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CliffyB is posting art of rejected 'Boss Key' games on Twitter
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Project pitches dont exist on a vacuum, there are others things they can invest and investors are not in "fear", they are just looking for a good ROI. Its easy to say "oh why dont they just throw money on this really cool idea i like!" when its not your money on the line.
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The idea probably was "Make a game that makes $5 Million a month, maybe acquire that in one year, use that money to make more games".
Seeing Fortnite making $50 Million a month, I don't blame his temptation to save the studio.
Totally my bad, I read only through the original Twitter threads and didn't see that. And it was crappy of me to only have said something negative. The art is honestly great. Love the dragon concepts and "Donuts" art.
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Sure the idea of making money is fine, but with so bland and uncharismatic games on a overcrowded and already dominated genres is quite complicated
Tbh I wouldn't even mind the zombie stuff since it's got the dragon/ninja spin to go with it. It looks fucking great.
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I agree about the overcrowded genre, especially when Big Publishers are going all out on Battle Royale this Fall.
Is he like, done done? You'd think he'd still want to hold on to udeas/concepts despite the studio going down.
These ideas are just that. And they were already passed on. You can come up with new ideas (even ones that riff on these or expand on them) fairly easily. Coming up with elevator pitches is probably the easiest part of the job, and id imagine publishers are inundated with them. It's a little different than just seeing them in a vacuum, out of that context, like we are now.
What a shame. I think Cliffy B has a lot more to give gamers and I really hope he finds the right situation for that to happen.
I didn't know I wanted something so badly...
Make this non-VR so more easily accessible and I would be all in, even forcing friends into it. Guns of Icarus but giant mechs? Fuckin' hell...
This E3 will be a bloodbath, and i can guess that hardly anyone will outlive PUBG and Fortnite
Both of those look cool as hell, especially the dragon game. Goddamn. Why did we get law breakers when that was just a overwatch derivative.
Dragons are cursed, Sony and lair and Microsoft with scalebound I guess.
I'm really hoping Cliffy went into these pitch meetings with a hell of a lot more than what he's showing in those tweets. Why would a publisher back any of this stuff? This reads like Molydeux's tweets with some nice concepts on top. Did he have a playable prototype or a business plan for any of these concepts? Cause it's kinda silly to get frustrated by publishers not backing your 'game ideas' when you really don't give them much confidence that you're really onto something. 'Imagine this' is the worst way you can start a pitch. Don't make me imagine something, show me what you can actually deliver - Don't show me 10 different things all at once, show me one project that you're so in love with that you've already started dabbling with a prototype that shows amazing potential and makes me confident that you can actually deliver on what you're saying you wanna do. Boss Key's hasn't existed for all that long - Why even focus on more than one or two things at once? Just stick to the best idea you have and start working that out and pitch that. A good pitch meeting should make the publisher feel like they'd be missing out big time if they're not gonna try to make a deal here. If I'd sit in a pitch meeting where the only thing I get out of it is CliffyB rambling in a 'Imagine this' style with some concept art on top, I'd send him an invoice for wasting my time. As tough as that sounds, none of you would bet your life savings on this stuff, so why would a publisher?
First off, lol at the invoice part.
Second, I don't think he's gonna give us the whole pitch of what would have been a 40 million dollar game over a couple of tweets.
Don't remind me ;_;
This news bums me out. Yet Lawbreakers and radical heights made it out first.
Evolve was still PVP. Both the hunters and the creature were player controlled.
Your behavior was shitty, he pointed it out. Then you tried to play it off like it was "all good" even though you were wrong from jump and would've known if you'd done a little research.
This isn't great either. Why would he pitch these to laymen the way he pitched to a business?
Yes. *See Kojima and MGS5 or Stig Asmussen/ Sony Santa Monica and his canned project that cost them millions.
Well color me intrigued about the dragon concept. Would have been nice to see that one developed.
Probably the same reason why companies are trying to make PUBG/Battle Royale games right now. Considering the big and fancy "In-Game" back when was OverWatch, we had lots of companies trying to make their own hero shooter. Something to which that outside of Paladins (and in some degree: Rainbow Six: Siege), I don't think many of them still have much support now.
Probably the same reason why companies are trying to make PUBG/Battle Royale games right now. Considering the big and fancy "In-Game" back when was OverWatch, we had lots of companies trying to make their own hero shooter. Something to which that outside of Paladins (and in some degree: Rainbow Six: Siege), I don't think many of them still have much support now.
Seems like it was a more realistic scope, and not being designed with VR in mind meant it had more chances at finding an audience.
He is leaving the industry for the time being.
Yeah, they should have just started to make the 40 million dollar dragon game after Lawbreakers ran its course, and their finances were running low.
you do realize he is a major factor of why Epic can be called a big Publisher right?
This is saddening that something as unique and awesome as this idea was shot down. but the same industry will just keep pumping out the same franchises over and over.
What the fuck kind of comment is this? Of course he didn't pitch it the same way as a 280 letter tweet. What are you on about?
These are all very cool ideas and art, but we've seen time and time again games drastically change from their concept art to the reality of how the game ships (remember the Destiny concept art?)
That first pitch with the dragons and samurai sounds really damn cool, but I just cannot see how a game like that can be pulled off unless it gets a fat budget and hefty development time.
That first pitch with the dragons and samurai sounds really damn cool, but I just cannot see how a game like that can be pulled off unless it gets a fat budget and hefty development time.
I dunno, I can play Skyrim on everything except my phone these days.
Its always cool to see the things creative people come up with. All are mediocre pitches/concepts and its easy to see why they were rejected.
Although MS probably should have probably funded project Donut and used some old rare IP (is there any man more perfect for a modern Conker game then Cliffy B?) and given it the chance to be their very own Mario Kart/Crash Team Racing.
The best concept in terms of ART was Rover. However it should have been a futuristic MGS/Monster Hunter hybrid or something like a Darker Co Op Horizon Zero Dawn x Gears of War.
The Dragon one sounded like Reign of Fire the game. Thats a hard pass. Ps why not pitch Dreamworls on that as a How to train your dragon game. Sure its Vikings instead of Ninjas but the gameplay would be the same and it would have a much larger potential audience as a Destiny like loot game x a pokemon style collectathon already using an established IP to help mitigate the risk of something budgeted that highly. Thats an easy sell.
Although MS probably should have probably funded project Donut and used some old rare IP (is there any man more perfect for a modern Conker game then Cliffy B?) and given it the chance to be their very own Mario Kart/Crash Team Racing.
The best concept in terms of ART was Rover. However it should have been a futuristic MGS/Monster Hunter hybrid or something like a Darker Co Op Horizon Zero Dawn x Gears of War.
The Dragon one sounded like Reign of Fire the game. Thats a hard pass. Ps why not pitch Dreamworls on that as a How to train your dragon game. Sure its Vikings instead of Ninjas but the gameplay would be the same and it would have a much larger potential audience as a Destiny like loot game x a pokemon style collectathon already using an established IP to help mitigate the risk of something budgeted that highly. Thats an easy sell.