Discussion in 'EtcetEra' started by Grizzly, Apr 2, 2018.
don't say it. At this point, he's just alienating people more and more.
Just a small observation, but I find it interesting this thread continues to attract new members.
That said I think its either going to be they make it worse or they say nothing at all.
Malcolm's tweets are pissing me off as well. If there's really some horrible shit going on can he tell us? Can he at least say which producers are toxic and we're supposed to stay away from? What evidence is supposed to be so damning yet hasn't been shown yet? If he can't talk about it then why is he allowed to allude to it at all, repeatedly, with nary a word on this holy grail of truth and virtue from CA management or anyone else involved?
And if it's supposed to be something to do with what's been released, then just say what you think the response means! Everyone from former producer to casual fan to forum poster to youtube pundit has only been able to see the response as bullshit with claims and evidence actually supporting things in the google doc! If your interpretation is so different from everyone else's and you are so apparently passionate about this subject to the point you insist everyone 'read', maybe you should share your interpretation to make it a little easier!
I apologise for the tone but I just can't stand this sort of smarter-than-thou attitude with no good faith and nothing to show for it. I actually can't stand it.
So let's go back to the next best thing... charts!
I'm including the other column this time so you all can see the raw numbers. Even though everything is high, daily views remains soft.
And there it is in graph form:
Also, I wonder why today was hit more with unsubscribes than the previous two days. It's odd how that works out. Spit-balling, I imaging two hundred more unsubscribes for the day, topping out around -1800, and total views for today will probably be under, or very close, to around yesterday's views. Also, if people were doubting about the Jack and Jill video being posted later to Youtube than normal, you can see on the graph the big spike a few days ago and how it isn't in simpatico with the other spikes (and you can also see the much greater drop-off in daily views since this began.
It's not much at all, but I hope this vid of 3 cats wearing shades helps us through this bummer news
I didn't even occur to me that this thread is bringing people to Era.
The lengths some people are going to in order to make themselves feel vindicated in this whole thing is getting a little extreme.
BTW, I never mentioned it in my last post in this thread, but I used to go by Razma. I realized after I posted that my screen names don't match, but I started using this one because of everything that happened with Justin 4 years ago. Seeing him becoming so vilified that people are ready to bring torches and pitchforks for a dead man is really tough. I know people have reached out to Jenny (his widow) and that isn't fair either...
Malcom just doesn't know when to stop. At this point he's probably a lost cause. It could come out that he's a Trumper and I probably wouldn't bat an eye now.
I can only hope Tamara keeps herself busy with her video games and movies to open her mouth anymore. I haven't seen anything from her for a while aside from non-CA stuff. (But I worry a lot)
I feel Mike and company somehow convinced them that it's all lies and sent them (Mainly Malcom) out to be their defense. But it really hurts to watch them do this because I love Malcom and Tamara way more than I've ever liked Doug or Rob. If I wanted anyone to succeed it'd be them. But all we can do is watch them dig themselves (Mainly Malcom) deeper and deeper unable to stop them.
Please guys. Jump in the lifeboats. The ship is pretty much underwater. Read the room.
So I sat down to read the document and man, what a complete managerial mess.
That said I think the funniest bit of unintentional comedy is Doug asking someone "What do you base your funny voice on?" only to be told "Nothing. This is just my voice."
This thread isn't about Doug Walker, but it's kind of about Doug Walker, and is a thing that has bugged me pretty muichsince #ChangeTheChannel started. Actually, it's a thing that's bugged since #MeToo as well. I'm sure for some people it absolutely true they never liked him anyway, but a lot of it feels performative, like they're trying to win brownie points/are afraid people like Lupa and Holly and MarzGurl will think less of them if they knew they were fans of DOug before this all came out.
Crud, I actually thought it would post a link to the rest of the thread too. I suck at this. Good thing there was only one other tweet in the thread, so I won't make this post unreadably large.
I wouldn't be shocked if what's left of CA is trying to push them to defend them, but it's also possible that they're just being dumb, or at least Malcolm is now.
swampbird provided some great personal examples of that, and we do owe some gratitude to him for assisting in launching the careers of some other wonderful talent, but thats not say that this doesn't shed a different light on a lot of his past work.
