Chinese scientists discussed weaponising SARS coronaviruses in 2015: Report
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Oh great I can't wait for the call from my [family member] when they hear about this on Joe Rogan
This sort of thing is discussed and workshopped all the time in governments, in the same way that the US has nuclear attack and/or invasion plans written up for probably every single country in the world. I'm sure there's someone in the US who wrote a paper on the potential biological warfare applications of SARS-like viruses in the last decade.
Literally my first thoughts were: Between Gates and this, Qanon and co. (i.e. right wingers esp. politicians) are going to exploit these for a new surge of conspiracy propagation.
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I know, right? Last year, my parents were absolutely convinced this virus was engineered by the Chinese government and had been accidentally released. I spent so much time convincing them that it was a bullshit conspiracy theory and no government would engineer a virus like this. Feel like an absolute idiot now.
I’m sure many militaries have these sort of plans, though obviously this is going to fuel a lot of conspiracy theories.
You’re still not an idiot, since this doesn’t prove anything.
Just because they discussed this, I doubt the outbreak was intentional. They got hit hardest with the initial wave, plus the entire world blames them for it, so I don't see what benefit they would've had in releasing it to the world.
Yup.Weaponising disease isn’t a new idea folks. We are the world’s biggest arms dealer, guaranteed you have similar ideas that were worked on in US soil
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Really? Thousands of people are dying in my country every day. I think this should be investigated, and if the CCP is responsible, the other nations should take strong action against it. What has happened is a crime against humanity. I'm not interested in whataboutism.
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It does not. That's true. But I do believe there should be an international investigation.
For sure! Not that it certainly happened, but the possiblity is now not zero. That's honestly disturbing. Are we just a lab accident away from extinction?
For sure. But it also should fuel legitimate scrutiny. It's a political and biological crisis.
By the way, is there any sort of global agreement/pact when it comes to using bioweapons as part of open and/or covert warfare?
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Yes. Geneva Convention and Biological Weapons Convention.
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Biological Weapons Convention - Wikipedia
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There is no credible indication that this is what happened, while there is a credible indication where it did come from: Bats, like every other time this happened. It is just that a country hit by previous pandemics of this kind is more likely to investigate them.
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The news report does mention the possibility of this being an accidental release of the virus (assuming the virus was indeed lab created, of which we have no direct evidence, except this paper that discusses the possibility of engineering such a virus).
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There's the Biological Weapons Convention of 1972, which prohibits development, production, acquisition, transfer, stockpiling and use of biological weapons. 183 nations are a party to it, including China and USA. Among the few non-signatories, the most notable is Israel.
Technically yes. But they're more like guidelines. That are broken daily.
On that topic, I'd say we have a lack of enforcement.
Another thing to remember that as much as people hope that there is no bioweapon attack, it is not uncommon for countries to pursue research into them to be able to build counter-measures.
I think the anxiety is when these projects are uncovered, how far were they pursued from simply being a product of a state's military think tank/tanks as one of multiple warfare strategies, regardless of how despicable they can be, to actually researching a viable product.
I think the anxiety is when these projects are uncovered, how far were they pursued from simply being a product of a state's military think tank/tanks as one of multiple warfare strategies, regardless of how despicable they can be, to actually researching a viable product.
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Thank you kindly.
This is why misinformation spreads.
Scientists and governments discuss con pets all the time. The US has multiple research labs specifically tasked with conceptualizing, studying, and understanding current and future biological threats. It is a basic aspect of contingency planning and threat assessment.
Regardless of the validity of this story, China is Australias largest trading partner and our government and now the media as well, is going out of its way to piss off China every chance they get. Were going to be a poor country soon. I have no faith in our leaders to diversify our economy once we stop trading iron ore to the Chinese. Were basically screwed.
Many military scientists discuss these things almost certainly, but the coincidence that Chinese scientists discussed a very similar virus a few years before an outbreak that started in China is pretty rough.
I do think a formal investigation is warranted by a neutral 3rd party, at this point, but I'm quite doubtful China would allow it / all evidence wouldn't be destroyed by now any way.
My hunch is that China did not engineer this virus, nor did they release it (intentionally or otherwise). But man, can't fault folks for bringing the heat on China given this (at best) unfortunate coincidence. I mainly fear for increased retaliation against folks that have nothing to do with this e.g. American citizens of Asian heritage.
I do think a formal investigation is warranted by a neutral 3rd party, at this point, but I'm quite doubtful China would allow it / all evidence wouldn't be destroyed by now any way.
My hunch is that China did not engineer this virus, nor did they release it (intentionally or otherwise). But man, can't fault folks for bringing the heat on China given this (at best) unfortunate coincidence. I mainly fear for increased retaliation against folks that have nothing to do with this e.g. American citizens of Asian heritage.
I’m sure that’s true and that that’s a normal thing that military scientists discuss in many countries but I don’t think you should be using that source
Honestly it looks more believable than "random bat bit a dude"
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Except this paper isn't about discussing biological threats. It's about engineering the coronavirus to change it into a biological weapon. How the hell is this a "basic aspect of contingency planning and threat assessment?"
The thought did cross my mind but I dismissed it because if they were actually developing it then surely they would have a vaccine formula for it of some form?
God, this just doesn't end. All I can say is my sympathies for the asian people living in the west and the rest of the world. Idiots will for sure use this to be racist.
God, this just doesn't end. All I can say is my sympathies for the asian people living in the west and the rest of the world. Idiots will for sure use this to be racist.
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I am not Australian so I don't know that. I will say that this news has found its way to a lot of news sites online, including some I consider to be reputable.
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Oh my god. I didn't even think of that. Fuck. I seriously hope this is some sort of bullshit hoax. Because if it isn't, and this news spreads to the west, things are only going to get worse for Asians.
Yeah. It is really weird for China to be discussing a potential SARS pandemic in 2015. We all know SARS-2 started in 2019 and there was absolutely no prior similar virus named SARS-1 they could be talking about.
This is an important bit:
At a time when hate crimes against asians are spiking, it behooves all of us to be wary how these bits of information are disseminated because without a broader context of strategies that constitutes warfare preparation for many countries across the world, speculation based on biased extrapolation, which is what Qanon & co. excels at, can lead to greater and/or more frequent hate crimes.
I’m sorry, but this was very irresponsible. You posted an article from a right-wing rag, jumped to huge conclusions, didn’t consider the ramifications of what you’re doing, and now we get to watch posters become right-wing conspiracy theorists in real time.
There's been no evidence that COVID19 is engineered, to my understanding it seems quite natural.
Yea it's a news corp one.
And yet here we are with a article that sources the australian multiple times. A newspaper that according to Wikipedia repeatedly used far right dog whistles and denies climate change.
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I did link one of them. The others are below-
Chinese Scientists Discussed Weaponising Coronavirus In 2015: Report
A document written by Chinese scientists and health officials before pandemic in 2015 states that SARS coronaviruses were a "new era of genetic weapons" that could be "artificially manipulated into an emerging human disease virus.
www.ndtv.com
China probed weaponising coronaviruses in 2015: Reports
Chinese scientists described SARS coronaviruses — of which COVID is one example — as presenting a “new era of genetic weapons".
indianexpress.com
These are Indian news sites so you may not be aware of them. I have also reported the thread so mods can close it if this news isn't reliable.
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