Chance the Rapper apologizes for his statements
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Until he realized Trump was co-opting his words for his own gain, which everyone already could have told him would happen before he even first tweeted.
i've heard he's a libertarian, which puts the "black people don't have to be democrats" thing into perspective
he's absolutely right about generations of democratic politicians failing the black community in places like chicago, but he's also right that it was a dumb time and place to try and bring that up
The nigga says trump in the third sentence and he wasn't caping for Trump he was caping for Kanye, who is a HUGE part of his life. Dont speak on shit you don't know.
Fuck outta here. None of you have done shit for the black community especially when compared to Chano. So GTFOH with this shit.
Chance has done good things, so Im still listening to his music. However, he's under watch now.
He fucked up. He apologized (pretty well I might add).
I swear some of you guys get off on running down anyone who isnt perfect.
I swear some of you guys get off on running down anyone who isnt perfect.
So were comparing black men to dogs now....This is what Democracts think of black people.
So clearly I stand with chance. Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the democrats (Except the Obamas) black people will always have to look out for their own. Both sides are the same when places like Chicago see no change or help no matter who is in power.
WHITE PEOPLE. You and your super predator party are not entitled to our votes. You are not entitled to our help. You are not entitled to relying on use to save you from your fucking selves. You want our support? Start supporting the black community. Chance has done more for Chicago than any democrat in the last 10 years.
Why the fuck should black people cape for democrats? Because they aren't openly racist? Fuck that shit. Thats exactly why Get Out was needed. Yall on some, I'd vote for Obama a 3rd time shit and think that absolves you from being a closet racist, benefitting from systemic racism or opressing black people.
In the words of the great Curtis Jackson.
"ARE YOU ILLITERATE NIGGA? YOU CANT READ BETWEEN THE LINES"
John Legend is that dude. I am so glad I watched/listened to this. He dropped the truth and politely put down Kanye. I have more respect for John Legend after today. I didn't know about any of his stances previously. Very informed and diligent dude.
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Sorry...white people are not allowed to accuse black people of being in the sunken place. That's not your place. Speak on your unseasoned and boiled chicken breast and Speak on Taylor Swift.
"Chicago has had generations of democratic officials with no investment or regard for black schools, neighborhood[sic] or black lives."
This quote needs to become a focal point for the Democrats. Give black voters more of a reason to vote blue than "not red". Then again, as I type this, I feel like most liberals feel that way...
This quote needs to become a focal point for the Democrats. Give black voters more of a reason to vote blue than "not red". Then again, as I type this, I feel like most liberals feel that way...
That is not at all what I meant. It's a character that was hurt for sniffing around a porcupine. Which is to say that Trump fucks up everything he touches. Chance is entitled to whatever he thinks but the backlash is very real.
If the comparison was shitty I apologize. Didn't really think of him as a literal dog since he... talks. Meant it is a flippant joke but I get why it would be taken as malevolent with how terribly this country treats black people.
And yeah, dems need to do a lot better if they want poc to vote for them. None of this playing nicey nice with racists shit.
You’re right. I misread that part. You’re also right that compared to Chance I haven’t done nearly as much as he has for the Black community. Though I am deeply invested in affordable housing initiatives in my city, work with multiple nonprofits that are specifically for minorities, and continue to try to pursue more opportunities. I can do better, but I wake up trying every day, so please don’t assume I don’t do anything.
I deeply respect Chance for much of the work he’s done (as I’ve said in many other parts). I also mentioned in another post that I understood he was caping for Kanye and still had some problems with that. If you’re going to ask me to read, can you do the same of my other posts?
Am I wrong to believe that the most efficient way of progressing care about minorities is not by going third party but by pulling the left further left?
If democrats have not been adequately representing Chicago's community, why not take ownership of the chigago democrats and also get the support of people that while not being minorities are not going to go libertarian or republican?
Parties are what you make of them.
One thing is to not care for a segment of the population. Another thing is to actively work towards destroying them.
If democrats have not been adequately representing Chicago's community, why not take ownership of the chigago democrats and also get the support of people that while not being minorities are not going to go libertarian or republican?
Parties are what you make of them.
One thing is to not care for a segment of the population. Another thing is to actively work towards destroying them.
Dude was obviously out of line with trying to say that chance didn’t mention trump, but speak for yourself on this part. No need for this. Many of us try to do our part.
This is why I reject the idea that dems should go all in to appeal to the Trump swing voters. Catering to them means ignoring minorities because acknowleging their problems makes them bristle. Want to do it via economics policies? Fine. That's good. But if dems keep ignoring minorities beyond election season I think there will be serious consequences.
One way or another we're going to have to confront how fucked up all the police killings and lack of opportunity are if we want things to actually improve.
Sure because we've never seen someone on ResetEra claim that and prove to be lying....
I mean, he's probably not wrong.
I'd be surprised if this entire forum could compare to what Chance has done for Chicago.
Dude's success and platform has afforded him the ability to do things that most organizations couldn't or are too split between multiple causes to dedicate the level of support that he does.
What are you doing, man?
