resumes and interview few people, I didn't give a shit about a lot of things but I didn't use random arbitrary criteria to throw away resumes.
When I had to spend time looking at resumes and interview few people, I didn't give a shit about a lot of things but I didn't use random arbitrary criteria to throw away resumes.
I'm happy to hear the objectives section is considered outdated because whatever I put on there was always a lie anyway.
no, I ain't trying to acquire additional experience and specialize in something. I'm just trying to get paid, bro.
no, I ain't trying to acquire additional experience and specialize in something. I'm just trying to get paid, bro.
I don't think anyone will ever look at my resume. They'll look at my work experience, my portfolio and that's it.
I hated trying to find a job just because the interview part just seems so meh. Just tell me what you want done and I can tell you what I can do.
Even if you need to arbitrarily weed out resumes for practical reasons, it should honestly be done using rng and not through arbitrary metrics because that makes it vastly more fair and less likely to end up discriminating against certain groups of people who might be more likely to have been taught to handle the resume one way. Like I could see practices like this hurting job seekers who lack the resources and connections they'd need to adjust their resume for the specific tastes of a given company
If these fuckos want us to submit our resumes a specific way then give us a fucking form to fill out. Not hard. Plenty of companies do this already.
Don't expect us to read your fucking minds, dipshits. Or else don't expect to get anyone but lazy kissasses.
Don't expect us to read your fucking minds, dipshits. Or else don't expect to get anyone but lazy kissasses.
Maybe he doesn't trust the people working in the HR department?
As someone who hold a good level job in HR, I couldn't agree more. This person sounds like an asshat.
I mean I get it, sometimes you gotta find a quick way to sort through a fucking huge pile of resumes. I've never been a CEO of a company, but when I did the hiring at a job in the past I would throw away any resume that was brought in by someones parents haha. (we hired a lot of college and high school senior age kids).
I figured if you couldn't even be bothered to bring in your own resume then I could save myself some time and move on.
I figured if you couldn't even be bothered to bring in your own resume then I could save myself some time and move on.
I have a brief two sentence summary statement at the top of mine. My financial background is kinda eclectic so someone might wonder "what's up with this guy?". My professional experience starts half an inch below there so I don't see the issue.
Never had an issue getting interviews either?
Never had an issue getting interviews either?
I feel like if you need something like that just use a method that's actually random instead of discriminating against certain groups for completely bullshit reasons
probably making sure he can find people he can pay the absolute lowest and still have them accept
I was floored when I first started working with people from the UK who would have like 3 page resumes with every fucking detail from their work and education on there. AND A COVER LETTER. Like nobody is reading that you dummy keep shit short and simple.
Because the vast majority of people just want to get paid so they can live. Objectives are bullshit
I mean this is true for resumes, but if you're doing a CV you are actually supposed to put as many details as possible. Granted CVs are mainly for people in academia
looking through this thread and some resume tips online, it seems like the general consensus is that "objective" has been outdated for close to a decade in most cases. is it really arbitrary if it indicates that the applicant did not even bother researching what makes a good, modern resume before applying?
Damn I see. Google says even asians are getting the short end too.
Unity.
I should also qualify that this was for the ski industry. Ain't nobody in the ski industry give two fucks about what awards you got in high school or where you volunteered in Uni.
I feel like resume making is generally a bullshit practice and how good you are at designing a resume will rarely ever indicate how qualified someone is for a job. Seems dumb to focus on formatting bullshit if that type of formatting is completely irrelevant to the functions they'll perform as part of the job. And since not everyone has the same resources and connections to learn about this stuff from, and some may have even learned certain outdated lessons from sources they feel they should be able to trust, that it's kind of a bullshit metric.
But then it feels like most metrics that are used to decide who to hire have little if anything to do with whether someone is qualified for a job in many cases
I agree, but let's be honest here, this guy is judging people based on a one liner on a resume. He's not really all that interested in being unbiased, as soon as you walk in he's going to assume things based on whatever other criteria he has in his head.
Funny enough,
All jobs I applied for auto-question you during interview process if you dont have an objective section.
They know you want to get paid, but want to know more beyond that.
I seen resumes straight get denied without having that section
All jobs I applied for auto-question you during interview process if you dont have an objective section.
They know you want to get paid, but want to know more beyond that.
I seen resumes straight get denied without having that section
Lol, my exact thoughts when I read about this stuff. Like all the bullshit I've read about cover letters. Have one, don't have one, do it this way or it gets thrown out, have these keywords... it can be maddening.
I'm with him. Resume writing sites have a lot of stupid recomendations which only really exist because of legacy cultural reasons. Maybe once upon a time things like Objectives and Interests were useful because the workforce was more equal or the jobs were more plentiful. But in modern time there is no sense in having them. Especially since the space can be put to better use to fit a couple extra points, or useful highlight information that will get you to that interview, which is half the battle and where you are supposed to be personable.
I work in employment/recruitment and have for the last 5 or 6 years (I currently specialise working with people experiencing homelessness, people in crisis situations, etc). For the longest time one of the first amendments I make to a resume is to fuck off a person's "Objective". 99% of the time those details are going into a cover letter. It's a waste of space on a resume, unless you're targeting a specific job/career path where an objective outline is going to contain information that'll give you a leg up. Otherwise most people are parrotting the same information, or information that can be read elsewhere on the resume.
The advice to focus on achievements is also good, particularly if you're applying for management jobs and whatnot. Rattling off the basic duties is all well and good, but if you're a manager applying for a management job elsewhere and your resume just contains a list of stuff managers do...you're really just echoing the baseline expectations for the role. Of course you know what a manager does. Of course they know what a manager does. Nobody is learning anything, nor are you forming a picture of yourself and your skills. Emphasising achievements, milestones, and ways you contributed to and improved your workplace using these base skills is what will impress an employer.
Also, unless again you're going for some super specialised role, fuck off your 3 - 4 page resumes that are basically novels. Nobody is reading them.
The advice to focus on achievements is also good, particularly if you're applying for management jobs and whatnot. Rattling off the basic duties is all well and good, but if you're a manager applying for a management job elsewhere and your resume just contains a list of stuff managers do...you're really just echoing the baseline expectations for the role. Of course you know what a manager does. Of course they know what a manager does. Nobody is learning anything, nor are you forming a picture of yourself and your skills. Emphasising achievements, milestones, and ways you contributed to and improved your workplace using these base skills is what will impress an employer.
Also, unless again you're going for some super specialised role, fuck off your 3 - 4 page resumes that are basically novels. Nobody is reading them.
Haven't had to work up a resume in almost 20 years thankfully, but if/when I do, I'll keep this in mind.
That's how it should work but I feel like people never really shook the fear and anxiety of the hiring process from the Great Recession. I think some employers treat their employees like it's still the Great Recession too.
How else are you supposed to get people? I hire a ton of people and often get hundreds of applicants. I can't talk to them all.
Certifications and employment history are part of a resume. Most jobs don't have certifications and a simple (I worked here) tells me nothing about what they did. So that's why we have resumes
