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Charlie Hebdo Directly Invokes Imagery of George Floyd to "Satirize" Meghan Markle
- Thread starter excelsiorlef
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Charlie Hebdo was always a shity magazine with very poor taste and the most ham fisted humor, let's not forget that.
Just because they were victims of heinous fanatics it doesn't mean they were ever funny, ingenious or tasteful.
Just because they were victims of heinous fanatics it doesn't mean they were ever funny, ingenious or tasteful.
Exactly.... they are asshole a who do things like this for attention
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It's to mock Meghan for speaking about her experiences of racism because she's rich.
Edit: 👆 wait what? How did you end up with that take?
To be more explicit, the full translation reads:
"Why Meghan left Buckingham"
"Because I couldn't breathe anymore"
It's not really my type of humor, but I never got people getting up in arms (in some sad cases, literally) about drawings.
They're calling out the Queen as being the same as Chauvin, there's worse things to get upset about in the world IMO.
To be more explicit, the full translation reads:
"Why Meghan left Buckingham"
"Because I couldn't breathe anymore"
It's not really my type of humor, but I never got people getting up in arms (in some sad cases, literally) about drawings.
They're calling out the Queen as being the same as Chauvin, there's worse things to get upset about in the world IMO.
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No they aren't.
They're mocking Markle by pretending she's associating her experiences of racism with what happened to Floyd.
Its a rough comparison; one is the lethal byproduct of an ongoing civil rights issue affecting millions, the other is still ultimately a gossip story (not to say her story isn't valid or needed to be out there considering the royals responsibility in white supremacy, but its not teenagers getting murdered and we only care because of 'status' of an archaic view on monarchy)
I don't think the quality of the satire was the reason all those people got murdered.
Charlie Hebdo have been very inconsistently irresponsible with their platform. The time to give them the benefit of the doubt is long past.
I'm not seeing it. Here's some commentary they had earlier this week:
Which translates to:
Friendly advice
Meghan Markle accuses the royal family of "peddling lies." Watch your ass Meghan, it smells like the Alma bridge [the tunnel where Diana died].
It's very crude in typical Charlie fashion, but it's much more anti-royals than it is anti-Meghan. Charlie is very much on the left side of the spectrum in France (not that there isn't any racism on that side, but there is much more republicanism/antimonarchism).
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By trivializing her experiences of racist by juxtopsing it with the murder of George Floyd.
It's mocking the royal family too but it's a two birds with one stone cover.
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It's not pro royal family but they're using George Floyd as a counterpoint.
That Markle is a rich girl who doesn't experience real racism.
It's the kind of racism that pops up from time to time in left wing class politics.
Like I don't for a minute believe they ate sympathetic to Meghan at all.
That interpretation really doesn't make any sense to me looking at the cover. It would only make sense if, on the cover, Markle wouldn't actually be treated badly or hurt and THEN she would be saying that. The cover only attacks the Queen and the royal family, satirizing their behaviour by drawing comparisons to probably the most well-known incident of racism in the current media landscape.
Your interpretation opens up another layer were the cover is actually saying "This is what Marke THINKS is happening to her". But that's not coming from the cover, that's an accusation coming from you that isn't really rooted in what the cover itself is portraying.
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It's both sides satire
It's sure the royals are racist but come in Meghan you're not George Floyd
I'm sorry but that's absolutely not how I read it. It's to highlight the Royals racism and how even Meghan isn't safe from it.
You're obviously entitled to your own opinion, but I think you're vastly overthinking this. You're not French, are you?
User banned (3 months): dismissing concerns around racist imagery, prior ban for misogyny
How do you people even function day to day if you what you get from this cover is a racist attack on megan.
Seriously. it's like the complete opposite.
I get that you don't care about context or anything really as long as you can get offended, but jesus christ take a step back.
Seriously. it's like the complete opposite.
I get that you don't care about context or anything really as long as you can get offended, but jesus christ take a step back.
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I really disagree.
You often here the turn of phrase It's suffocating referring to social situations that aren't enjoyable.
In fact Markle said it herself
Royal life suffocating, was contemplating suicide, reveals Meghan Markle in Oprah show
'Efforts to seek medical help rebuffed by palace officials, questions raised over child's skin colour'
www.telegraphindia.com
It's this is what real suffocating looks like Meghan.
It's mocking her for being privileged.
I don't know, I just don't see that at all.
Edit: Ah, now I get your point. I guess you can actually read it like that.
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I dunno what to tell you it comes off as mocking her for talking about racism feeling suffocated when she's so rich and privileged unlike George Floyd who was actually suffocated
But I'm willing to be wrong
But I'm willing to be wrong
I don't see it that way tbh. It looks very much like the criticism is on the royals.
