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Clefargle

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's not just about sexual predators though.

Anyone with differing views, especially political, is completely disregarded.

That is the literal definition of bigot.

Which is ironic, because that's the word people love to use, especially here, to describe the people they disregard. I see this every single day.
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Seriously though, you don't see a difference between discriminating against people for their immutable qualities like sex or race, and discriminating against people for the positions they hold? Are you actually serious and have you actually thought this through. The real Bigots out there are still a problem in society not these strawmen "bigots" you've made people that disregard hatemongers out to be.
 

SaveWeyard

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,540
Based on your writing, your issue are those who don't adress the problems enough, not those who are not willing to ackknowledge the problem and do everything to make the problem worse.
Nah, Conservatism is an idiotic ideology that has produced nothing of worth, ever, and anyone who identifies as Conservative can eat shit for all I care. They have nothing to contribute. That doesn't get people who acknowledge the problem but don't put forth solutions for the underlying problems off the hook in my eyes, though.
No, the problem and cause are clear. The scientific consensus that the current climate change is happening and it's due to human activity. The only part without consensus is the implementation. But one side won't even acknowledge your first two points. You should read "the Republican war on science" because this "debate" has been settled in the scientific community for decades and republicans are intentionally trying to stop meaningful climate change legislation and sow disinformation and fake counter-studies. For decades
"Due to human activity" is like the most surface level analysis of anthropogenic climate change. Understanding why human activity led to this, what the conditions are that allows this to continue, what needs to change so that those conditions don't lead to this problem, etc. Science will help with some of those answers, but ultimately political and social analysis and value judgments about how society should be set up will be key to changing anything. Diagnosis and implementation, as you said, which is what my post was focused on.
 

Deleted member 49132

User requested account closure
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Seriously though, you don't see a difference between discriminating against people for their immutable qualities like sex or race, and discriminating against people for the positions they hold? Are you actually serious and have you actually thought this through. The real Bigots out there are still a problem in society not these strawmen "bigots" you've made people that disregard hatemongers out to be.
So, why was Colin Moriarty (or any and all discussion regarding Colin Moriarty) banned from this site again?
 

Clefargle

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
14,120
Limburg
Nah, Conservatism is an idiotic ideology that has produced nothing of worth, ever, and anyone who identifies as Conservative can eat shit for all I care. They have nothing to contribute. That doesn't get people who acknowledge the problem but don't put forth solutions for the underlying problems off the hook in my eyes, though.

"Due to human activity" is like the most surface level analysis of anthropogenic climate change. Understanding why human activity led to this, what the conditions are that allows this to continue, what needs to change so that those conditions don't lead to this problem, etc. Science will help with some of those answers, but ultimately political and social analysis and value judgments about how society should be set up will be key to changing anything. Diagnosis and implementation, as you said, which is what my post was focused on.

I would use a more nuanced term if the republicans would agree that it's due to human activity. But they don't even accept that basic premise. Your post mentioned three things, only one of which republicans want to discuss. We cannot move on until they accept anthropogenic climate change.
 

iapetus

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Oct 26, 2017
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There is nothing wrong with presenting both sides of a discussion where there are two commonly held views.

The problem is with giving them equal credence when that isn't merited.

Sometimes issues really do come down to having different priorities and different views about how things should be done. I find this to be the case even in some cases where I have very strong personal beliefs about the issues.

Very frequently, though, it comes down to one side making some degree of sense, and the other side being abject bullshit.

I'm all for both sides being presented if both sides are treated equally - that is, with rigorous fact-checking that means if one side happens to rely on gross misrepresentation of indisputable facts to make its point, it gets stomped on hard.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
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Dec 24, 2017
17,646
Jesus Christ. What part of race and sex is not a debatable issue do you not understand?

It's so easy for you to fall back on these issues to make everyone out as evil. If you hate any of those groups there is no argument to fact that will change your mind. We know this. Stop using it as a crutch.

You do realize that your taking the red meat on these arguments just as the racists and the homophobes are as well, right?

