Presumably, if the pitch in the video is still the same pitch being used now, he's going to be talking to politicians directly and using their answers. So assuming best intentions and implementation were going to see viewpoints from people like AOC that are more far left.
I mean it will. Either he fails or succeeds... So... Time will tell. Even if he fails it's not like any major damage is done. Oh no, people have access to more info.
My point is it will not succeed, and that the platform itself will likely do actual harm by platforming and perpetuating hateful ideals.
That seems even worse though. I can hear a politician talk any old time.
Yeah seriously. There's no good that comes from letting Republicans give their talking points and presenting it as simple information to compare to Democrat platforms. The "we give you both sides of the info and you decide what's best" approach to the Republicans here is terrible.
I've seen this sooo many times but the creepiness is just absolutely gobsmacking. It never becomes not shocking. It's like a gross creepy villain guy from a bad comedy movie
The idea is certainly a yike, if he's yikes is a decision individuals need to make for themselves.
This site will not work. It's patronizing to minorities. His privilege is blinding him.
You're complaining about giving Republicans a platform while they have a President in office and run the Senate. They're already legitimized and platformed. And they always will be as long as we continue to operate in a two party system anyways.
The website isn't "hey what do y'all Republicans like?" It's more like "This is what Republicans believe on this particular topic". Hopefully things like trans right, civil rights, immigration, etc will all be included in the topics. And also it seems like it won't just be the Republican view vs the Democratic but rather from a range of different politicians that may or may not agree even within the same party.
Firstly I'm not "complaining", and wording it that way is very patronizing. I'm not just whining about something that's hurt my feelings, I'm talking from experience of having tried my hardest to actively engage with people who harbour hateful ideals in as diplomatic way as possible.
The ONLY way I've ever got through to a right-wing bigot is to spend an exorbitant amount of time asking THEM questions and talking about THEIR fears and managing to get them to relate to me as an LGBT person... and finally seeing how certain opinions can harm me, which allowed them to see me as a person, like them, and have some empathy.
And that took A LOT of effort, for me to actually spend time coddling a bigot who was doing nothing but spew hate at me. It took hours, of non-stop, incredibly careful discussion where I had to tip-toe around being too critical of their hate while stomaching a constant barrage of bile.
And that was on a SINGLE point.
And that was the ONLY way it worked. Using facts and citations ALWAYS gets called fake news now. The only time you can use logic, citations, and facts is on centrists playing "both sides", and you sure better be fucking air tight so they can't find a SINGLE fucking point to cling to to discredit your entire argument.
People ITT saying "we need to talk" are ignoring the fact WE HAVE TRIED THIS. We didn't go from 0 to "DEPLATFORM" in an instant, we tried... our parents tried... their parents tried... individuals try until they just can't try any more because it becomes clear you cannot educate a person out of their hate on an individual levle unless you give your entire fucking soul to every single point that is raised... and how does a human being, especially a minority under the constant barrage of hate, have the capacity for that in any reasonable way?
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Chris Evans Slammed for Praising Botham Jean's Brother for Forgiving and Hugging Amber Guyger
Brandt Jean himself has been criticized by a lot of people for forgiving the white cop who killed his 26-year-old brother in his own apartment in early last month.www.aceshowbiz.com
And this is the point black folk were raising earlier, and I fully understand why.
We're all human yes, and all hate comes from a broken place, but at a certain point the hate we spew is our responsibility and it should be met with condemnation UNTIL that person has PROVEN change...not because they're crying as justice is served. And even then, why should the victims ever consider doing this?
Chris might have good intentions at heart, but what he's doing is coming from a position of privilege that doesn't grasp just how dangerous many of these "opinions" and views are because he has not lived through the harm they cause. He will never feel that, he will never truly understand it, and his calls for conversation feel patronizing and blind to how giving a platform to certain ideals perpetuate real harm.
It's about a website where you can easily find what people within each party believe about a certain subject. It's conveniently disseminating information so the end user can begin their research and come to their own conclusions, thus being a more informed voter.
You are misinformed if you think there's no effects from celebrities, particularly ones who seem politically outspoken to their followers like Chris, giving photos and positive exchanges to bad people and bad political views. It matters and it does boost whoever they choose to show themselves with. And that's without even addressing the lack of principles being upheld by giving them such a chance to spin their bigotry on a both sides website promoted by a celebrity.
It's a bit pointless though in an age where individual websites get next to no influence compared to social media, YouTube, etc. It seems like a vanity project for Evans and not much else.
LGBT+, Civil rights, etc, are all very cut and dry topics. What the Republicans believe with these is easy enough. But what about economics? Different aspects of foreign policy? Trade? Energy? Infrastructure?
I've explained why I believe this site will do active harm. There is nothing to be gained from trying to speak with people who are entrenched in harmful right-wing views unless you devote your heart and fucking soul to appeasing them first and hoping they can make a connection via empathy, and those who are not entrenched do not need a site like this.
Well I'm entrenched and I want a site like this. Because if it works I will be able to step into the booth with a bit more confidence in my vote with the knowledge gained.
The site is not necessary... we've all managed to inform ourselves of the issues it will cover without it. And we continue to learn via discussion and research, this is by no means impossible.
Are you sure about that? Who's this we?
Most of them weren't closeted you didn't see them because you didn't care
Yes, I'm sure it's possible for people to inform themselves perfectly well of all of these issues, right now, without the site.
a "nice liberal white boy" like him platforming bullshit out of sheer naivete could absolutely do damage
I see more potential here to help normalize hate, which is my issue.
Unless he's specifically giving a platform to policies architected by the far right then I fail to see how some photographic PR can be read as a bad thing 🤷♀️.
We weren't talking about the photo.
This is what I think
No one here needs to make an excuse for Chris Evans or his website. We'll judge it when it comes out and continue going about our normal business either way. What else should we be doing? Talking a bunch of trash based on nothing?
Seriously.
Thank you Mr.Future for your insight in judging things we don't know a thing about it.
