Where are all the right-wing "First they came for the ___, but I did nothing" types who get outraged at anything that threatens their peaches?
Erica Werner (@ericawerner)
Pelosi said she'll ask faith-based/evangelical groups to appeal to president to stop ICE raids. "They put him in office.
I guess so, how petty and it just seems so stupid.. Asshats.
Would this warning be a net benefit to the people targeted though? At least maybe they have time to get out of town or plan to be somewhere else this weekend?
ICE themselves even think talking about it is dumb. From the article:
Last Monday, when President Trump tweeted that his Administration would stage nationwide immigration raids the following week, with the goal of deporting "millions of illegal aliens," agents at Immigration and Customs Enforcement were suddenly forced to scramble. The agency was not ready to carry out such a large operation. Preparations that would typically take field officers six to eight weeks were compressed into a few days, and, because of Trump's tweet, the officers would be entering communities that now knew they were coming. "It was a dumb-shit political move that will only hurt the agents," John Amaya, a former deputy chief of staff at ICE, told me. On Saturday, hours before the operation was supposed to start in ten major cities across the country, the President changed course, delaying it for another two weeks.
On Sunday, I spoke to an ICE officer about the week's events. "Almost nobody was looking forward to this operation," the officer said. "It was a boondoggle, a nightmare." Even on the eve of the operation, many of the most important details remained unresolved. "This was a family op. So where are we going to put the families? There's no room to detain them, so are we going to put them in hotels?" the officer said. On Friday, an answer came down from ICE leadership: the families would be placed in hotels while ICE figured out what to do with them. That, in turn, raised other questions. "So the families are in hotels, but who's going to watch them?" the officer continued. "What happens if the person we arrest has a U.S.-citizen child? What do we do with the children? Do we need to get booster seats for the vans? Should we get the kids toys to play with?" Trump's tweet broadcasting the operation had also created a safety issue for the officers involved. "No police agency goes out and says, 'Tomorrow, between four and eight, we're going to be in these neighborhoods,' " the officer said.
From the start, however, the plan faced resistance. The Secretary of D.H.S., Kirstjen Nielsen, argued that the arrests would be complicated to carry out, in part because American children would be involved. (Many were born in the U.S. to parents on the "target list.") Resources were already limited, and an operation on this scale would divert attention from the border, where a humanitarian crisis was worsening by the day. The acting head of ICE, Ron Vitiello, a tough-minded former Border Patrol officer, shared Nielsen's concerns. According to the Washington Post, these reservations weren't "ethical" so much as logistical: executing such a vast operation would be extremely difficult, with multiple moving pieces, and the optics could be devastating. Four months later, Trump effectively fired them. Vitiello's replacement at ICE, an official named Mark Morgan—who's already been fired once by Trump and regained the President's support after making a series of appearances on Fox News—subsequently announced that ICE would proceed with the operation.
Late last week, factions within the Administration clashed over what to do. The acting secretary of D.H.S., Kevin McAleenan, urged caution, claiming that the operation was a distraction and a waste of manpower. Among other things, a $4.5 billion funding bill to supply further humanitarian aid at the border has been held up because Democrats worried that the Administration would use the money for enforcement operations. McAleenan had been meeting with members of both parties on the Hill, and there appeared to be signs of progress, before the President announced the ICE crackdown. According to an Administration official, McAleenan argued that the operation would also threaten a string of recent gains made by the President. The Trump Administration had just secured a deal with the Mexican government to increase enforcement at the Guatemalan border, and it expanded a massive new program called Remain in Mexico, which has forced some ten thousand asylum seekers to wait indefinitely in northern Mexico. "Momentum was moving in the right direction," the official said.
President Obama was never popular among ICE's rank and file, but the detailed list of enforcement priorities he instituted, in 2014, which many in the agency initially resented as micromanagement, now seemed more sensible—and even preferable to the current state of affairs. The ICE officer said, "One person told me, 'I never thought I'd say this, but I miss the Obama rules. We removed more people with the rules we had in place than with all this. It was much easier when we had the priorities. It was cleaner.' " Since the creation of ICE, in 2003, enforcement was premised on the idea that officers would primarily go after criminals for deportation; Trump, who views ICE as a political tool to showcase his toughness, has abandoned that framework entirely. "I don't even know what we're doing now," the officer said. "A lot of us see the photos of the kids at the border, and we're wondering, 'What the hell is going on?' " The influx of Central American migrants, the officer noted, has been an issue for more than a decade now, spanning three Presidential administrations. "No one built up the infrastructure to handle this, and now people are suffering at the border for it. They keep saying they were caught flat footed. That's a bald-faced fucking lie."
