Planet is dying because of climate change and those who are supposed to be leaders who have wisened with age are busy arguing over lines on a map.
*Turns into a corn cob*This thread is an embarrassment of hot takes and is blatantly misleading. You've been duped by a Breitbart-led initiative to suggest that Schumer is negotiating wall funding with Trump, which then dumbass idiots took the right wing bait on. This is the result of someone seeing a dumbass position posted on Twitter and instead of taking 30 seconds to look for more information, head to their nearest outrage portal, and parrot the dumbass position, and then 250 replies confirming the original dumbass position. Sure, I get that it's common, nobody wants to take 30 seconds to look up something for themselves to share an intelligent thought about it... They want to confirm that Chuck Schumer is an evil secret Republican, because that's what some dumbass on Twitter said yesterday and here's the latest evidence confirming it.
On the contrary, here are the facts:
Congress passed the Homeland Security Appropriations Bill in June 2018, which allocated $1.6b towards border security, this is out of the ~$13b annual budget of Immigration and Border Patrol. Donald Trump has recently expressed that he wants the Senate to provide $5b (over 2 years) of additional funding for Trump's proposed wall. Schumer is responding that, no, the Senate will not provide any more funding above what was agreed to.
Schumer is not recommending increasing the budget to build a wall, or giving Trump $1.6b more. He is reaffirming that the budget will be what the budget agreement was when the Homeland Security Appr. Bill was passed in June 2018. This is coming up now because congress has to approve a spending package to fund the government past December 7, and Trump is pushing senate Republicans to hold up the appropriating spending unless there is an additional $5b over the next two years specifically for "The Wall."
Now, fact portion is over, but to conjecture: You might be upset that Schumer is not saying "Well, actually, we're going to give you $0 of that $1.6b and move all of that money to forgiving student loan debt." That would be an interesting position, but it's not something that Schumer -- minority leader of a party that just lost seats in the senate three weeks ago has the power to do. Legislating and governing is different than posting hot takes on videogame forums. If you want a hot take politician, you've got one in President Trump. But some politicians, sadly, have to be adults.
Please let me know if I've mistated or misunderstood anything, as I'm prone to do, and I'll update my post... much like the OP should be updated.
Whenever you read something, you should be quick to Google it before your hot take. I know it's hard, but try it. Because then you might see that the top story on this which you're about to confirm, is written by Breitbart, an alt-right neonazi endorsing website, and "THe Daily Wire" which I can only assume is some right wing bull shit website.
Check your sources folks.
Based Albatross. Great post.
This thread is an embarrassment of hot takes and is blatantly misleading. You've been duped by a Breitbart-led initiative to suggest that Schumer is negotiating wall funding with Trump, which then dumbass idiots took the right wing bait on. This is the result of someone seeing a dumbass position posted on Twitter and instead of taking 30 seconds to look for more information, head to their nearest outrage portal, and parrot the dumbass position, and then 250 replies confirming the original dumbass position. Sure, I get that it's common, nobody wants to take 30 seconds to look up something for themselves to share an intelligent thought about it... They want to confirm that Chuck Schumer is an evil secret Republican, because that's what some dumbass on Twitter said yesterday and here's the latest evidence confirming it.
On the contrary, here are the facts:
Congress passed the Homeland Security Appropriations Bill in June 2018, which allocated $1.6b towards border security, this is out of the ~$13b annual budget of Immigration and Border Patrol. Donald Trump has recently expressed that he wants the Senate to provide $5b (over 2 years) of additional funding for Trump's proposed wall. Schumer is responding that, no, the Senate will not provide any more funding above what was agreed to.
Schumer is not recommending increasing the budget to build a wall, or giving Trump $1.6b more. He is reaffirming that the budget will be what the budget agreement was when the Homeland Security Appr. Bill was passed in June 2018. This is coming up now because congress has to approve a spending package to fund the government past December 7, and Trump is pushing senate Republicans to hold up the appropriating spending unless there is an additional $5b over the next two years specifically for "The Wall."