I'm sorry, but your reading of this is a tremendous stretch. It's poor taste and lazy, that much I agree with, but the Queen is depicted as someone choking the life out of her victim...a murderer. She even has glowing red eyes.
There's nothing there at all that's mocking Meghan Markle for being a rich girl with no problems, that's shit that you're projecting on there. If she had dollar signs in her eyes or something, then maybe. If she had Harry on a leash or something, then possibly you could read it as critical of her. As it is, she's portrayed purely as a victim of Royal oppression in the clumsiest, most ham-fisted and tasteless way possible. If there's an article inside that paints her that way, then fair enough, I apologise, but just based on that image...you're reaching.
I mean this is a crass way of putting it. But seriously did the OP even think about this cover?
I really disagree.
You often here the turn of phrase It's suffocating referring to social situations that aren't enjoyable.
In fact Markle said it herself
That's where mockery via juxtapositionRoyal life suffocating, was contemplating suicide, reveals Meghan Markle in Oprah show
'Efforts to seek medical help rebuffed by palace officials, questions raised over child's skin colour'
It's this is what real suffocating looks like Meghan.
It's mocking her for being privileged.
But, again, that is not what the cover is portraying. For the cover to say what you are saying, there is an entire layer missing of Markle sitting somewhere, drinking tea, being mildly inconvenienced and imagining that this is what's happening to her. You just kind of have to assume that the cover isn't portraying what it is portraying and instead has some sinister other meaning that it's just too afraid to spell out (which, well... it's Charlie Hebdo, they aren't really in the business of being afraid of spelling things out).
I get where you are coming from but I feel like your criticism really isn't rooted in the actual cover but your fears of the editorial team ACTUALLY meaning something other than what the cover is portraying.
You could also argue that it's the opposite and CH are highlighting how the Royals' treatment of Markle is just another form of institutionalized racism, much like what George Floyd suffered.
For anyone saying this is trash/garbage whatever.....Read this thread and recognize the different interpretations and opinions as a job well done for Charlie Hebdo......
I respect the craft, art and discussions Charlie Hebdo creates!
I respect the craft, art and discussions Charlie Hebdo creates!
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To me it's how you'd draw a cartoon if you wanted to mock Meghan for claiming she's a victim.
It comes across as them acting like Meghan is putting herself in the same category of victim as George Floyd.
Looks like she's being portrayed as the victim of racism. It's clumsy, cheap and distasteful (par for the course), but it's not mocking her as far as I can tell.
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Wait you realize this type of confusion about message and target (and I'm not the only one who sees it the way I see it btw) is like absolutely bad satire right
This where I stand. I think the cover is certainly in poor taste, but the OP is coming off as looking to be offended.
To me, the only ones being made fun of are the royals in this instance. (The white ones)
To you maybe? But I think you're way off. There is nothing in Meghan's depiction that's trivializing. If it had a Gucci bag, or pound signs around her that's different. But it didn't.
I mean the Queen is literally drawn as the villain from Roger Rabbit. It's clearly a critic on the Royals.
Charlie Hebdo has never been subtle and you can say this is really in poor taste, but it's in no way an attack on Meghan. And I really don't see why comparing her situation to George Floyd (which is pretty clumsy) is in anyway trivialising it, considering the horrible way Floyd died.
Charlie Hebdo has never been subtle and you can say this is really in poor taste, but it's in no way an attack on Meghan. And I really don't see why comparing her situation to George Floyd (which is pretty clumsy) is in anyway trivialising it, considering the horrible way Floyd died.
As a native french speaker, it seems like the royals are the only ones painted in a negative light.
The joke is still in poor taste imo but they arent criticizing Markle here.
The joke is still in poor taste imo but they arent criticizing Markle here.
Here's the animated version from their YouTube channel. The focus is all on the Queen. Charlie definitely has a bit of that "eat the rich" mentality v would go over very well with a significant chunk of this forum, but I don't think it's coming into play with this particular cartoon.
The non-French speaking world was introduced to their work with the Mohammed cartoons, leading many to falsely assume that they were right wing racists or something like that. They're left wing provocateurs. Their name comes from them joking about Charles de Gaulle (the patron saint of the French right)'s death.
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It's rooted in if someone asked me to picture what a reduction to absurdity comic mocking Markle' POV regarding her experiences of racism... this is exactly what I'd envision.
I've seen this countless times where people who talk about racism are compared to more serious experiences of racism in order to mock their claims.
If I'm wrong I'm wrong... but I just don't find it a coincidence that she claimed Royal Life, a privileged life class wise, was suffocating, and now here she is having her words and face being used in a depiction of George Floyd who actually was suffocated