Cheating and Trainers in Single Player Games

Should Trainers and Cheating be allowed in Single Player Games

  • Yes, as long as it is Single Player its ok

    Votes: 1,083 95.7%
  • No, cheating is cheating no matter where it happens.

    Votes: 49 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,132

Banzai

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
1,166
Obviously fine as long as your cheating isn't affecting anyone else.

I will say though. I used to not play the GTA games normally at all and just cheat all the time. I had fun with it, sure, but eventualyl I tried finishing the stories without cheats and had much MORE fun. So to each their own, but I don't really get any enjoyment out of cheats anymore.
 

TheMadTitan

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,030
I'm all for cheats. Game Genie, Action Replay, Gameshark, Cheat Engine; give me all of them.

I'm glad I have the option of that kind of stuff again now that I'm on PC; not having the ability to do this kind of stuff last gen on consoles was a big bummer.
 

BrickArts295

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,403
I honestly don't know how anyone has the patience to go through the GTA trilogy without cheating. I somehow managed with San Andreas (mainly due to the Xbox achievements) and it was...doable until the last third of the game (to be fair, it was the remastered version so it fixed a lot of the issues the original had, but I could tell which sections must have made non-cheaters pissed without the checkpoint system). But 3 and VC (the PS2 versions on PS4) can get pretty bonkers with their tasks and instant mission fails.

I have no guilts cheating on old games though. Yeah I didn't beat Ninja Gaiden (NES) legitimately, but goddamn I wanted to be able to beat the final FINAL boss with more than just a 1/3 of my life. I'm enjoying a lot of old games thanks to save states.
 
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mxbison

Member
Jan 14, 2019
1,034
I wonder if those that voted "no" are some of the "more options are always better" crowd when it comes to mtx boosters in singleplayer games
 

Decarb

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,159
Waiting for PC version of RDR2 so I can cheat the shit out of economy and never have to loot a body again.
 

Phoenix944

Member
Oct 28, 2017
653
I understand that developers don't want you to rush through and not play the game as they intended. But at the end of the day, you bought the game and it belongs to you. As long as it's strictly singleplayer we should be allowed to do whatever the fuck we want with it.
 

Fredrik

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,649
You cheated not only the game, but yourself.

You didn't grow.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.

You experienced a hollow victory.
Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.

It's sad that you don't know the difference.
Beautiful.

But I've played games that I have yet seen the end of because I'm not cheating and I'm not improving enough to finish them. Ikaruga. I don't think I can ever gain the skills needed to finish that.
 
Dec 2, 2017
5,481
I wouldn’t not having as good a time playing through final fantasy 7 right now without the boosts on so no it’s not cheating.
 

Zackat

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,479
Using the trainer in SFV to get the colors from that shitty single player mode was the easiest decision
 
Oct 31, 2017
214
I loved the commands in Oblivion like god mode. I usually started the game seriously but it always devolved into just wreaking havoc and accessing inaccessable areas thanks to the unlock command. That's also the reason why I never finished the game.
 

BobbeMalle

Member
Dec 5, 2017
491
I like messing around games when i've completed them and since i don't like farming stupid materials for 20 hours, i have no shame in using them.
 

Funyarinpa

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,281
I'm one of those people who thinks Dark Souls and similar games being hard games has a meaning and that easy modes would take some of that away etc etc

I literally couldn't give a shit about people cheating in single player games
 

Gizamaluke

Member
Oct 28, 2017
55
Funny this thread has come up, because I have decided to finally see out Deadly Premonition and found a trainer to make the game a bit more bearable. As unique and amazing as it is, the gameplay genuinely needs the help.
 

Mazzo

Member
Oct 27, 2017
206
I never use them these days, but if it helps one's enjoyment of the game without hindering another's, that's absolutely fine.

I remember using noclip and other console commands in the early Half-Life 2 days, after my first playthrough. It can be a whole other fascinating experience to fly and visit places the devs never wanted you to. You have the opportunity to see some of the inner workings of the game. That experience also has value.

Also, when I was a kid, cheats were the only way I had courage to play Duke Nukem. Years later I finished the game fair and square.
 
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orava

Member
Jun 10, 2019
54
When you have played the game through or are just starting to get bored with it, cheats and trainers can make it feel like completely new game. And sometimes you just want to feel like a god.

Singleplayer yes, though achievements should be disabled.

Multiplayer, never
Depends on what kind of multiplayer. A closed server with couple friends and cheats enabled purposefully can be insanely fun.
 

Grahf

Member
Oct 27, 2017
648
People can play however they wish, that's a given.
That said, if cheating is the only way for you to play or appreciate a game, maybe the game is not for you.

Recent case in point : Sekiro. The fast paced action, learning curve, trial and error, rich gameplay and inherent adaptability required from you until the pure satisfaction of having prevailed with your own skills... It's indescribable.
Remove the difficulty and you're basically left with a dish with no flavor.

That said, nothing wrong with some QoL changes like the ones seen in recent RPGs or remakes : FFXII fast mode or things to make a game less tedious, I can understand.
 

FluffyQuack

Member
Nov 27, 2017
388
It's singleplayer, so do whatever you want. Though if there is some kind of leaderboard component to the game, it would be nice if those were kept clean.
 

ShinUltramanJ

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,688
I generally don’t, but I’m not above using an infinite ammo cheat in something like Blood. Makes the game so much more fun.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,325
People can play however they wish, that's a given.
That said, if cheating is the only way for you to play or appreciate a game, maybe the game is not for you.