Now, fact portion is over, but to conjecture: You might be upset that Schumer is not saying "Well, actually, we're going to give you $0 of that $1.6b and move all of that money to forgiving student loan debt." That would be an interesting position, but it's not something that Schumer -- minority leader of a party that just lost seats in the senate three weeks ago has the power to do. Legislating and governing is different than posting hot takes on videogame forums. If you want a hot take politician, you've got one in President Trump. But some politicians, sadly, have to be adults.
Please let me know if I've mistated or misunderstood anything, as I'm prone to do, and I'll update my post... much like the OP should be updated....
There is nothing "strong" about blatantly saying "we're going to shut down the government as long as possible unless our demands are satisfied"
There is nothing "clever" about saying "we're going to shut down the government as long as possible", because any sane person will call that bluff and just wait you out as public opinion starts getting aimed at your party for obstructing basic government functions for what amounts to a budget negotiation.
Sometimes it feels like y'all are acting as if our neighbors aren't being tackled and kidnapped, incarcerated and then removed from their community and families. Human rights are non-negotiable. Any institution within the government or behavior by the government that doesn't de-facto respect that, is illegitimate.
Thank you for this.This thread is an embarrassment of hot takes and is blatantly misleading. You've been duped by a Breitbart-led initiative to suggest that Schumer is negotiating wall funding with Trump, which then dumbass idiots took the right wing bait on. This is the result of someone seeing a dumbass position posted on Twitter and instead of taking 30 seconds to look for more information, head to their nearest outrage portal, and parrot the dumbass position, and then 250 replies confirming the original dumbass position. Sure, I get that it's common, nobody wants to take 30 seconds to look up something for themselves to share an intelligent thought about it... They want to confirm that Chuck Schumer is an evil secret Republican, because that's what some dumbass on Twitter said yesterday and here's the latest evidence confirming it.
On the contrary, here are the facts:
Congress passed the Homeland Security Appropriations Bill in June 2018, which allocated $1.6b towards border security, this is out of the ~$13b annual budget of Immigration and Border Patrol. Donald Trump has recently expressed that he wants the Senate to provide $5b (over 2 years) of additional funding for Trump's proposed wall. Schumer is responding that, no, the Senate will not provide any more funding above what was agreed to.
Schumer is not recommending increasing the budget to build a wall, or giving Trump $1.6b more. He is reaffirming that the budget will be what the budget agreement was when the Homeland Security Appr. Bill was passed in June 2018. This is coming up now because congress has to approve a spending package to fund the government past December 7, and Trump is pushing senate Republicans to hold up the appropriating spending unless there is an additional $5b over the next two years specifically for "The Wall."
Now, fact portion is over, but to conjecture: You might be upset that Schumer is not saying "Well, actually, we're going to give you $0 of that $1.6b and move all of that money to forgiving student loan debt." That would be an interesting position, but it's not something that Schumer -- minority leader of a party that just lost seats in the senate three weeks ago has the power to do. Legislating and governing is different than posting hot takes on videogame forums. If you want a hot take politician, you've got one in President Trump. But some politicians, sadly, have to be adults.
Please let me know if I've mistated or misunderstood anything, as I'm prone to do, and I'll update my post... much like the OP should be updated.
Whenever you read something, you should be quick to Google it before your hot take. I know it's hard, but try it. Because then you might see that the top story on this which you're about to confirm, is written by Breitbart, an alt-right neonazi endorsing website, and "THe Daily Wire" which I can only assume is some right wing bull shit website.
Followed by less blatantly hateful, but still right-wing websites (Examiner is the Right wing alt to the Washington Post, National Review is not as objectively horrible as Brietbart but has been the mainstream conservative publication of the last 60 years, and... of course... there's breitbart again):
Check your sources folks.
Well, you just took one posting this after Albatross's post.Democratic leadership in the Senate are the worst negotiators in history.
Always taking the fucking L.
Nothing happened on DACA the past 2 years because Paul Ryan killed it in the house because he could. Reid was Majority Leader under Obama.My post is independently true of that post. What happened to DACA negotiations last time? It's amazing how Democrats are held hostage by Republicans when they're both the majority and the minority.
