"Channel Not So Awesome" - Ex-contributors of Channel Awesome detail a history of abuse (READ OP)

The Woods

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To be fair, Arin was doing that too on Game Grumps.
I don't think he ever did back then, did he? I may be wrong on this, i do recall him using the R word in a negative connotation. I do know he recently addressed using a slur in a much older animated video and how ashamed he was of it, and how he finds that unacceptable now, and i think that shows hes grown a lot. I believe this was unprovoked too, their conversation naturally lead to that point and he brought that up himself.
 
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I don't think he ever did back then, did he? I may be wrong on this, i do recall him using the R word in a negative connotation. I do know he recently addressed using a slur in a much older animated video and how ashamed he was of it, and how he'd never do anything like that these days, and i think that shows hes grown a lot. I believe this was unprovoked too, their conversation naturally lead to that point and he brought that up himself.
https://youtu.be/zPPR8xu90sc?t=5m36s

Arin has certainly grown, but he still gives a pass for other people being shitty. Dude was part of the Newgrounds animation community, so it comes with the territory. Dan is the same way, responding with "people are touchy" when he accidentally said "faggot".
 

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You know, i do remember that, but i recall the roles being reversed. I've never revisited the Jon videos.
Arin has certainly grown, but he still gives a pass for other people being shitty. Dude was part of the Newgrounds animation community, so it comes with the territory. Dan is the same way, responding with "people are touchy" when he accidentally said "faggot".
I've not seen the episode in question (i will look it up now though), but Danny did say on Instagram that it wasn't that word he used.

edit: heres the comment - https://imgur.com/2xNpruF - and note that i'm not saying if he did or didn't, just that he denied it. Either way that "people are touchy" part is weak.
 
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The person who does the parody is named Miss Quin. Use that information however you choose.

 

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Small side thing as a non subscriber but now former regular viewer its a chance to see when the youtube algoritham stops recommending videos. Its already 5-6 weeks on and they're still showing up.
 

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Small side thing as a non subscriber but now former regular viewer its a chance to see when the youtube algoritham stops recommending videos. Its already 5-6 weeks on and they're still showing up.
On the video recommendation there will be three dots, click that and select "Not interested in video", from there you'll have more options to remove the channel entirely from your recommendation feed if you so desire.
 

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On the video recommendation there will be three dots, click that and select "Not interested in video", from there you'll have more options to remove the channel entirely from your recommendation feed if you so desire.
Thanks I'll try to remember that for future use. For now I'm just using it as a general test of how long non subscribed videos will be pushed if you lose interest.
 

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Thanks I'll try to remember that for future use. For now I'm just using it as a general test of how long non subscribed videos will be pushed if you lose interest.
I believe the recommendations are based on everything you watch, so if you watch similar content, even stuff like Lindsey Ellis' Hobbit series, or Allison Pregler's Movie Nights, it'll likely keep recommending Channel Awesome.
 

sinopiasaur

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I use Video Blocker and blocked Channel Awesome as a whole (as opposed to individual videos), although that will redirect me away from Channel Awesome's channel page if I visit it by accident. Some folks may or may not want that.

The browser extension is available from Lemonrice.

Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/video-blocker/jknkjnpcbbgcbdbaampbjlhkcghmgfhk?hl=en
Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-blocker/
Opera: https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/video-blocker/
 

maboroshi

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yeah youtube's algorithm can be really stupid sometimes, an accidental click or mere curiosity can poison what you see for months.

i remember hearing about this person who had just started becoming particularly notable, now this is before his infamy (2012/2013 ish i think), i genuinely had no idea who he was. putting his name down would probably be a bad idea, so i'll just say his now permabanned twitter handle was the same as a notable roman emperor. i saw a video of him talking on youtube, found what he was saying to be pretty greasy and didn't follow up on him. still had to deal with shitlord videos (which at the time were annoying to see, rather than what they became after 2014) for about 2 or 3 months until it got cleared out.
 

sinopiasaur

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I actually paused my search and browsing history on YouTube (and cleared it) to avoid clicks resulting in weird-ass recommendations. As a result, YouTube can now only pull from what I'm subscribed to and what I just now watched to create recommendations. I lose some features but dear gods I didn't want to see videos from certain YT channels that reached recent infamy...