The New York Times first reported on the raids, saying they are expected to take place in at least 10 cities, will occur "over multiple days" and will include "collateral" deportations in which "authorities might detain immigrants who happened to be on the scene, even though they were not targets of the raids."
Collateral deportations
wtf
They have a list of people they're going to look for, what they're saying here is that if there are other undocumented people on the scene, they can be taken into custody too.
If you are not white and ICE sees you on the way to deportation raids, you are prolly getting detained.
Peaches only applies to white people. Doncha know!? >.>Where are all the right-wing "First they came for the ___, but I did nothing" types who get outraged at anything that threatens their peaches?
Yeah no one is claiming this. The bottom line is they can't get Trump out of office with impeachment. I really don't understand what people here expect democrats to do. Do you all not understand how the government works?They're playing 4d chess you see, any moment now they're going to come and save the day.
Pelosi and co are wicked smaht.
I don't think so.Trump is going to back down at the last second just like he did two weeks ago.
Yeah no one is claiming this. The bottom line is they can't get Trump out of office with impeachment. I really don't understand what people here expect democrats to do. Do you all not understand how the government works?
With a court order? It means they don't have to knock and can kick down the door.what does it mean when there is a court order for someone be removed from the country?
i want to ask are people against sending back people that are here illegally or against groups like ICE or the border patrol agents? I'm curious because it seems like its the former and it kind of confuses me because its breaking the law. or maybe is it the way it's handled? I'm genuinely asking not looking for the type of snarky replies that might insinuate I'm a troll or something.
This is what they announced a couple weeks ago and got postponed, correct?
(Which itself was probably a deliberate mind game too)
Edit: yep
And it would change absolutely nothing. I'm wondering what power people think the democrats have that allow them to 'save the day' here. Citizens have to vote Trump out or give the democrats the Senate, until that happens the dems have few cards to play.If the government was working as it should, the Dems would be impeaching Trump.
The inability to remove Trump from office does not abdicate them from the necessity of impeaching him.
Erica Werner (@ericawerner)
Pelosi said she'll ask faith-based/evangelical groups to appeal to president to stop ICE raids. "They put him in office.
Big difference between ICE and border security.i want to ask are people against sending back people that are here illegally or against groups like ICE or the border patrol agents? I'm curious because it seems like its the former and it kind of confuses me because its breaking the law. or maybe is it the way it's handled? I'm genuinely asking not looking for the type of snarky replies that might insinuate I'm a troll or something.
Imagine thousands of families live streaming ICE rounding people up. I'd like to see the "moderates" excuse for turning their heads to ignore it.Get cameras out there Dems, record it all, crying children, and plaster that shit all over the airwaves in 2020. Yes I know that will just turn on the deplorables but the moderates might actually feel something. Possibly.
Erica Werner (@ericawerner)
Pelosi said she'll ask faith-based/evangelical groups to appeal to president to stop ICE raids. "They put him in office.
And it would change absolutely nothing. I'm wondering what power people think the democrats have that allow them to 'save the day' here. Citizens have to vote Trump out or give the democrats the Senate, until that happens the dems have few cards to play.
How about the fact that it is being done by the Trump administration that already has a history of atrocities regarding immigration, and has shown time and time again that it has nothing to do with having illegals in this country and all to do with racism as they have to make up shit like immigrants are coming in hordes despite illegal immigration being down, or that immigrants are going to kill you, despite it being an extremely rare occurrence.i want to ask are people against sending back people that are here illegally or against groups like ICE or the border patrol agents? I'm curious because it seems like its the former and it kind of confuses me because its breaking the law. or maybe is it the way it's handled? I'm genuinely asking not looking for the type of snarky replies that might insinuate I'm a troll or something.
"Oh I didn't see that. I don't pay attention to politics...Imagine thousands of families live streaming ICE rounding people up. I'd like to see the "moderates" excuse for turning their heads to ignore it.
oh ok i get that. so it sounds like its mostly in how these situations are handled. it's pretty messed up. have had only 1 instance where i've been stopped and asked to show iD by undercover cops but i can see how having that happen continuously can be troublesome.Big difference between ICE and border security.
I don't believe the US needs a force that goes around the country stopping people and asking them to show their papers, the US never really had that, and trust me, you really don't want to live in a country where you need to show your papers, even if you are a natural born citizen of that country.
Ask yourself that, right now, with what you have on your person, can you prove you're an American citizen?
You want to try that at 5am when 10 people with guns shouting at you?
p.s.
if you're not worried about ICE stopping you and asking for your papers, you need to ask yourself why.
