Not like this, Warren. If you say it's true then it's true but don't play this bullshit game it just makes you look dirty.
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CNN: Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, Bernie denies(Update: NYT & Buzzfeed Confirming)
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I think this might be it for Warren's campaign, nobody is gonna buy this bullshit and it's a terrible look
Which again, makes it seem more desperate that it's coming out now. Just bad vibes all around.
At least tell us if it's true or not.
"Dont you know warren, females obviously cant win the presidency!"
*canvasses to 39 events across the country to support the woman who(almost) won the presidency if not for electoral college*
Okay guys.
Even i who think Clinton as a terrible candidate and the worst representation for women on the dem side could have beaten trump if she had done a few things better. Theres no way sanders ever said such a thing as it is claimed.
*canvasses to 39 events across the country to support the woman who(almost) won the presidency if not for electoral college*
Okay guys.
Even i who think Clinton as a terrible candidate and the worst representation for women on the dem side could have beaten trump if she had done a few things better. Theres no way sanders ever said such a thing as it is claimed.
It's just absurdly illogical to get from 1 to 2.. not to mention Sanders' comments from the 80s about women running for president.
Warren's statement
Ah, we're back to "ITS A SMEEEAAAARRRR" against any negative story I see. It's not a "fabricated" story if he actually said it, or it was a telephone game version of a milder comment. The idea that "lying and making up stuff is ok, because obviously everyone else is doing it" is complete and total projection.
CNN gets more credibility than Shaun King because Shaun King is a grifter who's made shit up before and as a bonus, went full-on anti-semitic yesterday. It's not because he's a "Bernie Supporter", it's because he's completely untrustworthy and plays this nonexistent "anonymous source" game all the time.
Yeah, it's likely what happened. I do see Bernie being blunt about that and thinking he would be the "safest" choice for the left in 2020. And Warren really didn't appreciate that.
He very likely didn't say "a woman can't win" because that's clearly also what he doesn't believe , but he also very likely tried to argue to Warren that her gender was going to make it more difficult.
Seems like he should have asked a male candidate to run against Clinton then if he was so sure a woman couldn't become president
He pissed her off, they leaked it to the press as oppo dumpo
Good to see a response from Warren, shame it took so long.
There's barely any context given about the conversation and now Warren doesn't want to talk about it anymore. She just wants to move on and let people fall for something clearly unsubstantiated for political benefit, especially when there is so much that proves the contrary
Hmm. That is pretty fair, you're right I guess, lol.
Hillary strikes again! Lol.
Pretty weak-ass response and still directly contradicts Sanders's rejection. The accusation is still the same, she just wants it out there while she gets to wash her hands of it.
And if he did actually say it? I'm going to vote for him in NY when the time comes, but this is the kinda thing I want to know about beforehand. It's easy to say the right thing in public. It's what you say when no one's looking that matters.
Do I think it got garbled in the telling? Yeah, it probably did. Do I know Bernie's said some not great stuff over the years? Yeah, he definitely has. No one's perfect. Politicians especially. They all suck, it's just a matter of how much and what you can live with to advance your goals.
I think people are definitely too ready to go to bat for Bernie, and the gender of the sources isn't so much my concern so much as how people are characterizing Warren. You act like this is clear cut, but the fact that Bernie is a man and Warren is a woman is definitely at play here because the issue is about sexism to begin with. And you can't claim that no one is saying that people aren't making statements on Warren herself's character when this page has people arguing she's taking advice from Hillary's playbook, amidst a litany of other accusations.
well I guess that's the end of that. Bernie says it didn't happen and Warren says it did. I guess we're done here
Warren is very deliberately leaving the exact wording of whatever Bernie is claimed to say in people's imaginations for her own political benefit, which of course every liberal here will continue to be happy to do.
Once again, think of the interested parties that benefit from conflict between Warren and Sanders here, and think if you really want to be helping them. That's all there really is to say. The timing of this is everything.
Once again, think of the interested parties that benefit from conflict between Warren and Sanders here, and think if you really want to be helping them. That's all there really is to say. The timing of this is everything.
i simply don't believe that sanders straight up said he didn't think a woman could win
i would absolutely believe that he would say she'd have an uphill battle and that there would be loads of weaponized misogyny in the race
i would absolutely believe that he would say she'd have an uphill battle and that there would be loads of weaponized misogyny in the race
Damn. That's depressing to read but not shocking :(
As opposed to saying "Sanders is right, I'm so sorry"?
Do you really just think she would reply "this is a lie"? Did you actually think it was impossible for this conversation to have happened?
I really don't buy that he said this and I think the fact that she's doubling down when the truth is probably more along the lines of "it's going to be hard for a woman to win given the sexism in politics" is pretty lame. Bernie literally asked for her to run in 2016, he campaigned for Clinton hard in 2016, it's just patently untrue that he thought a woman couldn't be president by his own words and actions.
yeah, this might be the work of a few rogue staffers. hard to tell.
Everyone: "I don't believe it but I'll wait for Warren to reply"
After Warren says it's what he said
"Ok I still don't believe it because it's not what Sanders said!"
After Warren says it's what he said
"Ok I still don't believe it because it's not what Sanders said!"
I'm more inclined to believe what a woman said about sexist comments than a man. Call me foolish for that if you want, but she said it happened, he didn't. That's the end of that.
You have plenty of audio visual evidence of Bernie defending the possibilities of a woman winning the presidency. This is ultimately a me vs you. Bernie has the evidence to back up this is not a position he has held ever. Warren only has her word and her current position at polls.
People aren't dumb and will see through this. Her team fucked up.
People aren't dumb and will see through this. Her team fucked up.
Save us the concern trolling. You were chomping at the bit for something like this
Maybe Warren's moved on from that moment and someone leaking that opened it up again and aired it out for all to see when she'd rather be focusing on more pressing matters.
Women really like to be told what they can't do. especially liberal women.
It'd be nice to have some context to what was said. Its shitty he said a woman couldn't win, idk why he would say that to her after begging her to run for 16 unless he felt Hilary was evidence it couldn't happen and if thats the case thats fucking stupid as fuck.
...So we're just not getting any context for what exactly he actually said....oh boy.
My guess is staffers desperately threw that out there so the media could eat it up and of course Warren isnt going to elaborate further on private conversations....
People are just going to move to their corners without any further info. Sounds like a slow news day to me
Him saying something on television is not in any way evidence of what he might say in private.
Like I said in the other thread... I've met so many 'liberals' who legitimately think that "we need a white man to beat trump in 2020, sorry there are too many racists to take the risk."
What does campaigning for someone and asking another to run (before Trump won) have to do with a post-Trump election bit of punditry? So you'd rather believe that Warren is a cynical liar? Costs her nothing to just be like "not true." Costs Bernie a lot to be like, "yeah, I said it."
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