Clear & pause watch history: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/95725?hl=en
Clear & pause search history: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/57711?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop
 

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yeah youtube's algorithm can be really stupid sometimes, an accidental click or mere curiosity can poison what you see for months.

i remember hearing about this person who had just started becoming particularly notable, now this is before his infamy (2012/2013 ish i think), i genuinely had no idea who he was. putting his name down would probably be a bad idea, so i'll just say his now permabanned twitter handle was the same as a notable roman emperor. i saw a video of him talking on youtube, found what he was saying to be pretty greasy and didn't follow up on him. still had to deal with shitlord videos (which at the time were annoying to see, rather than what they became after 2014) for about 2 or 3 months until it got cleared out.
If you ever want to watch a video of questionable subject matter out of curiosity or research, just remove it from your YouTube watch history afterwards and the algorithm won't take it into account anymore for your recommendations.
 
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maboroshi

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If you ever want to watch a video of questionable subject matter out of curiosity of or research, just remove it from your YouTube watch history afterwards and the algorithm won't take it into account anymore for your recommendations.
it's okay, i have an extension that lets me block channels. besides that was 2012/13, this is before they implemented the "not interested" option.
 

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If you ever want to watch a video of questionable subject matter out of curiosity of or research, just remove it from your YouTube watch history afterwards and the algorithm won't take it into account anymore for your recommendations.
Private browsing is also pretty effective. I use that whenever I watch Game Theory videos.
 

Beggs

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I'm a little late to the discussion, but I've been following this thread as a lurker for a while now. Hats off and thank you to everyone who has diligently compiled information and developments as they've happened!

In the wake of everything that's come out, I too find myself a former fan who's done with Channel Awesome. I originally found my support waning back in 2015 when Phelous, Lupa, et al were unceremoniously let go, but after a brief boycott, I found myself catching up on Nostalgia Critic videos because I had been watching since 2009 and it was difficult to give it up when I was still enjoying them (more or less). With all that's been revealed now though, I'm definitely done.

Admittedly it's a little easier to quit this time around, not only because of what's come to light, but my own increasing dissatisfaction with NC itself. Before the document came out, I'd already been feeling put off by the increasing smugness in Doug's videos; not only as the Critic, but his out of character reviews and vlogs as well. The more he's tried to inject serious commentary into NC, the more Doug's shortcomings as a critic have become apparent. His myopic views on humour and tendency to either outright lift jokes or do bad sketch show-type parodies in his skits, on top of an increasingly snobby and mean-spirited attitude, were definitely turning me off his videos. I would agree with the suggestion that he hasn't really grown as an artist, comedian, or a critic, and that he's not as good as he thinks he is as far as any of those things are concerned. He had a great thing going once, but he took it in a bad direction, and his flaws as a writer, performer, and critic have been painfully exposed.

I realise that's subjective and somewhat besides the point as the larger issue is CA's incompetence, negligence, mismanagement, and so on, but my point is that my dissatisfaction made it a lot easier to make a clean break this time around. Even if I wanted to callously disregard what CA has done - which I don't - separating the art from the artist wouldn't make a difference as I've grown weary of the art. I guess that's why in the long run, it's not going to hurt CA too much, because a lot of people may be disgusted by their past actions, but willing to give them a shot because they still enjoy the videos. As for me though, like I said, I'm done with them.

I've also come out of the situation with a much worse impression of Malcolm and Tamara. While their initial response was admirable, and it was unfair that they were attacked over the matter, their subsequent attitude has been appalling to say the least; Malcolm in particular. I won't be supporting them or their other projects, either. Also, while I understand there's a lot of personal history with Brad and it's unfair that people have demanded he leave, I've unsubscribed from him as well. It's a shame as I still enjoyed his content, but if he's going to stand with the Walkers and in doing so, stand against his friends like Phelous and Lupa (albeit passively), I feel I can't support him either.

