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Dary

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Oct 27, 2017
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The English Wilderness
I don't think China could ever like an epic story about a ragtag group of bandits, farmers and a tempramental ape-human, led by a wise monk who travel to a far away place to retrieve something important while learning about the wisdom of an ancient religion. That just doesn't sound like it fits their cultural tastes.

The nature of this post was...irrepressible!
 

BR2049

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Oct 28, 2017
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Force Awakens made over $120 milion in China, the excuse over brand recognition doesn't hold. Disney just is misjudging te audience expectations in that R1 and TLJ were light on big and exciting action sequences which is what they want. Look at the other big American movies there and you will see the trend in action. That is the biggest reason behind the monsterous success of Fast and Transformers.

TLJ had few action set pieces and the only sword play was short as hell. That is the reason word of mouth cratered it there.
You're right.
There was more alien horse racing than there was swordplay.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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He's a smuggler, not a ranger.

I think he meets all criteria.

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He is responsible forChewbacca so he's a keeper of his treehouse back on Kashhyyk.

He's a member of a duo which includes Chewbacca, who is a heavily armed and skilled commando on his home planet.

He wanders around the galaxy smuggling drugs and moon pies.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think China could ever like an epic story about a ragtag group of bandits, farmers and a tempramental ape-human, led by a wise monk who travel to a far away place to retrieve something important while learning about the wisdom of an ancient religion. That just doesn't sound like it fits their cultural tastes.
Dragon Ball?

/s Yes, I know.
 

NewDonkStrong

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Nov 7, 2017
1,990
Chinese audiences go to see American movies for big budget spectacle. The Last Jedi was pretty meditative for a blockbuster, it's not a Michael Bay film by any stretch.(or Geostorm)
 

Catsygreen

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Nov 1, 2017
1,362
Is it too early to say that Star Wars is dying? I know, more than a billion at the box office for The Last Jedi, but the spectacular division between the fans, the Asian market that disregards it, and even before the overexploitation with a new trilogy; Disney will drain the series and the next episodes will have to content themselves with laughable scores. Star Wars, even with new ideas (rare) can no longer renew themselves, that's the sad truth.
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,609
Arizona
This shit should just get canned. No trailer and the film is less than 4 months away? Dud
The lack of a trailer is due to Lucasfilm's internal rule of not simultaneously marketing two Star Wars movies. The close proximity between TLJ and Solo makes it a bit odd though. TLJ is still in theatres, and they want all attention to be on it and its merchandise right now. The trailer should drop during the Super Bowl though, and the toys and merch are all ready to drop.
 

Zulith

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Oct 25, 2017
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If Solo does better in China than The Last Jedi or Rogue One because of this, we are in for a whole lot of title butchering in the years ahead. Popcorn shall flow.
 

sphagnum

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Oct 25, 2017
16,058
Honestly didn't know SW isn't big in China. Why?

The originals never got released in theaters in the 70s/80s for obvious reasons, so they have no nostalgia for it as a franchise. The prequels were released over there but the Chinese foreign film market wasn't as big as it is now, so, again, no chance at building up a loyal fan base. Now the sequels have come out and they rely so much on nostalgia that they mean nothing to Chinese audiences. TFA did alright because it was a big new thing, but it's built on callbacks to the OT. RO is a prequel that exists to lead in to IV. TLJ is all about subverting expectations - but what if an audience doesn't have any? Etc.

Also, no idea if this is true or not, but I saw someone on Reddit say that a more accurate translation of the Chinese title is "Knight Errant Solo" which is even more hilariously off base.
 

AdrianG4

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
565
I could gauge the mood of the movie cinema when I watched Rogue One and The Last Jedi in Chinese cinemas and you can tell that the Chinese audience was not particular feeling those films much. Lot's of sighing, looking at phones, a bit of conversation going on between the members.

If you have NO nostalgia for Star Wars, these films are pretty boring since they're not particularly good films either. I thought TLJ was pretty good as a sequel to TFA but, seriously -- this is a very shallow franchise that is hard to market with no nostalgia factor. The Darth Vader ending scene in Rogue One was made only for SW fans to give each other high fives in the cinema. That didn't work here.
 

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I wonder, would Chinese authorities allow use of the term "smuggler" in the name? I mean, that implies crime, and doesn't China have kinda strict moral standards for films?
 

