Dude you don't even need to open the console. It right there in the back, just open the lid and change it. No tools required or anything haha
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CMOS battery issues for the PlayStation 5 tested by DoesItPlay (Better than PS4 but with caveats)
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Dude you don't even need to open the console. It right there in the back, just open the lid and change it. No tools required or anything haha
And if you're somewhere without internet? Or the certificate on your console is no longer valid so won't connect to the server? Or the server doesn't exist any more?
I'm glad this is still talked about even if i think Sony will make so that consoles won't need an internet connection to make games work with an EOL firmware on Ps4 and Ps5.
The person I quoted didn't include a bunch of what if scenarios, they made it sound like if you change the battery you can't play any games.
This entire discussion is about what happens when that server is unavailable and the CMOS battery is dead/replaced. If you weren't aware of context of this discussion then the "Does it Play" Twitter account (included in the OP) has a lot more details on the issue šš»
I asked the same thing about the Vita on the prior page (shrugs).
Just in case I needed any more reason to want nothing to do with the bullshit digital future...
From what I gathered looking around Vita hacking communities, you'd lose the ability to earn trophies and play PSM games once that happens. Normal Vita games (both physical and digital) continue working, except for PS+ rentals.
They have a capacitor which could theoretically run out and the time would be lost. Someone would have to try draining it or removing it for a moment in order to be sure how it is on Xbox. That being said, I doibt it will act like PS consoles, since that isn't the usual behavior for such things.
Shouldn't it work as usual when the old CMOS battery is dead and you put in a new one?
On Ps2 a dead CMOS battery means the clock always resets after you turn off the console and the main menu lights
stop working since they are based on the clock, but if you replace it with a new one it works as usual.
This is not true. For example, you only need a internet connection to setup the console as a new user. If you already have a account, ..., then you can save the profile on external drives and copy it over without a internet connection. It's still awful, but you don't need to be online to setup the console.
I don't think Sony ever said BC is now a standard feature for generations to come. But I do agree that PS4 and Xbox are save for a long, long time.
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People really assume that the PSN is gonna close down? Anything is possible, sure, but do y'all really think PSN is going to stop at any point soon??? Later??? Ever?
With the PS3/PSP/Vita stores leaving, did that also mean there won't be a way to sign into your account to play your games??? Because obviously you have to be signed in so the system can check and verify that it's fine for you to play the license..............................
So again, besides the fact the battery is replaceable, do people really get the impression that PSN is going away?
With the PS3/PSP/Vita stores leaving, did that also mean there won't be a way to sign into your account to play your games??? Because obviously you have to be signed in so the system can check and verify that it's fine for you to play the license..............................
So again, besides the fact the battery is replaceable, do people really get the impression that PSN is going away?
I don't understand the need for online DRM on physical games. Yes, people have been able to circumvent on-disc copy protection, but that usually comes after arbitrary root code execution. If someone can patch out the disc check, they can patch out the online check also. This just hurts preservation and legitimate consumers.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that PSN, let alone just these specific services, will not be up forever. Heck, I wouldn't feel comfortable betting on PlayStation being in business for as long as I have left to live.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that PSN, let alone just these specific services, will not be up forever. Heck, I wouldn't feel comfortable betting on PlayStation being in business for as long as I have left to live.
For a second I wondered why CMOS sensors would have anything to do with PS5. This reminded me that Complementary Metal-Oxide Semiconductors do not only apply to detection systems.
Ever? Yeah, very likely. Any time soon? Definitely not. I don't think they will go down in the next decade or two, or maybe three, but eventually, there won't be a way for PS4/5 to connect to the server it needs after replacing CMOS. I would like to see this resolved, but In the current age of backwards compatibility, wouldn't be so upset if they never do.
These servers wil a 100% go down at one point or another in our lifetime, that's just a very simple fact. If it's going to be a week, a year or a decade is up to Sony. But I think many people are forgetting that we do have a precedent for what happens in a worst case scenario with the PSN hack a decade ago during which certain games could not boot because they could not connect to a server. The PS4 is nearing the nine years, so some of these batteries will be dying any day now or are already dead. What happens if another freak outage happens?
I know this is an absolute worst case scenario, but considering we have witnessed this situation once before (and that's ignoring the many server outages of Ubisoft, Activision and others). At this point, you're guaranteed nothing.
Yeah that was my point PS3 = can play physical PS3 games, PS5 = I can play physical PS4 games lol
For as long as the legacy consoles can connect to said server, which who knows what'll happen with that.
Quite a big massive difference between Playstation Network and Playstation Store wouldn't you say?
Only the stores for PS3 and Vita are going away.
I'm as concerned about preservation as the next guy but this is the kind of conflation that just muddies the water and confuses people in thread after thread.
So PS4 is designed to be obsolete by literally bricking itself.
Wasn't Apple slapped with a class action for pumping your older iPhones with updates that worsened your experience to push you to the new phone?
So we sue?
Yes and they can be easily replaced in many of those cases.
You know what can't be easily replaced? The servers Sony run that is integral to the process.
You've really not been paying attention if you think the issue is about the bloody battery
The PS4 servers aren't going anywhere anytime soon. With native PS4 BC on the PS5, the PS4 side of PSN is safe for a good long time.
Look, I'm not trying to defend Sony here. I wish they were paying me to shill for them, but no such luck. I hate Jim Ryan's stance on backwards compatibility. I was one of those holding out hope that the PS5 would come out with BC for all past PlayStation systems. That said, I still think this issue has blown up out of proportion.