Edit: the book and the movie are different, I get it! :p
Haven't seen the film so can't comment on that.
I really did make a lot of mental comparisons between Doug and Tommy as this has happened, but I keep running into two major differences; Tommy's an immigrant trying to succeed in a foreign country, Doug (While born abroad) is completely American, and two- Tommy is successful outside his acting career (Somehow...) and Doug is only successful in his "acting" career.
Also, those only reading the book are missing out- no-one does a better Tommy Wiseau impression than Greg.
incredibly vague on that point- Greg talks about that stuff but never makes the same connection, and I don't see it either. Tommy's old friend who was dead and yet an Executive Producer for The Room didn't seem to have any real wealth. No clue about the jeans business.
But enough about Tommy Wiseau, we're here for Channel Awesome. I've come far too close to derailing lol.
While it's much easier to admit now that NC just isn't very good and other such things, full disclosure: until just before the doc came out (ie when i started hearing allegations at the end of March), I was still subbed to NC on youtube and had been a pretty consistent watcher of his for well over a year. Before then I had ducked in and out of watching him before sort of rediscovering him through youtube, getting nostalgic for the days I had watched him since 2011. (looking back on it now, it's likely due to the 'retirement' of NC in 2012 that started me being inconsistent in watching him). I had... many problems with things he said about feminism and masculinity and the like, but I'm no stranger to problematic media; I mean fuck, I'm watching a ton of Super Sentai and Kamen Rider recently where you can count on homophobic and transphobic shit getting rolled out and in some cases the idea of a female kamen rider is treated as a joke. I digress, but the point is I still loved watching his stuff and still found humour in it despite cringing at those elements.
I also admit, completely, that I not only watched but loved To Boldly Flee.
Yeah. I know.
I just really liked seeing a ton of producers I liked getting together and going on this fun adventure. I revelled in the stupid shit like the space houses and the distraction song because, hey, it was all in good fun. Even Linkara - who I've been consistently watching and have honestly been more of a fan of than nc since last year or so - enjoys it so I felt justified in that even more. I also had recently found a lot of joy in Doug and Rob's first viewing series even though I was vaguely aware of Rob being an asshole.
I do want to admit a couple of caveats here to be completely honest, however. Part of why I was able to enjoy the anniversary movies so much was because of an illusion I and a lot of others here laboured under -- that it was just a group of people getting together and enjoying themselves. This meant I didn't take it as seriously and I got a vibe that everyone loved doing what they were doing so I got sucked into it as well. It's only after the doc came out with things like no craft supplies and the horrific rape joke rewrites that I've come to realise how completely opposite it was from how I initially thought.
Secondly... I stand by what I said earlier in the thread. I do think NC is just not a good series at all for serious critical analysis in the slightest. Even if I'm only able to admit this in hindsight and did in fact take a lot of Doug's "criticisms" at face value while I enjoyed him, it is mindless entertainment with no critical merit whatsoever at best.
To sum up... I didn't just watch but loved both NC and the anniversary movies until the truth recently came out. I fully admit to both this and my being uncomfortable with the idea and tone that you had to be stupid to ever find merit in them, though I also admit that with both new information and an unbiased hindsight said new information has sobered me up to, they are pretty much trash regardless.
... One day something similar is gonna come out for Game Grumps and it's gonna force me through this wringer all over again.
When all of this dies down (eventually???), I hope we can create a community thread for... fans of ex-channel awesome people or whatever fits best.
Nothing to be ashamed of for enjoying the movies within the context of its just friends having fun making a passion project, but like i said this all certainly sheds a different light on a lot of it.
I do think we're safe with the Game Grumps, while i'm sure there is some behind the scenes drama, i think Arin and Danny are legitimately good people, love each other and those they work with and try their best to create and build a healthy work environment.
Honestly cannot believe that people care about youtubers this much.
About to go to bed, so I shall leave you all with this.
("Michaud Started the Fire", a song mocking Mike Michaud set to the melody of Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire")
And some of it, more in the case of JW, maybe, is we the audience wanting to believe that we can see through people. That our own goodness is reflected in the stuff we buy/like. It would be less confusing if it weren't true, sometimes, that the media/figures we're drawn to correlates with our personal beliefs.