It's a shame that the backlash hasn't affected them more, with their subscriber count starting to rise again and the channel basically weathering the storm, aside from losing almost all their contributors and affiliates, of course. I guess it was inevitable, but I'd like to think some damage has been done in terms of their reputation, and their growth obviously has been stunted as well. They'll survive, at least for now, but it's probably safe to say they lost some long-time, loyal fans.

Anyway, I realise I'm late to the party, but I did feel the need to commiserate with people who obviously understand the situation, and can relate to being former fans who now find themselves utterly disgusted with Channel Awesome. It's a bummer to say the least, and the revelations about JewWario have clearly hurt a lot of people, which I'm sorry to see. I hope everyone who has been deeply affected by that can heal and find peace. Furthermore, hopefully the content creators who have left CA, recently or some years back, will continue to go from strength to strength and thrive away from that toxic business.
 

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Seems the little bit of growth CA had on Sunday stagnated yesterday and now they've lost dozens of subscribers today. There was no video on Sunday.

https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/achannelthatsawesome
What the hell happened? They've lost what few subscribers they gained over the last couple days. If this was just normal horrible bad company with terrible ethics towards their employees that fucked up and is now keeping their trap shut, the bleeding would have stopped a week ago.

But this? What in the hell. What did they DO? I mean, what else did they do recently, obviously they did a lot.

*is boggled*
 

Beggs

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I guess people who were out of the loop are still finding out what happened, so there's some residual waves of people unsubscribing.
 
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What the hell happened? They've lost what few subscribers they gained over the last couple days. If this was just normal horrible bad company with terrible ethics towards their employees that fucked up and is now keeping their trap shut, the bleeding would have stopped a week ago.

But this? What in the hell. What did they DO? I mean, what else did they do recently, obviously they did a lot.

*is boggled*
Happens. All. The. Time.
Fine Bros lost millions of subs, things blew over and now they're back.
JonTron lost tons of subs, got lots of new ones from people to "own the libs"
And now NC will probably keep getting subs even after this.
 

sinopiasaur

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Happens. All. The. Time.
Fine Bros lost millions of subs, things blew over and now they're back.
JonTron lost tons of subs, got lots of new ones from people to "own the libs"
And now NC will probably keep getting subs even after this.
I'm aware that NC will keep getting subs. I expected them to stop bleeding subs a week ago and start to regain subs.

Like if all that happened was that they kept gaining subscribers I wouldn't have been surprised.
 
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I'm aware that NC will keep getting subs. I expected them to stop bleeding subs a week ago and start to regain subs.

Like if all that happened was that they kept gaining subscribers I wouldn't have been surprised.
I think we might be at a point where the variance in subscribers lost or won means that the net daily change dips and surfaces a few times before we see consistent growth again. If there had been another slip-up, I would've expected the loss to be four digits.
 

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I'm a little late to the discussion, but I've been following this thread as a lurker for a while now. Hats off and thank you to everyone who has diligently compiled information and developments as they've happened!

In the wake of everything that's come out, I too find myself a former fan who's done with Channel Awesome. I originally found my support waning back in 2015 when Phelous, Lupa, et al were unceremoniously let go, but after a brief boycott, I found myself catching up on Nostalgia Critic videos because I had been watching since 2009 and it was difficult to give it up when I was still enjoying them (more or less). With all that's been revealed now though, I'm definitely done.

Admittedly it's a little easier to quit this time around, not only because of what's come to light, but my own increasing dissatisfaction with NC itself. Before the document came out, I'd already been feeling put off by the increasing smugness in Doug's videos; not only as the Critic, but his out of character reviews and vlogs as well. The more he's tried to inject serious commentary into NC, the more Doug's shortcomings as a critic have become apparent. His myopic views on humour and tendency to either outright lift jokes or do bad sketch show-type parodies in his skits, on top of an increasingly snobby and mean-spirited attitude, were definitely turning me off his videos. I would agree with the suggestion that he hasn't really grown as an artist, comedian, or a critic, and that he's not as good as he thinks he is as far as any of those things are concerned. He had a great thing going once, but he took it in a bad direction, and his flaws as a writer, performer, and critic have been painfully exposed.

