"Maybe it was hubris. For me to stand up on the stage and say the things that I said, I'm not sure I touched anybody," he offers, and he gets why people were put off. "Religion has been oppressive as fuck for a long time," he says as we walk over a tiny footbridge, the words spilling out in an emotional tidal wave. "I didn't know that I would kind of become the face of religion when really I'm not a religious person. I think there's a distinction between being religious—adhering to the customs created by man, oftentimes appropriating the awe reserved for who I believe is a very real God—and using it to control people, to take money from people, to abuse children, to steal land, to justify hatred. Whatever it is. The evil that's in the heart of every single man has glommed on to the back of religion and come along for the ride."
Say what you will about Pratt, but these are big ideas he's openly wrestling with, and it's something I can't imagine another celebrity in his shoes saying. The situation wasn't helped by Pratt's alleged association with the celebrity church Hillsong, whose official policies contain what can generously be called non-LGBTQ-affirming statements. After Pratt casually talked about his faith with Stephen Colbert in 2019, the actor Elliot Page called him out.
Pratt issued a statement at the time: "It has recently been suggested that I belong to a church which 'hates a certain group of people' and is 'infamously anti-LGBTQ.' Nothing could be further from the truth. I am a man who believes that everyone is entitled to love who they want free from the judgment of their fellow man."
What he didn't say then—and what he tells me now—is: "I never went to Hillsong. I've never actually been to Hillsong. I don't know anyone from that church." Okay. Why not say that at the time?
"I'm gonna, like, throw a church under the bus?" he replies, before reconsidering. "If it's like the Westboro Baptist Church, that's different." No one's suggesting that. But he could have, ya know, read up on Hillsong. Pratt tells me he attends Zoe Church, but I'm not sure the distinction will satisfy his critics. Zoe, also popular with celebrities like Justin and Hailey Bieber, was founded by pastor Chad Veach. He executive- produced a 2017 film that equated "sexual brokenness" with "same-sex attraction." Pratt also mentions that he doesn't go to Zoe exclusively. When it came time for Lyla to be baptized, he and his wife chose a norm-y Catholic church in Santa Monica where she worshipped as a kid.