Nothing happened on DACA the past 2 years because Paul Ryan killed it in the house because he could. Reid was Majority Leader under Obama.
Schumer sucks. Be mad at him for the things he legitimately sucks at, not the ones you're attributing to him out of laziness or a complete lack of knowledge about a subject.
No. I hate on Schumer for things that are actually worth hating on. Not for him eating crackers.
No. I hate on Schumer for things that are actually worth hating on. Not for him eating crackers.
And saying that you wont increase border security funding and will leave it steady has nothing to do with that.He sucks because his politics are in part driven by his donors.
Individual wealthy donors. Financial services. Defense. Israel lobby.
He serves them
And saying that you wont increase border security funding and will leave it steady has nothing to do with that.
You gotta be fucking kidding me. Do you have any idea what that would do? Cmon son. Some of y'all are acting as stupid as the conservative nut jobs you hate.Would love to see Oscasio or someone primary out Schumer the next time he's up.
Pelosi holds the real negotiating leverate thankfully (Assuming she isn't frozen out of being speaker). Shut down the government for 2 years if you have to- don't give the Republicans anything.
You gotta be fucking kidding me. Do you have any idea what that would do? Cmon son. Some of y'all are acting as stupid as the conservative nut jobs you hate.
You need that negotiating position to start with to get what you want in negotiations, especially when you have more leverage.
And you really think the dems should shit down the government until they get exactly what they want? And hurt millions of the people who voted for them in the process? What do you think a government shut down is, exactly? Because it feels like you don't know what happens when it shuts down.You need that negotiating position to start with to get what you want in negotiations, especially when you have more leverage.
I both sincerely appreciate the effort you have put into this post while simultaneously being aware that you are seemingly dismissing my desire to dismantle ICE and any wall-related efforts completely.
Nothing about your post changes my opinion, but I admit I know little about this Homeland Security Appropriations Bill of June 2018.
I have a question. What is the difference between the 1.6 billion dollars allocated to "border security" and the rest of the annual budget of Immigration and Border Patrol?
Doesn't Manu Raju, the person who originally tweeted this, work for CNN?This thread is an embarrassment of hot takes and is blatantly misleading. You've been duped by a Breitbart-led initiative to suggest that Schumer is negotiating wall funding with Trump, which then dumbass idiots took the right wing bait on. This is the result of someone seeing a dumbass position posted on Twitter and instead of taking 30 seconds to look for more information, head to their nearest outrage portal, and parrot the dumbass position, and then 250 replies confirming the original dumbass position. Sure, I get that it's common, nobody wants to take 30 seconds to look up something for themselves to share an intelligent thought about it... They want to confirm that Chuck Schumer is an evil secret Republican, because that's what some dumbass on Twitter said yesterday and here's the latest evidence confirming it.
On the contrary, here are the facts:
Congress passed the Homeland Security Appropriations Bill in June 2018, which allocated $1.6b towards border security, this is out of the ~$13b annual budget of Immigration and Border Patrol. Donald Trump has recently expressed that he wants the Senate to provide $5b (over 2 years) of additional funding for Trump's proposed wall. Schumer is responding that, no, the Senate will not provide any more funding above what was agreed to.
Schumer is not recommending increasing the budget to build a wall, or giving Trump $1.6b more. He is reaffirming that the budget will be what the budget agreement was when the Homeland Security Appr. Bill was passed in June 2018. This is coming up now because congress has to approve a spending package to fund the government past December 7, and Trump is pushing senate Republicans to hold up the appropriating spending unless there is an additional $5b over the next two years specifically for "The Wall."
Now, fact portion is over, but to conjecture: You might be upset that Schumer is not saying "Well, actually, we're going to give you $0 of that $1.6b and move all of that money to forgiving student loan debt." That would be an interesting position, but it's not something that Schumer -- minority leader of a party that just lost seats in the senate three weeks ago has the power to do. Legislating and governing is different than posting hot takes on videogame forums. If you want a hot take politician, you've got one in President Trump. But some politicians, sadly, have to be adults.
Please let me know if I've mistated or misunderstood anything, as I'm prone to do, and I'll update my post... much like the OP should be updated.
