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Chief Of Staff Mick Mulvaney publicly acknowledges there was a quid pro quo with Ukraine: "We do that all the time. Get over it."
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Right, but we have to assume literally no one is going to do that.
Seems to be working pretty well so far. They have proven that our checks and balances are borkn if you stack just the right amount of governement.
The broom is getting replaced, piece by piece before our eyes. No one knows how any of this will turn out. Crazy times, huh?
This blew my mind. Thousands of people died due to our negligence with aid and he just casually mentions it as an "oh by the way...we did it there too." Never mind the fact that Puerto Rico is NOT a foreign country. I'm so tired.
Wait... that's not him? I just assumed that he retired from acting and joined the administration.He always looked more like the Nazi from Raiders of the Lost Ark to me.
Half of those folks were on TV before working for Trump do it's not even that much of a stretch.
Why? For optics? For votes?
They just fucking admitted it point blank, periodt.
Jesus fucking Christ. The White House is admitting to high crimes and there isn't mass sustained protest and unrest. What will it actually take, America?! Like, ACTUALLY.
No, he only said that they make quid pro quo agreements all the time, not that the reason for it this time was to help the President's campaign bid, which is the illegal part.
I'm trying to stay positive in all of this but my blood is fucking boiling with everything that's been happening lately.
when he shuts down youtube or another social media site
but why would he when they are right-wing breeding grounds
no, he said that the reason was to investigate the democrats
a nonsense conspiracy theory that Ukraine is hiding Hillary's email server. But the question he was responding to specifically asked if it was quid pro quo to "investigate democrats"
his "we do it all the time" answer was not specific to domestic politics -- he gave a bunch of irrelevant examples. Then he went on to say get over it if you want politics separate from foreign policy. Which sounds benign only if you ignore the context of the discussion
America is a capitalist society and people will lose their homes if they dick around on the National Mall accomplishing nothing for days and weeks at a time. The country is set up in such a way that sustained protest ISN'T POSSIBLE.
You know where you ask a kid for a stolen thing, which you think is behind their back? Then they hold out one hand to show it's empty, you say "the other hand!" and they put the empty hand behind their back to grab the thing?
You have the whistle blower, released rough transcript, Trump admitting to asking Ukraine and China on live tv, and now Mulvaney admitting the aid was part of the deal on live tv.
The entire criminal act laid outiin front of everyone and people still support this dumbass.
The entire criminal act laid outiin front of everyone and people still support this dumbass.
So, prediction:
GOP are gonna go even more mum on this for the next couple of weeks waiting for polling to reflect this interview. If impeach and remove numbers go up to 60+ some MIIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTTT then flip to voting for removal. If the impeach and remove numbers are still under 60 we'll just have a few more people saying they're very concerned and they certainly wouldn't have done that.
GOP are gonna go even more mum on this for the next couple of weeks waiting for polling to reflect this interview. If impeach and remove numbers go up to 60+ some MIIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTTT then flip to voting for removal. If the impeach and remove numbers are still under 60 we'll just have a few more people saying they're very concerned and they certainly wouldn't have done that.
Because the law actually says that's the penalty for refusing a subpoena.
They're cracking and trying to normalize this shit. People cannot fall for this. This is illegal.
Rudy does it in interviews on CNN and Fox. He isn't doing that from the podium of the White House press room. That distinction matters a difference and I should have been clearer in what I meant.
It'll take more than we'll give. It's not going to happen. By the time regular people are ready to act it'll be way too late.
So they weren't able to tell him what to actually say, aka lie about
While I do think this was some intentional 'strategy' I also think it's dumb as shit. Not only is the White House admitting to a crime, but they're implying that there's even more crimes we don't know about. This basically invites the Dems to broaden the impeachment inquiry.
Cool. So there is no line that if crossed, would or have caused sustained massive protest in America?
No line at all?
And capitalist societies have never protested in this way and are in fact incapable of it?
Is that what you are saying?
I just don't understand this...they've literally admitted to committing a crime. A pretty big crime. A crime infinitely more severe than anything Nixon or Clinton did. What more could it possible take for the Republicans to stop this? Or at the very least, for the Democrats in the House to at least Impeach him?
This is just hilarious. Like, I'd almost expect everyone to say fuck it, he said the thing and now we have to go for it. What, now Mulvaney, one of the key guys in this will become a pariah just like that? I'd hope not without a fight on his part. Get subpoenaed and blow this whole thing wide open.
For their Republican base who voted them in to stop supporting said criminal behavior and approving of Trump's actions... Which is STARTING to happen, but not to a degree that puts them at risk.
Think about how big the continental US is. Do you expect people who live in California or New York to just pack up and temporarily move to Washington DC to protest for days on end, missing work and losing their jobs and potentially becoming homeless?
Constituents. And since what they believe is controlled, it's a vicious cycle.
I'm not sure there's an answer here.
Why do you think everyone needs to be in the capital to effectively protest?
Determining Congressional contempt is a political process (requiring a chamber vote) resulting in a political action. The normal method of enforcing contempt is through criminal statute and is at the discretion of the Attorney General to pursue.
Likewise, inherent contempt still requires a floor vote and still requires that contempt to hit a certain threshold (actively blocking an investigation), and it would still be challenged all the way up to the Supreme Court. That takes time.
My point was that we have every bit of information we need to remove this fucker, and it is publicly available to every single person on Earth.
Do you want him to be impeached or do you want the administration to be drawn and quartered by horses in the public square? Because while the latter would be nice and all, it's not politically expedient or effective for the specific cases that we know.