If you really do want to keep playing PS4 games 15 years from now on your old consoles, there are ways to do so. It doesn't matter if the CMOS battery is dead or not, when Sony eventually pulls the plug on the PS4 servers (which IMO, will last a lot longer than PS3 did), you can still play your games. Which is why I don't get why people are so outraged. We're talking in terms of decades here. You'll still be able to play your PS4 stuff, just not connected to official Sony servers.
No. You don't sue over some possibility of an injury down the road. Apple users sued because they claimed Apple was slowing down the devices they had in hand. They had an actual injury to claim.
Parts of intricate technology failing over time is not planned obsolescence.
so has there been any actual legislation done to address these types of end of life online software issues? I saw someone mention European consumer laws earlier, is that something that could be invoked or improved upon?
That seems like the only actual solution, since everything else seems to just rely on a for-profit private corporation doing it out of the goodness of their own heart, which obviously isn't super reliable. Seems like there should actually be a legally enforceable requirement basically saying something like "if at any point the activation servers on a piece of software are not working for X time, piracy is fine for it now, let the hackers have at it with no ip/legal repercussions", lol
That seems like the only actual solution, since everything else seems to just rely on a for-profit private corporation doing it out of the goodness of their own heart, which obviously isn't super reliable. Seems like there should actually be a legally enforceable requirement basically saying something like "if at any point the activation servers on a piece of software are not working for X time, piracy is fine for it now, let the hackers have at it with no ip/legal repercussions", lol
We do know it's possible though because custom firmware exists today that both negates DRM on the console and enables setting the internal clock without an authoritative source (ie. Sony's server), so yes as long as you aren't going to tie yourself to only using official firmware once Sony has abandoned all services on the platform then you will be able to continue using your old hardware.
Well, I guess we just discovered what's Sony's planned solution for PS4 game preservation...
... and it's probably easy to extrapolate their solution for PS5 game preservation, too.
I'm sure the whole "we have the right to revoke access at any time" in the TOS covers the legal bases.
Isn't the whole point of contention that no battery, no PS4 servers = no play?
(unless you mean you can play them on PS5 as per the OP).
Wait, really? Well I guess that's one way for Sony to ensure I never renew my PS+ subscription every again.
Well we have to trust Sony to keep the servers running or releasing a firmware update which fixes this.
They only tested 3 PS5 games. Too small of a sample size to say anything.
My SNES and games work 100% the way they did nearly 30 years ago. Even the defenders of this dumb shit would never say they expect the PS5 to work with no issues 30 years from now.
we can replace cmos on PC and it wont even ask for internet connection for the games to run. PC is completely on another level here.
I can at least understand tying PS+ games to the clock, since they're rentals. It's everything else that's baffling. On Vita, the clock killing PSM is completely dumb, but Sony already pulled a worse action regarding those.
Let's not focus on your or any one person's opinions on games as disposable media or art. This is a game preservation issue. Surely you see the value of studying history of any kind, whether it be the history of the entire world, or more discrete, abstract concepts like specific countries, even those that may no longer exist. Or the arts and media consumed by a culture in a specific period, videogames in this case. This online authentication just stands in the way of making sure these games are playable for whatever reason by interested people in the future.
Emulation is absolutely the best way to preserve videogames and RPCS3 has been making great strides on the PS3 end. But nothing is set in stone. We're still at the stage where you have to have PS3 hardware if you want to explore the library in more than superficial depth. And maybe in the future RPCS3 never gets to the point of say the Playstation or Nintendo 64 emulators where accuracy is satisfactory enough that almost all games can be played with only minor hiccups at worst (nevermind getting to the higan/bsnes level, an almost perfect digital replica of the original console. The SNES and its entire library will live on forever to be appreciated as cultural pieces and works of art of a long-gone age by future generations). In that case, and with all original hardware rendered useless by this authenticating BS, the PS3 is royally screwed.
While that's probably true under current laws, seems like that's an obvious thing that could be addressed by new legislation that better balances the needs of game preservation and accessibility in the long term with the "needs" of profits and IP rights in the short term.
In theory, some organization like the ESA would be pushing for this kind of thing (of course, that's if they actually represented the interest of video games as a cultural art form that should be preserved, and not just the interests of specific companies, but that's obviously a bigger issue)
When you install a Xbox One game for the first time on a Series X, you need an online connection for it to work.
Explanation from OscarK
So the Xbox Series X has one time DRM for disc based games? Even single player? [Answered at Threadmark]
Yeah thats why I'm hoping someone will do a test lolwww.resetera.com
Microsoft needs to fix this.
For some reason I thought that PS+ games would be unavailable after Sony shutting down the PS Store this year, not that they would become so if the clock battery died. The latter does make sense.
And yeah, RIP PSM.
At this point, should PS3/PS4 owners, go ahead and replace their cmos batteries now? Preemptively - while the servers are still hot?
Is it difficult to do?
Are there any longer-lasting/heavy duty cmos batteries for the PS3 available on the cheap?
Any recommendations?
What does the authentication process entail? Boot, connect to PSN, voila?
Is it difficult to do?
Are there any longer-lasting/heavy duty cmos batteries for the PS3 available on the cheap?
Any recommendations?
What does the authentication process entail? Boot, connect to PSN, voila?
For PS3, yes, since you have to take apart the whole PS3 to reach it.
except these systems require a PSN sign-in to authenticate and play games,,,
people are going to have to hack their systems to be able to get them to function. big difference