I realise that's subjective and somewhat besides the point as the larger issue is CA's incompetence, negligence, mismanagement, and so on, but my point is that my dissatisfaction made it a lot easier to make a clean break this time around. Even if I wanted to callously disregard what CA has done - which I don't - separating the art from the artist wouldn't make a difference as I've grown weary of the art. I guess that's why in the long run, it's not going to hurt CA too much, because a lot of people may be disgusted by their past actions, but willing to give them a shot because they still enjoy the videos. As for me though, like I said, I'm done with them.

I've also come out of the situation with a much worse impression of Malcolm and Tamara. While their initial response was admirable, and it was unfair that they were attacked over the matter, their subsequent attitude has been appalling to say the least; Malcolm in particular. I won't be supporting them or their other projects, either. Also, while I understand there's a lot of personal history with Brad and it's unfair that people have demanded he leave, I've unsubscribed from him as well. It's a shame as I still enjoyed his content, but if he's going to stand with the Walkers and in doing so, stand against his friends like Phelous and Lupa (albeit passively), I feel I can't support him either.

It's a shame that the backlash hasn't affected them more, with their subscriber count starting to rise again and the channel basically weathering the storm, aside from losing almost all their contributors and affiliates, of course. I guess it was inevitable, but I'd like to think some damage has been done in terms of their reputation, and their growth obviously has been stunted as well. They'll survive, at least for now, but it's probably safe to say they lost some long-time, loyal fans.

Anyway, I realise I'm late to the party, but I did feel the need to commiserate with people who obviously understand the situation, and can relate to being former fans who now find themselves utterly disgusted with Channel Awesome. It's a bummer to say the least, and the revelations about JewWario have clearly hurt a lot of people, which I'm sorry to see. I hope everyone who has been deeply affected by that can heal and find peace. Furthermore, hopefully the content creators who have left CA, recently or some years back, will continue to go from strength to strength and thrive away from that toxic business.
I'm glad you've found this thread helpful/useful. Nostalgia Critic's output has definitely stagnated and I guess he'll just continue to fade into obscurity. He's no pewdiepie or logan paul- he's long past the zenith of his popularity and is just riding it out until it finally dies.

You're welcome to stick around if you'd like, I've tried making a little community thread here:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/reviewers-central-ot-escape-from-channel-awesome.38203/
 

Beggs

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I'm glad you've found this thread helpful/useful. Nostalgia Critic's output has definitely stagnated and I guess he'll just continue to fade into obscurity. He's no pewdiepie or logan paul- he's long past the zenith of his popularity and is just riding it out until it finally dies.

You're welcome to stick around if you'd like, I've tried making a little community thread here:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/reviewers-central-ot-escape-from-channel-awesome.38203/
Thanks! I'd say I will stick around and join in the conversation here and there.

As for the future of the Nostalgia Critic, I'm inclined to agree. Beyond any lingering effects of the controversy, I think more people will eventually tire of the snobby pseudo-intellectualism commentary mixed with class clown-level humour that's mistaking itself for being the class wit. It's unfortunate because he obviously stumbled on a winning idea playfully riffing on the things he and many of us grew up with, both good and bad, but the focus has drifted and he's no longer playing to his strengths. It'll reach a point where more people outgrow or get bored with his style of humour, because class clown fare doesn't mature or evolve, and they'll probably stop treating his opinions as gospel, too.
 

Beggs

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Although the conversation has died down a bit, I'm still seeing the occasional "What, what happened?" Tweets as well.
 