Recent case in point : Sekiro. The fast paced action, learning curve, trial and error, rich gameplay and inherent adaptability required from you until the pure satisfaction of having prevailed with your own skills... It's indescribable.
Remove the difficulty and you're basically left with a dish with no flavor.

That said, nothing wrong with some QoL changes like the ones seen in recent RPGs or remakes : FFXII fast mode or things to make a game less tedious, I can understand.
That’s the beauty of cheating. It can make a game that isn’t “for you” more enjoyable with no cost or effort from the devs, which is a crucial point I think.

In all the fromsoft “there should be an easy mode” threads I actually take the same position as you precisely because I don’t think devs should go out of their way to provide modes they have no interest in making. But if the player can do it themselves, what rational objection could there be? There isn’t one.
 

Xater

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,790
Germany
I do not care how anyone wants to enjoy their singleplayer game. Cheat and hack to your heart's content!

Personally rarely do it.
 

Watevaman

Member
Oct 30, 2017
182
I was born with an Action Replay in one hand and a Gameshark in the other. Who cares about cheating in an SP game? If it's not for an achievement that would put you ahead of others it's all good.
 

AntiMacro

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,208
Alberta
What is this bullshit of "hurting enjoyment"? lmao

Get over yourself.
Ehh - if you turn to a cheat as soon as you get stuck or a fight is hard, then yeah...it has to be taking away any sense of accomplishment for finishing a tough fight. You're 'beating' the game, but at the same time...you're just seeing the story through, you're not actually accomplishing the tasks needed to do it.

Again, if it's a single player game - go ahead. It only affects you, and if you don't care...oh well.
 

RyanG

Member
Nov 1, 2017
647
Knock yourself out, cheat away. There's no right or wrong way to get enjoyment from a game you paid money for so long as you aren't negatively impacting the experience for anyone else, so yeah pretty much all MP games are a no-no. I would argue even co-op games. Someone once dropped a hacked weapon in Borderlands 2 (on the console version no less which is much more difficult to mess with than a PC version) and i admit i used it to easily solo a raid boss and kind of wished i had done it legit.

Personally i don't know how you could complete the old school Contra games without the infamous Konami cheat code for extra lives. I am not very good at those games!

EDIT: I just remembered that i totally had a Game Genie and an Action Replay for the NES and SNES respectively. You could do some fun things fucking around with the games code back then.

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.

You didn't grow.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.

You experienced a hollow victory.
Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.

It's sad that you don't know the difference.
God i love this meme.
 

Flevance

Member
Oct 28, 2017
725
It's up to you to play your game and enjoy it however you like, but it's annoying when you work so hard on achieving a trophy only to find out there's tons of people who got it by hacking/glitches or whatever was the method
 

Druffmaul

Member
Oct 24, 2018
190
Did they lose too much gamer credit in your eyes?
You happen to respect a lot of people for completing video games...?
Say someone beats Dark Souls. That counts for something, right? They put forth the effort and they persevered, so that at least deserves a notion of "Nice job," "Atta boy," etc. But if they cheated, not so much.

EDIT: The trophy thing people are bringing is basically the same point.
 

Zero-ELEC

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,105
México
Say someone beats Dark Souls. That counts for something, right? They put forth the effort and they persevered, so that at least deserves a notion of "Nice job," "Atta boy," etc. But if they cheated, not so much.

EDIT: The trophy thing people are bringing is basically the same point.
Are you playing Dark Souls for recognition?
 

NeroPaige

Member
Jan 8, 2018
846
yes it's ok.

I slow down the game in cheat engine whilst retaining butter smooth g-sync (some games don't like it, but most I've played run fine). This is training wheels to learn the game and so on. Mousewheel up = normal speed, mousewheel down = 50% speed, Middlemouse = 200%. Or macro buttons on my custom controller. It's miles ahead of my console experience and things like this are why PC is my main platform. It even speeds up loading screens on some games :-D
 

roguesquirrel

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
2,247
Ehh - if you turn to a cheat as soon as you get stuck or a fight is hard, then yeah...it has to be taking away any sense of accomplishment for finishing a tough fight. You're 'beating' the game, but at the same time...you're just seeing the story through, you're not actually accomplishing the tasks needed to do it.
No offense this response still beggars "Get over yourself"
As if enjoyment in a video game across every player across every game is solely "i accomplished a task"
 

Ryuhza

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
5,713
San Diego County
It's fine as long as it's single player, not affecting leaderboards, and not factored into the qualitative judgement of a game's design. Like--exaggerated example--complaining that a game is too easy when you turned on infinite health.
 

Z-Beat

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,310
It's completely fine as long as you don't write a review about how the game was too easy afterwards
 

KS93

Member
Oct 26, 2017
562
You should do whatever maximises your enjoyment of the game, if that's using cheats or whatever, roll with it. Using them isn't to my personal taste though.

Obviously, when that impacts other people's experiences though in any way, that's a huge no.
 

Chopchop

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,632
It's totally fine. While it obviously means you're no longer getting the intended playing experience, sometimes cheats open up entirely new ways to have fun with a game.

I probably wouldn't have such fond memories of Jedi Knight 2 if I didn't play with console commands in that game. I spent many hours just spawning stuff and watching them fight each other.