Nobody but the hard corest always online progressives will remember this even happened by the weekend, and they are like not any significant total of voters, if they even vote at all.
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CNN: Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, Bernie denies(Update: NYT & Buzzfeed Confirming)
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yeah im thinking the person who first said 'believe women' meant to insinuate that women politicians are above the capacity to misrepresent things
A woman had a secret personal slight, you find out but she tells you to drop the issue. do you:
A) Tell her she's liar and ask for proof
B) Tell her you know better and keep digging
A) Tell her she's liar and ask for proof
B) Tell her you know better and keep digging
lmao isn't this maxim intended for rape and sexual assault? Damn, dude.
Dude stop! Bernie has a LOOOONG of putting his foot in his mouth even when he has the best of intentions. The fact that you're attacking Warren over this is fucking shameful. If Biden has said this you would slamming him left right and center.
It's extremely possible (and probably likely) that Warren both heard Bernie say he didn't think a women could beat Trump in 2020, and Bernie didn't actually say that.
Bernie probably expressed concerns about what a woman would face, Warren took that to mean a woman couldn't win, though he didn't mean to imply that.
I highly doubt either is lying.
Bernie probably expressed concerns about what a woman would face, Warren took that to mean a woman couldn't win, though he didn't mean to imply that.
I highly doubt either is lying.
Spoiler: They were always Bernie or Bust. Anything they claim makes them that way is pretext for something they already wanted to do anyway.
It's because she's implying he's a sexist. How is that not implying exactly that? If she doesn't want to imply that, then she needs to elaborate on the exact phrasing used in that conversation. Because this "I'd rather not talk about it" shit is not helping ANYONE move past these questions still remaining.
Did you even read the last line of my post, or.....?
Does US political discourse turn people's brain to mush or something?
Gotta love how this has a chance of sticking a candidate with the sexist label while Biden stumbles into the white house like mr bean
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Just because Bernie wanted Hilary to beat trump and wanted Warren to run doesn't mean he's always thought they had a solid chance of winning. Wanting someone to win and believing they can are different things.
I could've predicted this would've happened about something at some point
Sorry, I just meant to imply that nobody's asking for Bernie to clarify his statements, since it sticks out even more as the only denial in this whole saga.
Confirming the rumor and then refusing to give further context under the guise that she wishes to rise above it.
Okay, Jan
Okay, Jan
well thank God Bernie's supporters aren't notably loyal to him, then
I don't know why people are acting like there's no room between "Bernie suggested that the American voting public is sexist and would vote accordingly" to "BERNIE SAID WOMEN SHOULDNT BE PRESIDENTTTDSSSJFJEIDJ!!! Fuck him!"
listen we should believe Warren's refusal to disavow sexist characterizations of Sanders's comments is coming from a place of good faith and honesty but also nobody is going to remember this embarrassingly mishandled dustup so let's just move on -nervous laughter-
There's so much context left out of this conversation between the two of them that I just can't help but feel like the original leak was purposefully weaponized to hurt Bernie by a few rogue Warren staffers. For all we know, Bernie was expressing that America's collective misogyny hurt Hillary in the 2016 election and will hurt another woman candidate running against Trump in 2020, which I happen to agree with and I know I'm not alone on this because it's been said countless times on this site.
If the conversation didn't go that way at all and it involved misogyny on Bernie's part, I'd hope Warren would bring that to light now that this is out there. Either way, her response feels insufficient to me because a lot of people are going to assume the worst version of this conversation and others will defend him without the necessary context to know if what he said was appropriate. Now that it's out there, voters deserve to know how Bernie really feels about this and she's the only one that can provide that clarity. I would hate for this to create more space for someone like Biden to become the nominee.
If the conversation didn't go that way at all and it involved misogyny on Bernie's part, I'd hope Warren would bring that to light now that this is out there. Either way, her response feels insufficient to me because a lot of people are going to assume the worst version of this conversation and others will defend him without the necessary context to know if what he said was appropriate. Now that it's out there, voters deserve to know how Bernie really feels about this and she's the only one that can provide that clarity. I would hate for this to create more space for someone like Biden to become the nominee.
Boy that's some really bad journalism and logic in terms of "it's not real because nobody was in the room... just people who directly talked to her".
Also it's out of date because Warren responded and said it happened lol
How about calling out sexism with feminist movement lingo?
I'm 90% sure it's the first option you gave. It's still a dumb insensitive thing to a woman that's probably been talking to you about running for president.
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If I were attacking Warren, I'd bring up the fact that she's a white woman that lied about her heritage to advance her career and proceeded to plagiarized Native American recipes in a cookbook. But I'm not going to do that because that'd be an unnecessary low blow.
Trying to pretend this doesnt have anything to do with gender discrimination and that its in no way linked is just making yourself look ridiculous.
Its a link. A direct one. You don't have to like it, but its true. And trying to deny it just makes you look really bad.
Yeah with Warren saying it happened it sort of breaks this all up. Doesn't work anymore. I still think its out of context more than likely, but I truly don't know with her saying it happened. She could mean it was said but within the context it wasnt meant that way, or maybe she is being frank and it did get said. In any case I still think this entire conversation does nothing but hurt us. So fucking drop it.
"Bernie and I great friends and allies, and he's a big ol' sexist."
Feels like you gotta pick one side or the other of that message.
Feels like you gotta pick one side or the other of that message.
But heres some perspective y'all. In the end, this is possibly something Warren and Bernie had a disagreement over long ago and decided to put it aside. Maybe this is a leak to get us to rip each other apart for no good fucking reason?
In the end, both Warren and Bernie are the best candidates on stage.
In the end, both Warren and Bernie are the best candidates on stage.
Oh absolutely. I could buy that he said something about women and elections, and then the game of Disingenuous Telephone happened.
Uh huh, cause refuting the characterization of said conversation is lying....
It kinda reminds me of "the whistleblower wasn't even on the call" nnn
Are you trying to suggest that Warren is some sort of victim here, or that Bernie is actually a sexist or misogynist? Because neither of those things are accurate.
Yea. It's a popularity contest between politicians for a chance to get the most powerful job in the world. It hardly fits here and if anything, it's insulting to victims of sexual abuse and harassment.
Uh huh. Just don't get all ass bent the next time someone compares Bernie supporters to Trump Supporters. Because you're doing a hell of a impression right now
Imagine telling a female coworker that you don't think management will promote a woman to the position you're both going for
If you're telling a woman she won't win an election because she's a woman, you might be a sexist.
The point is that it is only a smear if you don't believe women, so...
lol what?
"I'm sorry but this inconclusive story means that if Sanders doesn't earn the nom then I'll help Trump win."
Yep, fuck all that. We got more important shit to worry about.
Those people were already Bernie or Bust, they are the 25% who didn't vote for Hillary and wouldn't vote for anyone but Bernie
Well Bernie is still a bad candidate and always has been
Yes, that is a distinct possibility.
But someone has to be the monster in any disagreement, so.....
But the clear "context" is in the statement itself. He doesn't think a woman could win [the 2020 US presidential elections]. He didn't say a woman is inferior or anything. And she doesn't come close to imply that.
This seems very on brand for Bernie, a man with chronic foot-in-mouth syndrome. He spoke his mind candidly, about the chance of a woman in 2020 (which is definitely going to be harder in this current climate), and it probably irritated Warren.
She privately vented to her staffer, who, like a dumbass, leaked it to the press. I don't understand how people are struggling with this story at all.
Oh sorry. Thought you were trying to point something out to me, and not adding to my comment. My apologies.
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