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Malcolm and Tamara's Twitters are returning to normalcy. Still some tweets referencing the hate they've gotten. In my opinion, Malcolm's tweet appears in good humor when taken out of the context of his past tweets. Unfortunately, he still made those past tweets. Tamara's tweet might also be trying to garner a laugh, but it also seems ambiguously melodramatic, and I'm not ruling out Poe's Law being in effect.


 

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Friend of mine found out about this drama late so I told them about it which prompted me to wonder if Guru Larry or Brad had left yet. Turns out they haven't, but they've changed their layout a little.



They've removed the 'video games', 'movies' etc headers and just put the names on their own. I kinda find it funny that the one time they decide to actually update the look of the site, it's for something like this.
 

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Friend of mine found out about this drama late so I told them about it which prompted me to wonder if Guru Larry or Brad had left yet. Turns out they haven't, but they've changed their layout a little.



They've removed the 'video games', 'movies' etc headers and just put the names on their own. I kinda find it funny that the one time they decide to actually update the look of the site, it's for something like this.
It boggles my mind that after everything Guru Larry has said about only staying on as a joke that they haven't removed him and are leaving him on there.

Either they just want it to look like they have some support, they don't really care enough to remove him or they don't even know what he was saying.
 

Beggs

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All three scenarios seem quite plausible; maybe even a combination of those things, considering how long it's taken to remove some people from the site in the past.

Also just checked out of curiosity, and it seems registration hasn't been re-enabled, so there aren't many comments on a lot of the latest videos (at least on the site itself). Forum is still offline as well.
 

maboroshi

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All three scenarios seem quite plausible; maybe even a combination of those things, considering how long it's taken to remove some people from the site in the past.

Also just checked out of curiosity, and it seems registration hasn't been re-enabled, so there aren't many comments on a lot of the latest videos (at least on the site itself). Forum is still offline as well.
it'll be back in two weeks. TWO WEEKS!!!11!!
 

Veelk

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It boggles my mind that after everything Guru Larry has said about only staying on as a joke that they haven't removed him and are leaving him on there.

Either they just want it to look like they have some support, they don't really care enough to remove him or they don't even know what he was saying.
Speaking of, Guru Larry , why haven't you quit yet?
 

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Not sure how many of you are familiar with the concept of weaponized charity, or if anybody besides me calls it that for that matter, but in case you want an idea of what it looks like...


 

Kurona

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OOF.

I guess they finally figured now was the time that most people had stopped caring so they'd be able to get away with it. Unfortunately they're probably right.
 

Finaj

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In fairness to channel awesome, the Walkers have been promoting charities and fundraisers through the Nostalgia Critic for years, so I'm not entirely sure this is a response to #changethechannel.
 

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In fairness to channel awesome, the Walkers have been promoting charities and fundraisers through the Nostalgia Critic for years, so I'm not entirely sure this is a response to #changethechannel.
Yeah, this is fair. Doug throwing shade at his own critics in some kind of attempt to claim the moral high ground is kind of shitty, but actually doing charity work? That's not new for the Walkers or CA in general.
 

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Good for them for working with this charity, seems like a good cause, but why would you specifically mention people trying to spread negative attention in this interview? It does come off poorly.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Good for them for working with this charity, seems like a good cause, but why would you specifically mention people trying to spread negative attention in this interview? It does come off poorly.
Because if there's anything we've learned about the CA management in the past few months, it's that their pettiness does not have a floor. It simply drills down and down and down.
 

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Because if there's anything we've learned about the CA management in the past few months, it's that their pettiness does not have a floor. It simply drills down and down and down.
Oh, i know, one would just hope that after everything that went down and how poorly it was handled that they'd have learned to be more careful with their wording.

Still, credit where it is due, good on them for their past charity work and choosing to focus on it now. Lets hope that in the future this is never used as a way to deflect for any potential past or future criticisms that are levied against the company.
 

juoksa

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Hi guys. Just wanted to say I'm somehow glad I came across this thread. I don't really follow CA closely — I'm not on twitter, I never check their site as I usually just watch their videos on their youtube channel once a week and I only know of their (now former) collaborators through guest appearances in NC episodes (except for Lindsay Ellis) — so when I came across a handful of comments asking "so Doug, when are you going to address the elephant in the room?" on youtube last month, I had no idea what it was about. A cursory search lead me to the Salon article focusing largely on management issues I'd heard of before and I left it at that.