Whenever you read something, you should be quick to Google it before your hot take. I know it's hard, but try it. Because then you might see that the top story on this which you're about to confirm, is written by Breitbart, an alt-right neonazi endorsing website, and "THe Daily Wire" which I can only assume is some right wing bull shit website.
Followed by less blatantly hateful, but still right-wing websites (Examiner is the Right wing alt to the Washington Post, National Review is not as objectively horrible as Brietbart but has been the mainstream conservative publication of the last 60 years, and... of course... there's breitbart again):
Check your sources folks.
You need that negotiating position to start with to get what you want in negotiations, especially when you have more leverage.
Doesn't Manu Raju, the person who originally tweeted this, work for CNN?
Yeah, I saw your post. But the tweet in the OP is from a guy who works for CNN. As far as I know, no one here was using breitbart as a source. Manu Raju didn't either. He was apparently present at Schumer's presser.From my understanding, It started Monday or Tuesday with a Breitbart placed story that Schumer abandoned the left to start appropriating spending on Trump's wall:
(this screenshot was from... Wednesdya morning, so '22 Hours ago' was Tuesday afternoonish), and then Schumer got asked that at his press conference and he said no, we're not allocating any more spending than we agreed to in June 2018... and Breitbart wrote this as "A Retreat" amid a "PRogressive Backlash!"
All of the likely suspects of right wing bull shit jumped on it, and progressive sources jumped on Schumer for compromising on the Wall, something he never did.
It's all bull shit. Trump is hurting Republicans by trying to compell them to force extra spending on the Wall, an unpopular idea that is not supported by Congress either in the House or Senate, and sources like Breitbart are trying to spin it that Schumer is open to negotiating, but then he's reticent to, so if the Gov't shuts down over this (Which it likely won't), they're trying to blame Schumer and the Democrats proactively.
Though, if there's some story I missed from CNN let me know... but this has had the fingerprints of far right chicanery all over it.
This thread is proof the left can be, if not is, equally as ill-informed politically as conservatives and so easily manipulated and influenced by confirmation bias from a fucking twitter post.
Obama was a pragmatist. He tried to reach across the aisle. He nominated a moderate to replace Scalia, he included republicans in the ACA. What the hell are you talking about?Thank you The Albatross
We need to take some notes from Republicans and support our party leaders regardless of their fuck ups. We elected them, now lets stand by them. All this infighting is something only democrats do. Schummer is not the best man, but hes a good politician. Politicians by design are supposed to be cunniving little shits who are willing to put their principles aside to cut deals. Schummer is our guy. If he is working with Trump on something, lets not assume he is doing it because hes a racist like the rest of them. his job is to cut deals and he will likely get something in return for this.
The hate on these boards for pragmatists like Hillary, pelosi and Schummer is beyond me. these are politicians. Look at straight arrows like Obama. They get nothing done. The country is divided 50-50. we dont have the votes in senate and we dont have the white house. we need to let some things slide in order to get other stuff done. After all the republicans did win it all in 2016. We lost. Schummer has like no power. We also cant have four years of NO progress. Let these senators make deals and do their job.
We don't need to stand by Dems, they need to stand by us. This infighting is occurring because there are many factions under this big tent that have opposing ideals whereas the right generally have the same goals.Thank you The Albatross
We need to take some notes from Republicans and support our party leaders regardless of their fuck ups. We elected them, now lets stand by them. All this infighting is something only democrats do. Schummer is not the best man, but hes a good politician. Politicians by design are supposed to be cunniving little shits who are willing to put their principles aside to cut deals. Schummer is our guy. If he is working with Trump on something, lets not assume he is doing it because hes a racist like the rest of them. his job is to cut deals and he will likely get something in return for this.
The hate on these boards for pragmatists like Hillary, pelosi and Schummer is beyond me. these are politicians. Look at straight arrows like Obama. They get nothing done. The country is divided 50-50. we dont have the votes in senate and we dont have the white house. we need to let some things slide in order to get other stuff done. After all the republicans did win it all in 2016. We lost. Schummer has like no power. We also cant have four years of NO progress. Let these senators make deals and do their job.