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Chicago: gunmen open fire on protesters against gun violence and murder two women
- Thread starter Noodle
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User Banned (5 days): Off-topic trolling and derailing over a series of posts; previous ban for similar behavior
Paging all the defenders in the "is America safe" topic.
That's bullshit.
There's a difference between America having serious problems that need addressing and statistical safety.
Famed tourist destination, Englewood, Chicago.
Because the single most broken neighborhood in all of America is representative of the country as a whole.
Yeah not really. It actually is getting to the point you need to have your head on a swivel.
Fuck that sucks, so many activists get killed in these areas
The OP in that thread wasn't going to Englewood
Personally I said anywhere a tourist would want to go is safe.
These women were killed in southside chicago.
It shouldn't matter where you are. Shit just went down at a fucking garlic festival and you're gonna pull the oh it's a shitty neighborhood in Chicago routine.
How many times does it need to happen before we say there's a problem?
It happened at an elementary school.
A Miami gay bar.
Lots of churches.
A Vegas concert.
There's a hundred more in "good" neighborhoods.
You remember Las Vegas, correct?
People just got murdered at a food festival.
Children are massacred in schools.
America is broken.
I travel to Bahamas, Belize, and Mexico. Y'all would shit your pants.
Ok just dismiss the problem here because there are problems elsewhere.
All horrible incidents but largely statistically irrelevant in terms of being safe for a tourist. Doesnt mean there arent larger issues either. Now if you're going to Englewood, it's a different story completely.
I'm not dismissing the problems here. I'm more concerned about dying in a car accident in America than by gun because math. I'm more concerned about dying from being shot in Belize than at home because math.
I'm for a complete and total assault weapons ban. Was opposed to Republicans getting rid of it when they did.
Tourists don't go to American schools.
A tourist should still worry far more about getting into a car accident than being shot.
I'm not minimizing how terrible this event is, it's incredibly sad and we need better gun control. But it has nothing to do with that other topic you mentioned.
But shaming and tut tutting here solves things right? No one here is pro gun. Who are you trying to rile up?
Gonna gloss over Las Vegas, etc then?
The point is that gun violence doesn't only happen in "bad neighbourhoods". Children normally don't go to school expecting to get shot either.
Las Vegas is one of the largest tourism destinations in the country, and is also the location of the largest US mass shooting ever.
No one said it did.
Oh, it's this type of concern troll. You don't come off as well as you think.
It's just the usual toxicity.
There's nothing inconsistent between desperately wanting change in US gun policy *and* not being afraid to travel in the USA, but people just love to drag on others any chance they get.
Social media toxicity is actually a big part of the world's problems; bad actors want to divide and polarize the citizenry as much as possible to make it ineffective and unable to enact change. And it works, because psychology.
User Banned (3 days): Continued hostility over a series of posts, ignoring staff post.
Bruh fuck off. I volunteer for everytown.
Dismissing and normalizing yeah that's def gonna help.
Maybe don't spout off with this armchair shit when you don't know anything about me.
Ok? So that makes it ok to shit on people in a thread? You were talking to someone who agrees its a huge problem and never said otherwise. They were just responding to that post referencing the other thread, and they were right that statistically the crime and murder rate is down.
Thanks, Mom. I'll stop quoting you so as not to derail the thread, but I'm sure you'll continue shaming everyone for their lack of solutions.
Nothing in that post is about how violence only happens in bad neighborhoods. Don't put words into other peoples' mouths. When a bunch of posters are saying youre wrong...
maybe have some self awareness.
Also this real snarky low effort posting shit is weak. We should hold this forum to a higher standard than AOL instant messenger or twitter memes.
Can we possibly discuss this specific event than something in some other thread? I mean is that possible without continuous derailing?
Imagine being such a pathetic piece of shit that you'd continue to defend your right to own firearms as a hobby while women and children are murdered everyday. Anyone that continues to "well, actually" about this shit can go fuck themselves.
Not to drag yet another thread into this topic, but have you seen the Tarantino/Bruce Lee thread? Can we stop trying to act like this place is better than anywhere else on the Internet? That illusion was shattered ages ago.
Not to drag yet another thread into this topic, but have you seen the Tarantino/Bruce Lee thread? Can we stop trying to act like this place is better than anywhere else on the Internet? That illusion was shattered ages ago.
Not as weak as people trying to downplay the problem of gun violence in America. Something I'm frankly shocked to see here.
This is not an isolated incident, and the idea that gun violence across America is somehow off topic in a thread about yet another shooting (at a freaking anti-gun violence rally) is patently ridiculous.
Mass shooting? No, most definitions of mass shooting require 3 or more victims.
This is just your typical summer weekend violence in Chicago's most segregated, most underfunded, and worst policed neighborhood. It's yet another sad example of how decades of mismanagement have created an endless cycle of violence and how current apathy on the part of political leaders ensures that it will not end any time soon
You can believe no one should have firearms or that they should even take them away (I do) while still acknowledging that mass shootings are a different type of crime than the reason why the crime rate in parts of some cities is very high.