Erica Werner (@ericawerner)
Pelosi said she'll ask faith-based/evangelical groups to appeal to president to stop ICE raids. "They put him in office.
And it would change absolutely nothing. I'm wondering what power people think the democrats have that allow them to 'save the day' here. Citizens have to vote Trump out or give the democrats the Senate, until that happens the dems have few cards to play.
All the people cheering this sure are going to be surprised when grocery prices go up and places can't find White workers to do jobs they would never want their own children to do. But yay, racism!
But how else can they be handled?oh ok i get that. so it sounds like its mostly in how these situations are handled. it's pretty messed up. have had only 1 instance where i've been stopped and asked to show iD by undercover cops but i can see how having that happen continuously can be troublesome.
oh ok i get that. so it sounds like its mostly in how these situations are handled. it's pretty messed up. have had only 1 instance where i've been stopped and asked to show iD by undercover cops but i can see how having that happen continuously can be troublesome.
Oh for sure. The system would have to adjust and people would find themselves questioning The Conservative viewpoints if all of a sudden there was no exploitation of immigrants, is the point. I'm not cheering on said exploitation. It's messed up. I'm just pointing out that one of the major factors of keeping the Conservative movement strong, cheap labor and doing jobs nobody wants to do for a few bucks, would be gone if Republicans actually went through with this. It's like they are shooting themselves in the foot but they can't help it because, racism.Isn't it terrible that people need to be exploited for prices to be stable? I never understood when the left makes the pro-immigration argument from the right because if the immigrants get citizenship and have more opportunities in life other than being paid peanuts for back breaking jobs what you talk about is also going to happen,
The fear of there no longer being an underclass that can be readily exploited by unscrupulous businesses shouldn't be what drives leftists to be pro-immigration.
Laws can sometimes suck. And people need to disobey bad laws.i want to ask are people against sending back people that are here illegally or against groups like ICE or the border patrol agents? I'm curious because it seems like its the former and it kind of confuses me because its breaking the law. or maybe is it the way it's handled? I'm genuinely asking not looking for the type of snarky replies that might insinuate I'm a troll or something.
yea i hate that these types of operations are being done under this specific administration because however bad it could be it'll be worse under trump. never thought about the fact that in 2019 multiple generations are born here and parents of legal children could be taken away. thanks for enlightening me on the subject.How about the fact that it is being done by the Trump administration that already has a history of atrocities regarding immigration, and has shown time and time again that it has nothing to do with having illegals in this country and all to do with racism as they have to make up shit like immigrants are coming in hordes despite illegal immigration being down, or that immigrants are going to kill you, despite it being an extremely rare occurrence.
Or how about the mass deportation is not a good approach to taking care of the immigration problem. These people are a part of this country and this economy whether racists like it or not and if every single illegal immigrant was deported tomorrow the economy would take a spin. Or how about the fact that many of these people have lived in this country for decades and have family here, and it's inhumane and cruel to send them back at this point. But hey, cruelty is the point.
i want to ask are people against sending back people that are here illegally or against groups like ICE or the border patrol agents? I'm curious because it seems like its the former and it kind of confuses me because its breaking the law. or maybe is it the way it's handled? I'm genuinely asking not looking for the type of snarky replies that might insinuate I'm a troll or something.
Yes, the same way people are arrested with a warrant signed by a judge. People living with someone like that aren't asked to prove they haven't broken the law or rounded up along with the person on the warrant.But how else can they be handled?
You can either ask for papers or just round up brown people.
And mind you, it's kinda both, because they can shout all they want that they aren't racists, but most people don't carry passports with them, and if ICE really "don't see race" you'd have a lot of white people in custody calling their families asking if they can find their birth certificate.
Am I missing a third option here?
yea i should have used a better word, i was trying to say that it is bad now and i hope it doesn't get worse because i know it can, specially under the current political climate and not just in the U.S.Repeatedly being treated like a second-class citizen and being asked to justify your continued existence in the country is a little more than "troublesome."
The thing is, there is a reason that the immigration problem hasn't been solved, and that's because there isn't a good solution, and mass deportation would hurt the Republicans. It's just that Trump is too stupid he doesn't actually understand why Conservatives actually do want cheap labor to stick around. If Trump thinks the minimum wage will ever be lowered so that Zach Smith is making $4 picking lettuce, he's insane, and Republicans like McConnell know this.yea i hate that these types of operations are being done under this specific administration because however bad it could be it'll be worse under trump. never thought about the fact that in 2019 multiple generations are born here and parents of legal children could be taken away. thanks for enlightening me on the subject.
ICE is an executive branch agency.