It left me with a gnawing feeling though, so a few days later I searched for more info and came across the two threads here on resetera. And Christ, is it worse than it looks — in hindsight, the Salon piece really seems to tone down the issues at hand and do its best to strike a middle ground (but not quite). So this thread was an eye-opener. It's sad to see what sort of ugliness can lie under the bright, shiny surface.

To me the most striking, ironic part of the whole ordeal is that it seemed to me that Doug wasn't really into Trump (euphemism), yet the way they handled the whole thing reeks of Trumpism: first issue a non-apology, then obfuscate by striking back viciously yet beside the point with a peculiar focus on women, then use the media to your advantage (the Salon piece doesn't go into the worst of the situation — condoning harassment and rape — and leaves the final word to Doug). And obviously it works — the vast majority of their audience is probably as ill-informed as I was before I came across this thread, and they'll probably keep thriving on it. Which is sad. But hey, from what I've read a number of former CA associates got a sub boost since they left. At least there's that.
 

sinopiasaur

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Hi and welcome @juoska!

But yeah, at least many former CA associates got sub boosts, patreon boosts, or were rediscovered by many folks who'd lost track of them. And there's support among them now, because none of them were actually alone. Holly herself, while a victim, also did some folks wrong and has apologized to them---so at least that small bit was rectified for some. There's some closure... even if that closure has to dead-end at "CA just stopped listening but at least shut up eventually."

Although considering that CA seems not to have learned any lessons---not even "shut up" necessarily---we may see a new scandal happen this year or later down the road.

I don't yet know if Quinton Reviews will follow up his third Fallen Titans episode (about #changethechannel) in his upcoming new Fallen Titans episode. If that happens... if CA stays quiet, we're probably out of the woods as far as them not causing wounds to reopen.
 

SilentRob

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This was exactly as bad as I expected. He doesn't confront a single point made in the document and he and the host basically have a circlejerk around the fact that "people online just make their mind up and nothing you say can change their mind anyway". Then they revel in the fact that none of this had any negative influence on their business anyway and that's that.

You'd think you'd confront the fact that they accidentely made the identity of a rape victim public, that they actually hid the fact one of their staff was a rapist even from his collegues, who continued to produce videos honoring him. Or any of the dozens of accusations of harassement and despicable treatment of creatives. But nah. None of that.
 

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This was exactly as bad as I expected. He doesn't confront a single point made in the document and he and the host basically have a circlejerk around the fact that "people online just make their mind up and nothing you say can change their mind anyway". Then they revel in the fact that none of this had any negative influence on their business anyway and that's that.

You'd think you'd confront the fact that they accidentely made the identity of a rape victim public, that they actually hid the fact one of their staff was a rapist even from his collegues, who continued to produce videos honoring him. Or any of the dozens of accusations of harassement and despicable treatment of creatives. But nah. None of that.
Well, I've been bored by his videos recently anyway. Now that there's a response, time to unsubscribe.
 

ObiWan

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Whelp, fuck him then. Also fuck Double Toasted as well, what a shit couple of dudes. The giggling by these three assholes was infuriating.
 

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This was exactly as bad as I expected. He doesn't confront a single point made in the document and he and the host basically have a circlejerk around the fact that "people online just make their mind up and nothing you say can change their mind anyway". Then they revel in the fact that none of this had any negative influence on their business anyway and that's that.

You'd think you'd confront the fact that they accidentely made the identity of a rape victim public, that they actually hid the fact one of their staff was a rapist even from his collegues, who continued to produce videos honoring him. Or any of the dozens of accusations of harassement and despicable treatment of creatives. But nah. None of that.
Oof, after time has passed that's the way he responds? Glad I decided to not support him by watching his stuff anymore when this situation started and he told people to fuck off from asking him about it.