https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/world/asia/Li-Wenliang-coronavirus.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
RIP Dr. Li.
Sounds like the first episode of Chernobyl-someone trying to warn everyone, but the state worries about the spread of information.
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RIP Dr. Li.
Sounds like the first episode of Chernobyl-someone trying to warn everyone, but the state worries about the spread of information.
And the CPC is busy deleting everything at the same time from what I heard
RIP, If they had listened & acted then the virus may have not spread as badly.
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I just read about him a couple days ago too. damn.
RIP Doctor, you deserved so much better from your own government.
Reaction in Chinese social media has been remarkably harsh on the CCP. Deservedly so.
RIP Doctor, you deserved so much better from your own government.
Reaction in Chinese social media has been remarkably harsh on the CCP. Deservedly so.
The bolded are so very typical of the CCP though blargh.
the chinese users had their creative ways to come up with alternative terms to discuss things of 'sensitive' nature.
I'm not sure that China openly talking about his death is better optics, bro.
But it's China...
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I was so confused and thought this was about a chinese doctor who knockoff show. But RIP to the poor guy
You'd like to think this would lead to actual change but I'd imagine this will just end with the government tightening their grip further.
This is how the Chinese regime will eventually, probably many years from now, end up losing control. Squeezing too hard.
Its disgusting that China censured this doctor for trying to warn people before an epidemic occurred. May he rest in peace.
May he rest in peace. It is so frustrating that China chose to protect their public image and censor this instead of warning the world about it. Arrogance and selfishnesses at its peak. So frustrating.
He was only 34, prime of his life and is the only young adult fatality to happen under the virus.
It's obviously foul play, perhaps by local government given how even the CCP is outraged for how negligent they've been in handling the outbreak.
If they're not going to be open about an autopsy then CCP is also culpable.
It's obviously foul play, perhaps by local government given how even the CCP is outraged for how negligent they've been in handling the outbreak.
If they're not going to be open about an autopsy then CCP is also culpable.
Everything about how China handled this thing is insane and fucked up. If anything, I would have expected them to overreact right away and call for a quarantine much sooner. The SARS panic is still in living memory there, after all.
I wonder when the doctor was infected, precisely. As far as I know, it wasn't clear right away that the virus could be spread over the eyes as well, so I assume the doctor might have been one of the earliest cases infected with it. Perhaps he was held up by the police and couldn't get treatment in time.
I wonder when the doctor was infected, precisely. As far as I know, it wasn't clear right away that the virus could be spread over the eyes as well, so I assume the doctor might have been one of the earliest cases infected with it. Perhaps he was held up by the police and couldn't get treatment in time.
Well when it threatens a mini revolution in the people and Chinese industry faces tough months ahead maybe, just maybe, next time they will act differently. We can only hope. This makes China look terrible to the world the longer this goes on for and escalates worldwide.
This man was a hero. I hope he is remembered.
As for censorship in China, I just don't know how long they can get away with it. In my city there's thousands upon thousands of Chinese students experiencing western culture and while I know there is a reach outside the country in terms of secret police or whatever, it's literally impossible to keep the news from these people outside of China, and thus it all finding its way back to family members and friends back home eventually. You can only censor so much. Somethings gotta give in China.
Ehh, he died conveniently after a few days of putting officials on blast in the New York Times
20% chance he died after a valiant attempt to save his life by medical staff
80% between a vindictive mid level official having him outright murdered or let him die.
20% chance he died after a valiant attempt to save his life by medical staff
80% between a vindictive mid level official having him outright murdered or let him die.
How many non-immunocompromised people is this virus kiking? I thought deaths were among the old and infirm already.
Why are authoritarian governments always so dumb?
All they had to do was shift the blame to the specific health officials who tried to silence him, claiming they were wrong and acting without party/government approval.
That would reenforce the image that they actually care about doing what's right and strengthen their image of efficiency and being against corruption .
But no, they had to attack the one man who was actually in the trenches fighting and literally died while trying to save lives.
It's mind boggling and a blessing in disguise, I guess, that they are this incompetent at PR.
That's not how China rolls. A friend of mine referred to China as the "Bridezilla" of nations and I darn near had an epiphany. It is so on point. China is OBSESSED with appearances. The government's reaction to bad news is that of a toddler getting a toy taken away. FFS, Xi threw a fit when someone compared him to Winnie the Pooh. . . one of the most universally beloved characters in media history. I'd love to be Pooh; I'm usually compared to far nastier things. Transparent fish have thicker skins than China.
As a result the whole gorram country is deliberately structured to sustain the fairyland. This is an oversimplification so I know I'm leaving myself open to Chinabot apologists accusing me of misunderstanding or mis-portraying the Great Fearless Country, but they can eat shit. Basically, low-level government workers (inspectors, supervisors, etc.) are essentially held responsible for whatever or whomever they're supposed to oversee. If not officially, the courts have no issues with patsies. So let's say you're an inspector for water quality. If your boss's boss takes a bribe to have toxic waste dumped into reservoir and thousands die, either you or someone you work with completely unconnected to the crime (like the reservoir maintenance folks who had no say in the matter or may have even protested at risk of getting arrested) will be accused, tried, found guilty, and sent to prison or even executed. So either you're scared to death for your own skin, or you can't bear the guilt of ruining a bunch of innocent people. And it's not like diligently reporting problems will get the government to give a rat's ass about whatever you're trying to report, in fact it'll get you punished and censored, so why even try? You either sell your soul and become a willing part of the machine, or you go to work stoned out of your mind while you wait for doom. This doctor was nothing less than heroic, but the whole system is so crazy that there can never be enough altruists to make a difference. They've succeeded in creating a very, very high threshold where someone can be compelled to action.
So of course the higher-ups never want to hear any bad news, because as often as not they knowingly cause it and their superiors don't want to hear it. The low-level guys have no incentive (outside of pure morality, which ain't enough for most people) to go public on stuff that they're very likely to be punished for. And since the virus threatened to disrupt the Chinese New Year, that's a lot of people making a lot of money by burying the bad news.
There was no way China's response was going to be anything other than the tragically comical shitfest of incompetence we all now have to deal with. Most of the Chinese acted out of completely logical self-preservation. What's insane is the government's institutionalization of delusion that makes pretending a pandemic doesn't exist a logical decision. Send your hugs and kisses to Bridezilla the Pooh.
So many aspects of the way this played out are shitty that it's hard to think of what the worst part of this story is.
RIP to the guy, he was a hero and its such a shame to think of how much better off we might be right now if this had been taken seriously when he started reporting it.
RIP to the guy, he was a hero and its such a shame to think of how much better off we might be right now if this had been taken seriously when he started reporting it.
he probably had a compromised immune system from being massively overworked and stressed.
The virus can cause pneumonia which can kill anybody if, for example the hospitals are overloaded and can't treat you in time
But yes it could also be the CCP murdered him like they do
Or the Chinese government could've acknowledged that this is a world-wide issue and be more open and cooperative about dealing with it instead of hiding it underneath the rug? It's not really about pointing the blame or passing the blame here but more to do with recognising that there's a problem that affects EVERY single nation and therefore address it accordingly and act on preventing further damage.
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