Lowrys

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Oct 25, 2017
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The originals never got released in theaters in the 70s/80s for obvious reasons, so they have no nostalgia for it as a franchise. The prequels were released over there but the Chinese foreign film market wasn't as big as it is now, so, again, no chance at building up a loyal fan base. Now the sequels have come out and they rely so much on nostalgia that they mean nothing to Chinese audiences. TFA did alright because it was a big new thing, but it's built on callbacks to the OT. RO is a prequel that exists to lead in to IV. TLJ is all about subverting expectations - but what if an audience doesn't have any? Etc.

Also, no idea if this is true or not, but I saw someone on Reddit say that a more accurate translation of the Chinese title is "Knight Errant Solo" which is even more hilariously off base.

Original trilogy did not had a wide release or a release at all back then due to cultural and political issues at the time.
Thank you.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
26,620
It's weird how China seems to be the only country that doesn't like Star Wars.
THR had a good piece on it the other day:

Partly explaining the erosion, The Force Awakens benefited from pent up curiosity about the Star Wars brand, while Rogue One generated some local excitement with the meaningful roles and well received performances of its Chinese co-stars, Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen.

Last Jedi had neither of these factors going for it, and it also had the bad luck of opening opposite The Ex-File 3: The Return of the Exes, a local romantic comedy that exploded into a surprise hit ($275 million in three weekends).

As many have pointed out, a large part of Star Wars' struggles in China stem from the fact that the original three films never received a wide release in the country (When Star Wars: A New Hope came out in 1977, China was deeply impoverished and only beginning to recover from the ravages of the Cultural Revolution).

"Because of the complex characters and themes, the prequels, and all of the multi-generational layers that are part of the culture, or cult, of Star Wars, it's been hard for young Chinese filmgoers to get into the franchise," says Li.

The most stirring moment of Force Awakens for many U.S. fans, for example, was the Luke Skywalker reveal at the very end. Without already adoring the original films, most Chinese filmgoers could only wonder: So who is this old guy, suddenly, and why are we supposed to care?

"Star Wars has no legacy here," says Wu. "It will require something fresh to win back the Chinese audience."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...ys-jedi-mind-trick-isnt-working-china-1075177
 

InfiniDragon

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think China could ever like an epic story about a ragtag group of bandits, farmers and a tempramental ape-human, led by a wise monk who travel to a far away place to retrieve something important while learning about the wisdom of an ancient religion. That just doesn't sound like it fits their cultural tastes.

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Marvo Pandoras

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Oct 25, 2017
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USA
I don't think China could ever like an epic story about a ragtag group of bandits, farmers and a tempramental ape-human, led by a wise monk who travel to a far away place to retrieve something important while learning about the wisdom of an ancient religion. That just doesn't sound like it fits their cultural tastes.
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caliph95

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think China could ever like an epic story about a ragtag group of bandits, farmers and a tempramental ape-human, led by a wise monk who travel to a far away place to retrieve something important while learning about the wisdom of an ancient religion. That just doesn't sound like it fits their cultural tastes.
oh you
 

mutantmagnet

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Oct 28, 2017
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I don't think China could ever like an epic story about a ragtag group of bandits, farmers and a tempramental ape-human, led by a wise monk who travel to a far away place to retrieve something important while learning about the wisdom of an ancient religion. That just doesn't sound like it fits their cultural tastes.



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Mockerre

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Oct 30, 2017
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China subverted Disney's expectations, it seems.

(is it still ok to post JF gifs?)
 

Inuhanyou

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Oct 25, 2017
14,214
New Jersey
well SW does rely on brand name recognition and iconic significance a hell of a lot to carry itself.

For me in particular i had only watched the first* movie in high school and never watched the rest cause i largely had never been interested in SW.

but even then, i knew through everything else what Star wars actually was at the most basic level and its cultural significance for a lot of people just because of its place from parodies to commercials to word of mouth to pretty much everything in between
 

firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
24,202
Other definitions for "游侠" seem to be:
Paladin
Knight-Errant
Wandering-Hero
Chivalrous-Person
 

Ahasverus

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Oct 27, 2017
4,599
Colombia
I don't think China could ever like an epic story about a ragtag group of bandits, farmers and a tempramental ape-human, led by a wise monk who travel to a far away place to retrieve something important while learning about the wisdom of an ancient religion. That just doesn't sound like it fits their cultural tastes.
Goddamn. 10/10 post.
 

Timbuktu

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think Star Wars is that universal around the world, it's just that China is the only place like that big enough for Disney to care about.