You've taken a discussion about debating policy issues into one about basic human rights. Which then lowers the debate to the lowest common denominator and the initial discussion can never take place. Which is the whole entire purpose of those who are trying to distract you.

I don't want to say that you are part of the problem, but dam, you are part of the problem.
Damn dude. Facts: until we can get past those core "lowest common denominator" issues nothing they have to say is worth a damn, and it is astounding you would try to make the comparison that the people fighting those with such horrendous values are in any way on the same level who hold them.

I still would like an answer to my question, though.
How would you explain to an LGBT person, a Black person, or a Mexican immigrant that they should listen to Republicans' side?
It should be easy, right?
 

Bramblebutt

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Jan 11, 2018
1,858
Imagine not believing both of those things are true.

Bro, THQN did an AMA on a white nationalist website, what, a month ago? And people here are already trying to ignore it ever happened, despite the company never doing anything to address what they did.

If gaming has a cancel culture, I'd like to know what the fuck we're cancelling.
 

Clefargle

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Oct 25, 2017
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So, why was Colin Moriarty (or any and all discussion regarding Colin Moriarty) banned from this site again?

sweetnicole said:
It is the position of the staff that we are not interested in providing a platform for Colin Moriarty. Please do not create threads about his content.

A simple search showed that it was implemented as part of a deplatforming. Which we know can be effective.
 
Jan 10, 2018
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Nah, Conservatism is an idiotic ideology that has produced nothing of worth, ever, and anyone who identifies as Conservative can eat shit for all I care. They have nothing to contribute. That doesn't get people who acknowledge the problem but don't put forth solutions for the underlying problems off the hook in my eyes, though.

"Due to human activity" is like the most surface level analysis of anthropogenic climate change. Understanding why human activity led to this, what the conditions are that allows this to continue, what needs to change so that those conditions don't lead to this problem, etc. Science will help with some of those answers, but ultimately political and social analysis and value judgments about how society should be set up will be key to changing anything. Diagnosis and implementation, as you said, which is what my post was focused on.

The left, since its birth, was able to ackknowledge to a certain extent what the problems are and, also to a certain extent, able to notice they are not doing enough. Which consistently lead to infighting and the rise of fascism.

And I'm very tired of that.
 

SaveWeyard

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Oct 25, 2017
1,540
I would use a more nuanced term if the republicans would agree that it's due to human activity. But they don't even accept that basic premise. Your post mentioned three things, only one of which republicans want to discuss. We cannot move on until they accept anthropogenic climate change.
What would be accomplished from conservatives acknowledging it, though? Its literally a part of the ideology to not do anything.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I mean if it actually lays out just plain facts regardless of whether one side actually has any, then sure. But if it's just basic debate shit where everyone can say whatever the fuck they want then you can literally turn on any major news channel and get that 24/7.
 

bricewgilbert

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
868
WA, USA
Yeah what the fuck? Facts are facts. These kinds of imbecilic statements are a true testament to the right's ability to make people consider all truth as relative. I'm not going to blame them because I know they're horrible people - that's just their nature - but if you as a rational person allow yourself to be pulled into this thinking the blame is solely on you.

"Facts are simply things to supplement our ideological views."

What? No they aren't. If a brick comes flying toward your head it doesn't care if your ideology is that it doesn't actually exist. Facts are facts.

These replies seem like a real misreading. You can't derive morals and political opinions solely from facts and even if you managed to most people don't. Not only that, but constantly using facts as a direct weapon doesn't work as the original post stated. We all have chosen the facts that help our own personal cases to some degree. Yes there are worldviews out there that are more consistent and are propped up well by facts, but every single person on this planet believes they hold that rational worldview. A group of people with different worldviews taking the stage and laying out all the facts which results in everyone having been convinced by the most reasoned thinker who provided the best graphs and data is not a real thing no matter how much some Liberals want it to be. That isn't to say reasoned argument or facts are irrelevant. They just have to a part of a complete story.
 