As a black dude I don't get what was so wrong with what he said. I don't like Trump at all and Kanye has been a fuckboy since forever, but black people don't have to be Democrats. Democrats treat blacks as a simple mass of voters so once the votes are cast they're left out. Many blacks feel resentment for that so they go elsewhere, black people don't owe Democrats anything. The bigger problem with chance's words are that he's defending Kanye which is a losing proposition
That will do. At least he's sane and that's all I was looking for really. I appreciate him apologizing. Let Ye go on that journey himself. You can't co-sign everything your friends and associates do.
Breh go have a seat, people don't have to go run down their t-shirts, bills and photos and post them on an online forum in order to ask you to stop generalizing. You don't know anyone here, and you aint no fucking authority so settle that ass down.
Breh go have a seat, people don't have to go run down their t-shirts, bills and photos and post them on an online forum in order to ask you to stop generalizing. You don't know anyone here, and you aint no fucking authority so settle that ass down.
Your friend comes out and says he likes to eat babies for brunch, you gonna throw out there "Guys, it's ok to eat meat"?
Is calling POC white and then implying they're lying about their race part of that?
I don’t love that anyone assumes with sweeping generality that everyone here doesn’t do anything, that said T’Challa is likely right. I take his point that Chance has done so much for the community and continues to be a beacon of goodwill in Chicago.
T’Challa, is it fair though for that all that good work to be part of where my anxiety stems from with his recent support for Kanye? It just seems like it is flirting with being coopted by Trump and the republicans. He’s done so much good and it seems like these kinds of mistakes could end it all and I don’t want to see that.
I’d appreciate your perspective though T’Challa.
< I'm right there. I'm Vietnamese. Thank you for being one of the hundreds who like to assume I'm anything but.
That's not really a helping case on the point of Saying folks are in the Sunken place.
Is it fair to say that most of the liberals/ERA has been coopted by the democratic party? A party that isn't really all that better than Republicans but I guess they're a bit more polite about it. Any mention of independent brings out a bunch of "you don't vote for democratic party you're supporting rascism/bigotry" type shit. It's like a dark and probably hilarious trick for the people who run the show for the democratic party "hey guys if we just say this, all these people will vote for us and we'll still be rich"
I actually thought about whether or not I can say that or not after I posted it. It would be nice to be corrected in that regard without someone acting like an asshole to me. I apologize for saying it. But screw that guy.
This is absolutely true, Black people don't have to be Democrats. The problem was that Chance tried to defend Kanye's support of Trump by saying Black people don't have to be Democrats.
That's a really silly defense, because this isn't about Kanye supporting a political party, it's about him supporting the man who's at the top of said political party currently.
I may be a bit emotional and Ill hold the L on that on. But saying a Black person belongs in the sunken place is the modern day equivalent of calling them ab Uncle Tom. I don't care what your ethnicity is. If you are not Black you can not throw that designation on a black person. It is not your place to claim that they have betrayed their community.
Stephen A. Smith is a fucking dumbass but Ill be damned before I sit by and let Max Kellerman, John Cho, Kal Penn or Michael Rapaport call him an Uncle Tom because that's not their place. And we just had several incidents with people trying to pass off as other races so they can say reckless shit.
Chance has always supported Kanye. This whole incident has divided the Culture in half. Between Ye and Kellz we are really having the conversation about not giving any icon a pass for what they do outside of music. Nonetheless not eveyone that comes to the defense of someone they love deserving of the flack that follows. Case in point Chance, whose already been compared to a dog in this thread and has been called the modern day equivalent of an uncle tom which is totally dismissive of all the GOOD he has done and continues to do.
I think that’s fair. I absolutely agree that Dems abuse their relationships with POC and are often not much better. I’m in a political group that got in some huge arguments with a democratic politician about funding inner city schools. So no, I don’t think POC owe the Democrats anything.
But Kanye was going hard with Trump and MAGA which isn’t “not being democrat.” I agree with Chance that black people don’t have to be democrats. I just think the timing of that was to use it justify a Trump and MAGA alignment. And look, a few hours later Trump thanks Chance for the support.
I hope POC can get the voice they deserved. I do my best to be an ally, but I definitely have major blind spots still. So I welcome people like T’Challa calling me out and making me see things better. It just seems like this was still a bad moment for Chance with some damage that went beyond what a tweeted apology is going to accomplish.
I think this might have been a better point before Trump essentially turned the Republican party into the Trump party, no? Regardless, I don't know how big of a difference in reality a difference it makes to defend the head of the organization that represents the whole organization, or the organization as some other kind of entity.
I do think Kanye should have his feet held to the fire though, but Chance's remarks came as mere observations to me (for the reasons I listed previously), that he had to apologize for that is weird when looking at it from that angle
You may find them up your ass along with your head.
Fuck outta here with your foolishness because you wanna Stan for a celeb by bringing others down. Not sure why you’re being aggressive about it when I agreed that the guy you quoted was wrong. Hell, I called him out too. No reason to behave as if no one else is out there doing things for their communities either though. All I’m saying.
Not really railing on chance. I just fail to see the point in acting like the shit folks do everyday without wealth means nothing.
In either case, it doesn’t make one immune to criticism.
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As addressed in the apology, people didn't like it because it was a bad deflection from what Kanye was saying. Nobody's actually pissed that black people know they aren't forced to be Democrats, but that's always one of the first alt right talking points for this sort of thing.