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CNN: Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, Bernie denies(Update: NYT & Buzzfeed Confirming)
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I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie did say this because he's out of touch with reality. I still think Warren is the best candidate and really hope she ends up getting the nomination. I don't want Bernie to get the nomination because if he does than the democrats are setting themselves up for failure.
If Warren isn't slamming the gas pedal on this, does it have to mean something sinister on Bernie's end? My takeaway is Bernie thought a woman would lose in the general election against Trump, which speaks less to a woman's skill and more the voters. If Warren really wanted to she could have gone in on him but she didn't.
It would be a shitty thing of him to say but I'm really not sure where this is going for either of them.
Why is everyone asking for context?
What context do you need for "if a women was nominated she wouldn't win because she's a women"
rofl
What context do you need for "if a women was nominated she wouldn't win because she's a women"
rofl
Please tell me in what context it's OK for Bernie to say that to a Female Presidential Candidate's face?
It's pointless to speculate my feelings on it without knowing the content and context of what he said. What he's said in the past in relation to women running for president and the fact that he tried to get Warren to run in 2016 makes me think that what he actually said wasn't rooted in sexism. But we'll see I suppose.
Sanders will be asked again, and will deny (probably more aggressively) again. Warren refusing to back down from the central claim will continue to be an elephant in the room. She had a chance to make it clear whether or not she was standing by the essential thrust of the story, and she fumbled that chance badly.
I would be baffled if she hadn't been displaying awful political instincts for the entire campaign so far.
I would be baffled if she hadn't been displaying awful political instincts for the entire campaign so far.
"Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed."
That's more of a confirmation than I thought we'd get. Wow.
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Not buying this head cannon regarding someone who pushed for warren to run just last election (and only entered the race after she didn't)
Then why didn't she release a statement before the news cycle ran this story without response from her?
It looks exceedingly desperate given how cordial they've been toward each other so far. This is Warren's last chance to make an impact, because if she loses Iowa and NH, then that's basically a wrap on her campaign.
Also:
If he denies it, he's calling her a liar.
If he admits it, he's going to reinforce a lot of negative opinions on him.
There is no good play for him here, and he is not going to come out the winner in this.
'condescendingly wagged his finger' = "we've had enough of your emails", and "you took goldman sachs money"?
And there are plenty of low information voters out there who dont know anything about the candidates record. Its not racist to say such a thing about people in the south whether they are republican or democrat.
This is exactly the type of bullshit that intentionally leaving out the details lets useful idiots fill in their anti-Bernie imaginations on him being any type of bigot people have already concocted him to be.
We know Bernie tried to get Warren to run for President in '16. We know he's advocated a woman running for President publicly going back decades. He campaigned harder than Hillary did for her own campaign and she won the most votes. Warren and Sanders have been friends for years. This incident itself is alleged to have happened in a private dinner with Warren herself which is a hilariously bizarre place for Bernie to suddenly turn into Archie Bunker.
If you buy into this you're buying into some pissed off staffer leaking sensationalist garbage to corporate media who are drooling at the chance to have these two take themselves down in favor of someone more palatable to corporate interests. Seriously, everyone here should be smarter than this.
It doesn't make sense that he'd want to split off educated women voters from Clinton before consolidating them in 2016, but doesn't have that same issue this go around? And the timeline is well different.
Bernie would've (rightly, in your estimation) told Obama not to run in 2008 because a black man can't win either, then?
Yeah, I'm guessing someone that worked for her was trying to start shit, remembered they heard Warren say something years ago and leaked it, even though Warren likely said, "This is just between us, don't' tell this to anybody else.". If I was Warren, I'd be pissed. It's like, "Goddammit, why'd y'all have to do that, now? You know how the people are going to react to this?! I bet you they are going to start taking sides and try to eat each other alive like if they were trapped in that grocery store from The Mist!"
Cool. So exactly like I thought it happened yet people want to post Bernie visiting a 3rd grade class in 1987.
Stan culture is the death of nuance. You can support an imperfect candidate everyone. No need to bend over backwards to defend every misstep. Bernie had a nihilistic take. The world will continue to turn.
Even then not really because hilary got 2 million + more votes.
Come again?
To the people claiming Warren's story is "wishy-washy" can y'all read, or.....?
She directly says the story is true in the sentence:
If anything, she went OUT OF HER WAY to bury her confirmation of the story within a paragraph of text, and immediately follow it with, "can we just move on?"
She seems like she doesn't like the fact that this leaked, and was stuck in a really awkward position of lying to the public (which hurts her campaign), or hurting a friendship she fostered over the years (which could also hurt her campaign).
Anyone who thinks this leak came DIRECTLY from Warren is missing a few screws. This only hurts her and Bernie, with this depiction of infighting. This was likely leaked by a bitter Warren staffer, who doesn't like that Sanders is beating her in the polls. That staffer is an idiot, as this move only hurts them both.
She directly says the story is true in the sentence:
If anything, she went OUT OF HER WAY to bury her confirmation of the story within a paragraph of text, and immediately follow it with, "can we just move on?"
She seems like she doesn't like the fact that this leaked, and was stuck in a really awkward position of lying to the public (which hurts her campaign), or hurting a friendship she fostered over the years (which could also hurt her campaign).
Anyone who thinks this leak came DIRECTLY from Warren is missing a few screws. This only hurts her and Bernie, with this depiction of infighting. This was likely leaked by a bitter Warren staffer, who doesn't like that Sanders is beating her in the polls. That staffer is an idiot, as this move only hurts them both.
Yup
I mean, Bernie is a man who doesn't stop fighting for something just because he believe it's impossible in the short term.
That's, i think, a major point of why so many of us really admire him.
I mean, that's part of the liberal bedwetting... that only a white man can win the electoral college from Trump, because of rural states.
One thing that's been obvious to me in observing Bernie is that for him, social justice is a byproduct of economic justice. He has a real blind spot for saying that fixing the economy will lead to everything else getting better, and eventually fixed. Sure, he has plans, etc, but when you really hear him speak off the cuff, you get that sense. So it doesn't surprise me that he would put a pundit hat on, and say something insensitive like this off the cuff.
Great, so she didn't explain any of the context and effectively doubled down. Now we get to have fun with He said She said bullshit. Thanks Warren. Thanks for trying to derail the left with your campaign's last gasp smear tactic. I've lost a lot of respect for her today.
I don't think it's going to work.
He already denied it long before she contradicted him.
I think you can absolutely have a conversation about a shitty American mindset against women, that maybe broadly sexism is so ingrained someone could think we aren't there yet and lament that fact. However, I don't want to think based on nothing that Warren is going to deliberately hide that context.
I have no fucking idea, guy. It's frustrating that this is all she has to say about it. Not sure why you're so content w/ having so little information
He's a Democrat when it's politically convenient.
that does not give me a positive opinion of his steadfastness in the face of personal challenge
Right, but it goes against the idea and character most people have of Bernie. As I said, Warren has made this into a "either you believe me or you believe him" thing. And people will draw a line on that. Either Sanders is a sexist liar or Warren is a manipulating liar.
Anyway, just prepare to vote for Joe Biden in November.
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