SaveWeyard

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Oct 25, 2017
1,540
The left, since its birth, was able to ackknowledge to a certain extent what the problems are and, also to a certain extent, able to notice they are not doing enough. Which consistently lead to infighting and the rise of fascism.

And I'm very tired of that.
Fascism rises because Liberalism would rather be bedfellows with that than Socialism.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I knew about that.

Cmon, you know what I'm asking here.

Why was he deplatformed.

just a heads up, the Socratic method only works if you're smart

individual websites have the freedom to hold public figures accountable even if the internet at large doesn't - that's the beauty of there being many different websites online

i notice that we've shifted from talking about "the gaming community" to "this one website that is notably different from the rest of the gaming community"

I'm pretty sure it's because of tweets like this one:

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Dude is clearly a misogynist troll and is worthy of deplatforming within the gaming community

what a valuable contribution to the marketplace of ideas! clearly we need to waste all of our time and energy debating the merits of acting like a misogynistic dumbass online, or else we're being close-minded

maybe we can all learn from each other and meet in the middle to decide that women are "kind of okay, i guess"?
 

Deleted member 49132

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Oct 28, 2018
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I'm pretty sure it's because of tweets like this one:

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Dude is clearly a misogynist troll and is worthy of deplatforming within the gaming community
If a joke like that is reason enough to completely disregard someone and everything they do, aka "cancel" them, and label them a "misogynist"


....that's fucking absurd.

And it perfectly proves the point I've been trying to make here
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If a joke like that is reason enough to completely disregard someone and everything they do, aka "cancel" them, and label them a "misogynist"


....that's fucking absurd.

And it perfectly proves the point I've been trying to make here

you're not the one who gets to decide if your point is being made

he was banned because he has a history of saying stupid shit devoid of any real merit that derails any potential for interesting discussions

remember kids, if you don't listen to the troll then you're just as bad as they are!
 

SaveWeyard

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,540
Once they acknowledge that it's happeneing, then we can have the conversation about how to address the underlying causes that isn't stymied by ignorance, apathy, and greed.
Do you really think the GOP will ever be reasonable about this? The fact that they are an impediment speaks to the failure of the American political system. And the other failure is that the other side doesn't actually want to implement the structural changes that would be needed to confront the problem.
 

Clefargle

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Oct 25, 2017
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If a joke like that is reason enough to completely disregard someone and everything they do, aka "cancel" them, and label them a "misogynist"


....that's fucking absurd.

And it perfectly proves the point I've been trying to make here

Your point is that it's equivalent to actual bigotry base on someone's race or sex? A video game forum deplatforming a video game personality because he's a misogynist is equal to actual bigotry in the real world?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Oh they know. Convenient principles.

THQ Nordic didn't even have to apologize for hosting an advertising campaign on a website best known for hosting child abuse content which then a month later organized a devastating terrorist attack

brands and influencers rarely if ever face any repercussions for even the most wildly inadvisable wrongdoings

some online leftists writing a few thinkpieces hardly constitutes any material consequences
 

Bramblebutt

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Jan 11, 2018
1,858
If a joke like that is reason enough to completely disregard someone and everything they do, aka "cancel" them, and label them a "misogynist"


....that's fucking absurd.

And it perfectly proves the point I've been trying to make here

He was against the Berkeley protests and broadly accused the students and teachers protesting people like Milo Yiannopoulos, Steve Bannon, Ann Coulter, Pamela Geller, David Horowitz, and Erik Prince speaking on their campus of being the *real* fascists.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,700
Siloam Springs
There's nothing digestible about the right's beliefs regarding healthcare.

This will be a mistake. Any of those websites that claim they're "non-biased" still leaving me reading the left leaning stuff. The right leaning stuff comes across as a joke or even a parody, because I think, "how can anyone think that way?" (but those things are not parodies or jokes, they're deathly dangerous) then I try to have a conversation about politics or life outside of religion with a right leaning person and I'm quickly regretting my decision to talk to them on that level.
 

Clefargle

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Oct 25, 2017
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Do you really think the GOP will ever be reasonable about this? The fact that they are an impediment speaks to the failure of the American political system. And the other failure is that the other side doesn't actually want to implement the structural changes that would be needed to confront the problem.

Wrong:

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Source

So clearly more democrats (59%) strongly support the GND compared with republicans (15%). 92% of Dems "somewhat support" the GND while Republicans are at 49%.
 

Deleted member 49132

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Your point is that it's equivalent to actual bigotry base on someone's race or sex? A video game forum deplatforming a video game personality because he's a misogynist is equal to actual bigotry in the real world?
My point is that this website is hypocritical to the idea of bigotry.

People here are so quick to label someone a bigot, yet they're also just as quick to completely shut out discussion from individuals who deviate from the common ideology and leanings of this echochamber.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,700
Siloam Springs
I'm pretty sure it's because of tweets like this one:

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Dude is clearly a misogynist troll and is worthy of deplatforming within the gaming community

The avatar he uses is a the modern day representation of people that are far-right leaning, even though they may pretend and try to fool otherwise.

No one is treading on them, it is the equivalent of the British loyalists using the same picture to say the colonists were treading on them (I doubt it happened, but in today's age it would most likely happen, oh it is happening).
 

Deleted member 31817

Nov 7, 2017
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My point is that this website is hypocritical to the idea of bigotry.

People here are so quick to label someone a bigot, yet they're also just as quick to completely shut out discussion from individuals who deviate from the common ideology and leanings of this echochamber.
It took Moriarty and Boogie actual years of being very public idiots to be "completely shut out".
 

Deleted member 31817

Nov 7, 2017
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I dont get the insistence of making Era some safe haven of unrestricted posts. You can go to reddit, /v/, IGN or NewGaf for that and see how shitty it is especially for the LGBTQ community etc.

I don't think it's that crazy of an idea that there exists a single gaming forum that doesn't allow far right shitposting.
 

Clefargle

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Oct 25, 2017
14,120
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My point is that this website is hypocritical to the idea of bigotry.

People here are so quick to label someone a bigot, yet they're also just as quick to completely shut out discussion from individuals who deviate from the common ideology and leanings of this echochamber.
When the "deviation in ideology" is just your grandpappy's solutions with a not-so-fresh coat of paint for the millionth time, it becomes useful to remove bad faith actors from the conversation. Do you think "build the wall" is an opinion worth hearing more about? We know it's just base xenophobia/racism and that there ISNT a surplus of immigrants flooding across the southern border. So any time someone starts off by lying to me, I tend to take them less seriously. If conservatives were actually interested in new ideas we could talk, but all they want is a return to the 50's demographics
 

Clefargle

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Oct 25, 2017
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See, this is what I'm talking about. It isn't, GND or denial of climate change. Those aren't the only options, and as someone who generally favors the GND, I can still disagree about how effective it would be in combating the problem. There's no "right" answer to this.

You're missing the fucking point, 35% of conservatives oppose the GND. Only 7% of Dems oppose it. Your "point" that the Dems are part of the problem by not wanting to enact meaningful climate change legislation is flat out wrong.
 

SaveWeyard

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,540
You're missing the fucking point, 35% of conservatives oppose the GND. Only 7% of Dems oppose it. Your "point" that the Dems are part of the problem by not wanting to enact meaningful climate change legislation is flat out wrong.
I don't think the GND is meaningful change. Its a welcomed policy proposal within the confines of our current political system.
 

UF_C

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Oct 25, 2017
3,346
Damn dude. Facts: until we can get past those core "lowest common denominator" issues nothing they have to say is worth a damn, and it is astounding you would try to make the comparison that the people fighting those with such horrendous values are in any way on the same level who hold them.

I still would like an answer to my question, though.

It should be easy, right?
It's because we won't ever get past these "core values" because they are intentionally put out there to distract you from actually engaging on the real issues.

You aren't ever going to change a bigots mind. But there are a whole hell of a lot of people out there who aren't bigots but would still like to engage in political discussions.

But that's no longer allowed because you will just shout them down as enablers and racists and bigots themselves.

And that's the point. You are complicit.